WA - Civil rights activist Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black, parents say #1

[katydid23]

I heard one woman on a call in talk show, on KFI radio today, that was very angry. She is a black activist. And she said it is nice that Rachel did so much work for civill rights etc. But it really angered this woman that Rachel lied and took on the 'mask' of being African American, and spoke for black women, in her role as head of the local NAACP. That is going too far, according to this woman. She felt like Rachel was usurping the role of a black woman and taking her voice away from her, and speaking out in a false voice, about something she really does not know anything about.

Especially if you add in the possibly false 'hate crimes' she claimed she was the victim of. :facepalm:

 

[Nova]

I'm not that cynical. Without a strong interest in black culture, I doubt she would have applied to Howard in the first place. (Not that it isn't an excellent school. I believe it is, and white students do go there as well. But it isn't convenient to her home or the only choice for a white girl in need of financial aid.)

As I'm sure you know, Katy, adolescence is a time for defining one's identity. Adding four African-Americans to the home during her teen years may well have had an effect. (And not a bad one. The issue is what she proceeded to do with that influence.)

But my original point wasn't that she was somehow forced to "go black", but that her choice of ethnicity wasn't random, as was claimed in another poster's hypothetical example.

 

[Nova]

I heard one woman on a call in talk show, on KFI radio today, that was very angry. She is a black activist. And she said it is nice that Rachel did so much work for civill rights etc. But it really angered this woman that Rachel lied and took on the 'mask' of being African American, and spoke for black women, in her role as head of the local NAACP. That is going too far, according to this woman. She felt like Rachel was usurping the role of a black woman and taking her voice away from her, and speaking out in a false voice, about something she really does not know anything about.

Especially if you add in the possibly false 'hate crimes' she claimed she was the victim of. :facepalm:

I didn't hear it, Katy, but thanks for the summary. I think the black activist's words are directly on point.

Some African-Americans complain, with considerable justification IMO, that they are more talked about than talked with. It's only natural to resent a white woman who usurps some of the few opportunities for black people to speak for themselves.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not that cynical. Without a strong interest in black culture, I doubt she would have applied to Howard in the first place. (Not that it isn't an excellent school. I believe it is, and white students do go there as well. But it isn't convenient to her home or the only choice for a white girl in need of financial aid.)

As I'm sure you know, Katy, adolescence is a time for defining one's identity. Adding four African-Americans to the home during her teen years may well have had an effect. (And not a bad one. The issue is what she proceeded to do with that influence.)

But my original point wasn't that she was somehow forced to "go black", but that her choice of ethnicity wasn't random, as was claimed in another poster's hypothetical example.

All of the above is true. But Nova, I do have to laugh a bit at this statement:

"...but that her choice of ethnicity wasn't random,..."


Since when do we get to choose our ethnicity. LOL If your parents are white, then you are white. Sorry. LOL :slap:

 

[katydid23]

I have to wonder what the people that are now supporting her, would say, if her parents were black, and she 'chose' to identify as white. What if she rebuked her black parents and put a picture of a white man on her FB, and said he was her father? And she taught AngloStudies, and pretended a white child was her child? Would they still be so supportive and positive about her lies?

 

[SophieRose]

Much more here in the local Spokane paper
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jun/12/naacp-presidents-claims-about-background-disputed/

Rachel Dolezal dismisses the controversy as little more than an ugly byproduct of contentious litigation between other family members over allegations of past abuse that has divided the family. She’s particularly suspicious of the timing, noting that the allegations broke on her son’s birthday and come as the Colorado lawsuit filed by her sister against their brother nears a key juncture.

Ruthanne Dolezal, however, said that while the family has long been aware of some of their daughter’s racial and ethnic claims in the Inland Northwest, they didn’t comment until being contacted by the media.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I would like to know if Dolezal truly identifies herself as being black. Or did she have other reasons to make this claim? If she truly feels that she's black should society force her to not accept those feelings?

 

[gitana1]

And never mind her claims about getting hate mail.
Which apparently was not mailed but placed into mailbox. She apparently made a bunch of claims over the years, including a noose being placed on her property.

"The only way this letter could have ended up in this PO box would be if it was placed there by someone with a key to that box, or if a USPS employee was involved," the detective wrote in the police report. Police interviewed and all three postal workers who had access to the P.O. box and cleared them of any involvement."


http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-ne...pend-dolezal-hate-mail-investigation/33556708

I think she really liked the attention of being a victim of a hate crime. Sick. Reminds me of another woman here in California who vandalized her own car and pretended others did it.

There are some very bizarre people in the world.

 

[gitana1]

I would like to know if Dolezal truly identifies herself as being black. Or did she have other reasons to make this claim? If she truly feels that she's black should society force her to not accept those feelings?

She can feel anyway she wants. But clearly, she does not really identify as being black. Otherwise, she would simply state that's how she identifies and not lie about who her family is, hide her family, make up stories about her childhood, etc.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

She can feel anyway she wants. But clearly, she does not really identify as being black. Otherwise, she would simply state that's how she identifies and not lie about who her family is, hide her family, make up stories about her childhood, etc.

That's true. Fabricating things is not a good way to project an honest portrayal of ones self.

Sounds like she embellished things to gain acceptance into a group she admired. JMO.

 

[EllieBee]

But she has no true AA heritage. That would be like me, waking up tomorrow morning, and saying, "You know...I feel like an Eskimo today." And suddenly, portraying myself, and filling out legal paperwork, identifying myself as having a biological tie to an Eskimo tribe.

And a transgender person has no concrete, physical proof that they are, in fact, not the gender with which they are born. Yet, it is imperative to that person that they be allowed to live as the gender they feel connected to.

I was born white, and biological female.

Should I realize I was born with the wrong physical sexual characteristics for my emotional/psychic gender alignment, then I would be considered transgendered.

Not saying this is the case here, but who are we to say people cannot be transracial?

Physiologically there is no difference in being born one gender or one race, yet identifying with another.

Look, if I am wrong, I am sorry, but I tend to be tolerant of whatever people choose as long as nobody is victimized or hurt.

Really, how is choosing a race not nascent to you different than choosing a gender not nascent to you?

Again, if she did this for money or political power or to circumvent hiring practices which are race-restricted, then that is fraudulent. But that has not been proven, insomuch as I have read.

 

[Zuri]

Oh my gosh. You just must read her bio for the African studies department. (People usually have to write those themselves, btw): http://m.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program/aep-faculty

This was huge. I was incredulous when I read that she was considering entering pre-med studies to do a residency in trauma surgery? so she could do surgery all over the world. Perhaps she should have said General Surgery. The grandiose thinking, along with her other self back pats, in this piece are fascinating.

 

[EllieBee]

She can feel anyway she wants. But clearly, she does not really identify as being black. Otherwise, she would simply state that's how she identifies and not lie about who her family is, hide her family, make up stories about her childhood, etc.

This is a good point.

But like Brandon Teena, might she have carried the masquerade so far that it was dangerous to admit the truth?

After all, Brandon was murdered when haters discovered who he really was, gender-wise.

 

[EllieBee]

All of the above is true. But Nova, I do have to laugh a bit at this statement:

"...but that her choice of ethnicity wasn't random,..."


Since when do we get to choose our ethnicity. LOL If your parents are white, then you are white. Sorry. LOL :slap:

So if you have a penis, you are male? Even if you identify as female and later have reassignment surgery?

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_385adfeb-76f3-5050-98b4-d4bf021c423f.html

According to James Wilburn, the past president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, being a person of color is not a requirement to become president of that organization.

"It is traditional to have a person of color in that position, but that hasn't always been the case in Spokane," Wilburn said, adding that a woman of European descent was elected president of the organization in the 1990s.

In fact, Wilburn said, at least half - if not a majority - of the Spokane Chapter members are of European descent.

"And that is probably a result of the fact that only 1.9 percent of the population in Spokane is African-American," he said.

 

[wenwe4]

"It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child". Steve Martin "The Jerk"

 

[EllieBee]

She can feel anyway she wants. But clearly, she does not really identify as being black. Otherwise, she would simply state that's how she identifies and not lie about who her family is, hide her family, make up stories about her childhood, etc.

But Caitlyn Jenner was married. Twice. To women.

I do not doubt her sincerity. She lived for many years in a way that was a struggle for her. She is only now living what is her truth.

But again, I do not know Rachel's motivation. I can say I do not have all the info so I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

I just cannot believe there are such things as gender dysmorphia, body dysmorphia, and not racial dysmorphia. (For lack of a better label).

Honestly, JMO. I am not claiming to be some expert. Just trying to find equality.

 

[EllieBee]

When her white birth parents speak on TV, and show pictures of her as a blonde, blue eyed little girl with straight hair, then we can ask how she 'identifies' as African American. One cannot just post a picture of a random black man on their FB, and say he is their father, when their own white father lives in the same town. That is just :nuts: JMO/IMO

Have you seen pics of Bruce Jenner before Caitlyn?

She is a woman because of hormones and plastic surgery. And this is all because she knew in her heart she was a woman,she just had to go to medicine to help her become who she was supposed to be.

Rachel isn't black. So does that mean Bruce/Caitlyn is not a woman?

What really is the big deal? If I say I am Danish,it ain't true, but who does it hurt?

 

[jjenny]

Have you seen pics of Bruce Jenner before Caitlyn?

She is a woman because of hormones and plastic surgery. And this is all because she knew in her heart she was a woman,she just had to go to medicine to help her become who she was supposed to be.

Rachel isn't black. So does that mean Bruce/Caitlyn is not a woman?

What really is the big deal? If I say I am Danish,it ain't true, but who does it hurt?

Jenner didn't claim he was born a biological woman. He claimed he believed himself to be a woman.
So Jenner wasn't deceiving people into thinking he was a biological woman.

 

[katydid23]

So if you have a penis, you are male? Even if you identify as female and later have reassignment surgery?

No. But she is not transgender, She is a white woman, that found a way to get a full scholarship to college by majoring in Africana Studies and passing as black.

Transgenders do not DENY that their parents gave birth to them, and pretend that their adopted siblings are actually their own children.