GUILTY WA - Dayvid Pakko, 6, autistic, Lynnwood, 17 Oct 2017 *Arrest*

[JerseyGirl]

The boy, who lives with his mother, was under the care of his 19-year-old uncle, Andrew Henckel from Kerrville, Texas, who was visiting family in Lynnwood. Henckel will make his first court appearance at 1 p.m. Wednesday.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/north-sou...-old-lynnwood-boy-found-in-dumpster/625720463

 

[Lmustang89]

http://foxsanantonio.com/news/local...of-kerrville-teen-accused-of-murdering-nephew

 

[Gardener1850]

http://foxsanantonio.com/news/local...of-kerrville-teen-accused-of-murdering-nephew

From the article:

The suspect’s father, Randy Henckel, said Andrew had been staying with family there for about a week when he was asked to babysit his nephew, Dayvid. When they spoke Monday night, Randy said Andrew told him he woke up to other relatives arriving home, but the boy was missing.

Deputies say Andrew later confessed to drowning the 6-year-old in a bathtub, then dumping the body in a dumpster.

"My grandson's been murdered,” said Randy Henckel, the suspect’s father. “My autistic son, who would never hurt a fly, has been sequestered since last night by the police. Apparently, they evoked a confession from him. He had no lawyer present. No family present."

He said Andrew and Dayvid met for the first time during this trip.
"They're both autistic,” Randy said, “and my daughter told me they both connected very naturally. That's what I was told. I've been talking with them every day since, during the week that he's been there, and there were zero problems."

So the 19 year old is autistic as well? :gaah:

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[Tealgrove]

From the article:

So the 19 year old is autistic as well? :gaah:

:censored:

So we're going to let a 19 year old autistic person babysit a 6 year old autistic child who was home from school that day because he wasn't feeling well?

I get there are different types and "levels' of autism but exactly when did plain old common sense disappear in our world?

I have no words except MOO.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Randy described Andrew as a gentle giant who is more than 6 feet tall, weighs 200 pounds and has been diagnosed with autism. Randy said his son’s place on the autism spectrum leans toward Asperger’s syndrome. "He's extremely mild. He's introverted. He's everything aside from the Asperger's. He's been a perfect child," said Randy.

Randy said his son, the only suspect in the Dayvid's murder, has never been in trouble with the law and probably has no understanding of the legal process. Randy believes his son Andrew can't understand fully what is happening, and his condition may make him more compliant and willing to answer questions. He said that is even more reason why Andrew needs legal representation.

Randy admitted he does not know the full truth of what happened to his grandson, but he wants to make sure Andrew was not coerced into admitting anything that could put him in legal jeopardy. He also expressed deep concern over Andrew’s ability to process any of the rigorous questions and situations that come with a legal investigation. Randy said that his son may not even fully understand what a lawyer is, let alone understand his rights.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/fat...son-gentle-giant-says-he-has-autism/626419341

 

[Tealgrove]

This is just tragic all the way around.

 

[AmyPond]

I get that AH's Dad doesn't want to believe his son could do this. And that perhaps he was questioned "wrong"....but give me a break...it seems pretty obvious he did it if he was able to tell police where the body was and whatnot.

 

[drjmcope06]

Randy described Andrew as a gentle giant who is more than 6 feet tall, weighs 200 pounds and has been diagnosed with autism. Randy said his son’s place on the autism spectrum leans toward Asperger’s syndrome. "He's extremely mild. He's introverted. He's everything aside from the Asperger's. He's been a perfect child," said Randy.

Randy said his son, the only suspect in the Dayvid's murder, has never been in trouble with the law and probably has no understanding of the legal process. Randy believes his son Andrew can't understand fully what is happening, and his condition may make him more compliant and willing to answer questions. He said that is even more reason why Andrew needs legal representation.

Randy admitted he does not know the full truth of what happened to his grandson, but he wants to make sure Andrew was not coerced into admitting anything that could put him in legal jeopardy. He also expressed deep concern over Andrew’s ability to process any of the rigorous questions and situations that come with a legal investigation. Randy said that his son may not even fully understand what a lawyer is, let alone understand his rights.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/fat...son-gentle-giant-says-he-has-autism/626419341

Going for an insanity defense. He can be educated to become competent. I do it. It’s possible. Pig. Rot. Maggot.


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[jjs]

This is just tragic all the way around. My 15 year old daughter has Asperger's Syndrome (which is legally classified now as just autism, since the DSM changed it) and she is on the very mild end of the spectrum-- as in, talking to her for just a few minutes, you would think she is a normal teenage girl. She is medicated and goes to an alternative high school. She has tons of friends, is in a dance group, and does cosplay and goes to cons. I still only let her babysit my 8 year old for 20 minutes or less. I just don't trust her decisions long term. Don't get me wrong-- I love her to pieces but she has absolutely zero common sense. I trust her for short periods of time, but I would NEVER trust her for a full day, or even an hour.

RIP little Dayvid

 

[JerseyGirl]

Andrew Henckel

The suspect’s father said Andrew had been staying with family there for about a week when he was asked to babysit his nephew, Dayvid. When they spoke Monday night, Randy said Andrew told him he woke up to other relatives arriving home, but the boy was missing.

Andrew and Dayvid met for the first time during this trip.

Andrew Henckel graduated from Kerrville’s Tivy High School in 2016 with perfect attendance, his parents said.

Randy Henckel does not believe his son is capable of murder and plans to pursue legal help. He wants the truth and hopes detectives have physical evidence beyond the confession.

http://foxsanantonio.com/news/local...of-kerrville-teen-accused-of-murdering-nephew

 

[ninij9]

This is tragic all around. Perhaps they were playing and an accident occurred? Perhaps he didn't understand the consequences of holding someone's head under water? I'm going to reserve judgement for a bit.

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[cvaldez1975]

what a sad story :*(

 

[Tealgrove]

My friend has a son who is in his early 20's with Asperger's. He's all about "what will the effect of my actions be".

For example, he started a fire in the garage. When asked why he said he wanted to see what would happen. He would say very inappropriate things at school to Teachers and when asked why he said he wanted to see how they would respond. His whole life has been like that.

I get that feel here a bit. I'm going to put this kid in the tub and see what happens.

Sigh....

 

[tlcya]

this case is disturbing and makes me so sad for this whole family.

 

[Stripehaven]

So we're going to let a 19 year old autistic person babysit a 6 year old autistic child who was home from school that day because he wasn't feeling well?

I get there are different types and "levels' of autism but exactly when did plain old common sense disappear in our world?

I have no words except MOO.

One of my closest friends is on the spectrum (high functioning). When my twin grandsons were born and their mom was disengaged, my friend stepped in as their "manny" and never once did we fear homicidal intent. My friend in fact is loving, caring, completely dependable. Autism has nothing to do with homicidal intent.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

This does not add up.
6 year old autistic child left with Boyfriend,and 19 year old autistic uncle.
Boyfriend takes off at 2:00pm comes back an hr later that would be 3:00pm. Then Little Dayvid is not reported missing until 5:00pm.
Now 19 year old autistic uncle has confessed to premeditated murder. Saying he planned the murder before the mothers boyfriend left.
This does not smell right at all.

 

[MsMarple]

The suspect made his first appearance Wednesday in Everett District Court, where a judge ordered him held in lieu of $1 million bail for investigation of first-degree murder-domestic violence. He has not been charged.
...
“Reports may indicate (the suspect) has a form of autism, however, he does not report a formal diagnosis and is not taking medication,” Snohomish County detectives wrote in the probable-cause statement.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...stions-police-account-of-lynnwood-boys-death/

IMO if AH hasn't already been diagnosed as autistic then the defense will have him evaluated. I think the results will determine where this case goes.

In any case there doesn't seem to be any "good" way this case will proceed. Tragic all around. MOO.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I had not read every article and am ashamed to admit I hadn't realized there was a mother's BF in this story.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/north-sou...-old-lynnwood-boy-found-in-dumpster/625720463

 

[Amonet]

This does not add up.
6 year old autistic child left with Boyfriend,and 19 year old autistic uncle.
Boyfriend takes off at 2:00pm comes back an hr later that would be 3:00pm. Then Little Dayvid is not reported missing until 5:00pm.
Now 19 year old autistic uncle has confessed to premeditated murder. Saying he planned the murder before the mothers boyfriend left.
This does not smell right at all.

I didn't read all the articles, so I haven't read anything about a boyfriend being there. I imagine the tub would still have some drops of water in it in their apartment if that was the place of death? There should also be an amount of water on the bathroom floor to further back up where it took place?

But hopefully there will be more forensic checks done to ensure AH is correctly assigned as the person responsible?

I agree that Asperger's doesn't equate with unreliable or someone who would hurt a child, let alone with murderer.

Taking the body and hiding it suggests to me that whoever did this knew the child was dead, knew they'd done wrong, and wanted to cover their actions -- which doesn't necessarily mean intent to murder, but at least an awareness something had gone wrong and being scared to admit to it.

IMHO high functioning Asperger's should have awareness of what causes death, but obviously a psych evaluation ought to be called for to evaluate the individual's understanding and whether he maybe thought he was trying to cool the child to cool a fever and didn't understand the consequences until it was too late.

From what the father has said, I do agree that legal representation is important, and I can understand his desire to protect his son, but it's important from a justice perspective as well where a person really needs that support but might not be able to effectively communicate or assert their needs.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I had not read every article and am ashamed to admit I hadn't realized there was a mother's BF in this story.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/north-sou...-old-lynnwood-boy-found-in-dumpster/625720463

Yep. It doesn't add up. The time frame of BF leaving, getting back, and what time Dayvid was reported missing. It took 30 seconds to drown him, according to autistic 19 year old's confession. I'm not a forensics expert, but I think it takes longer than that to drown someone.
My GOD. This just does not make sense.