WA - Four killed in Pilchuk High School shooting, Marysville, 24 Oct 2014

[mnegri1973]

Honestly your disappointment doesn't matter. What matters is what the family and the tribal leaders believe is best for all of those involved. Trust me the people who matter know the truth and don't need or want the media to tell them what is what.


I don't believe the hospitals can even report on the students detailed condition unless the parents have given them the ok to do so.
I personally thought the community meeting earlier would be used to confirm to the community on the conditions of the girls and Andrew.

While I understand what you are saying, I have to disagree. Yes, while the shooter and all of his victims are from the TN, this happened in the local public school and there are a lot of kids who are being affected by this who are not part of TN.

And ALL of the community is affected by this, not just TN. And hey it's great that they want to take care of their own yet they are not the only ones affected. All of those kids need to get grief counseling, not just the kids from TN.

JMHO

Mel


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[mck16]

Were all the kids American Indian? ty

 

[hambirg]

Not if they do not have access to the key or combination.

14 year olds don't need access to their parents' guns. They can get one on the streets sadly. Gun or not, there are always pipe bombs, machetes, swords that can be bought at any swap meet. Let's not cloud the issue. The gun was merely a tool. The issue is anger and depression in our boys. Jaylen was a young man who didn't fit the stereotype. As a mother, my heart breaks for him because he clearly thought this was his only option. He was adept at hiding his inner thoughts and feelings. This is not good for any of us. As a society, we fail our boys miserably.

We have had this big feminist movement, and that's not a bad thing, but in the process we have neglected our boys. I have two daughters and one son. There are a lot of things to worry about with girls, but my biggest worry as a parent is the emotional well being of my son. He is so much more sensitive than my girls. And every message sent to him from our society I have to constantly counter act. It's exhausting, but I don't want him to kill himself or shoot up a school or attack a young girl. . .and then I too would have to tell the media I never saw it coming. For the record, my son is a good kid. He doesn't torture animals, wet the bed or start fires. BUT I bet Jaylen didn't either. Maybe it's my education in this area. I know boys are suffering. I know they hide behind the mask of masculinity. It worries me more than anything.

If you are the parent of a boy, I BEG you to read Raising Cain by Pollack. A poster asked why this happens. It happens because we fail as a society. It's a cop out to blame the guns or to simply label a 14 yr old boy as evil. If we are going to stop this, we are going to have to get brutally honest. We are our own worst enemy.

This is an article that gives a bit of a synopsis of what I'm speaking to.
http://www.enotalone.com/mobile/article.php?a=4525

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[kalekona]

All of those kids are getting grief counseling and not all of the circle of friends are TN. Yet every tweet I read last night talked of love & loss not hate. I will never see that as a bad thing.
It is what we saw after the Amish school shooting and it was inspirational then and it again with this.

I'm admittedly over invested when it comes to these school shootings and I am one person who knows exactly how far reaching the effects are- I was raised in Littleton Co. I wasn't living there but it was still my home and I still see those images of kids running from Columbine every single time something like this happens. I took swimming lessons at the Arapahoe High school pool and grew up withing walking distance of the school (it would have been the school I went to had they not built a new High School a couple of years before my freshman year) those were the places I went, the streets I walked-
Hate will never stop these shootings but I have faith that Love can. Blame won't find the answers

 

[MsMarple]

Since this happened in a public school not on tribal land, I don't think the tribal police would be leading the investigation. As a matter of courtesy, however, I would guess tribal police would be involved.

I think you're correct. Based on press releases from Tribal Chairman Herman Williams, Sr., the Tulalip Tribe is working together with local LE during the investigation but not as a primary player. I get the feeling that the tribe is feeling shame that one of their own - and in particular one whom they felt would eventually become a tribal leader - is responsible for the shooting and wants to quash any ill feelings in the community.

MARYSVILLE, WA--Leaders of the City of Marysville and Tulalip Tribes are calling for compassion and patience in the aftermath of the tragic fatal shooting at Marysville-Pilchuck High School, and promised to continue their strong government-to-government relationship during the healing process.

http://www.tulaliptribes-nsn.gov/

 

[Sweet Tooth]

I don't usually post, just lurk. (Nothing to add usually.)

Update - 8:00 p.m., Oct. 26
Providence will be conducting a press briefing at approximately 9:45 p.m. PT tonight, Oct. 26, in the Rainier Room at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett. We will be posting information from the press briefing at www.providence.org/marysville shortly thereafter.

http://washington.providence.org/news/

 

[MsMarple]

While I understand what you are saying, I have to disagree. Yes, while the shooter and all of his victims are from the TN, this happened in the local public school and there are a lot of kids who are being affected by this who are not part of TN.

And ALL of the community is affected by this, not just TN. And hey it's great that they want to take care of their own yet they are not the only ones affected. All of those kids need to get grief counseling, not just the kids from TN.

JMHO

Mel

Thank you - well said!

 

[possumheart]

^ Is that in about one hour's time?

 

[MsMarple]

^ Is that in about one hour's time?

45 minutes from now.

 

[MsMarple]

I don't usually post, just lurk. (Nothing to add usually.)

Update - 8:00 p.m., Oct. 26
Providence will be conducting a press briefing at approximately 9:45 p.m. PT tonight, Oct. 26, in the Rainier Room at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett. We will be posting information from the press briefing at www.providence.org/marysville shortly thereafter.

http://washington.providence.org/news/

Thanks for that, good info - you should de-lurk more often!

 

[MsMarple]

Nick McGurk @NickKIRO7 · 17m 17 minutes ago
We're arriving at Providence Medical Center for 9:45 media update. We'll let you know ASAP if we can stream it live

https://twitter.com/NickKIRO7

Nick McGurk @NickKIRO7 · 21s 21 seconds ago
We will live stream the media briefing at Providence Medical Center in Everett on http://kirotv.com .

 

[MsMarple]

They're setting up.

http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live/

 

[FragileSugar]

RIP Gia.

 

[MsMarple]

Dr. Joanne Roberts – family statement.

Gia Soriano passed away 15 minutes ago.

Gia's organs will be donated. Thanks to Providence.

Family asks for privacy.

Dr. Roberts expresses sympathy, asks for privacy for family.

Shay remains in critical condition.

Moment of silence tomorrow.

 

[MsMarple]

Family statement in full:

http://washington.providence.org/news/

 

[MsMarple]

We are devastated by this senseless tragedy. Gia is our beautiful daughter and words cannot express how much we will miss her. We’ve made the decision to donate Gia’s organs so that others may benefit. Our daughter was loving, kind and this gift honors her life.

Thank you to Providence for their excellent care – bar none – from beginning to end. Thank you to our friends and family who have supported us. Thank you to Drs. Bill Finley, Sanford Wright and Anita Tsen for their tremendous support and compassion. And thank you, to Bill and Ben with LifeCenter.

We ask that you please respect our privacy and give us the space and time we need to grieve and spend time together as a family in memory of Gia.

http://washington.providence.org/news/

This just breaks my heart. I'm in mourning tonight for Gia, Zoe, and yes, even Jaylen. What an awful time in history for all of us in the state of Washington and everywhere in the U.S.

Senseless, preventable violence - when will it stop!

 

[Trino]

With all the going back and forth on Gia, it sure seems like the teens on Twitter knew the outcome before the announcement. I'm guessing the word got out that she was going to be taken off life support.

 

[MsMarple]

With all the going back and forth on Gia, it sure seems like the teens on Twitter knew the outcome before the announcement. I'm guessing the word got out that she was going to be taken off life support.

And I think that's what upset me. There was so much speculation among the kids last night and today over the conditions of the girls – some even thought both girls had died – that it created additional anguish on top of the horror of the shooting itself.

IMO, that anguish could have been lessened if updates had been released through legitimate channels, whether by msm or direct communications to the students. The fact that Gia's mom posted a message on FB about taking her off life support tells me it would have been okay to spread the word. For the KIRO7 reporter to tweet it then go on a newscast and say otherwise just seems like irresponsible reporting.

Ah well, no matter now - Rest in Peace Gia.

 

[possumheart]

The following is a good article about the social media confusion: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20141026/NEWS01/141029186/1054/Social-media-awash-in-info-but-much-of-it-is-utterly-false-

No one in that room knew what to believe. They heard there were six students dead, then two students dead, maybe a teacher, maybe more. So much was unclear, even a few hours after Friday’s shooting as Jordan sat with her mother in the Living Room Coffee House.

 

[gxm]

14 year olds don't need access to their parents' guns. They can get one on the streets sadly. Gun or not, there are always pipe bombs, machetes, swords that can be bought at any swap meet. Let's not cloud the issue. The gun was merely a tool. The issue is anger and depression in our boys. Jaylen was a young man who didn't fit the stereotype. As a mother, my heart breaks for him because he clearly thought this was his only option. He was adept at hiding his inner thoughts and feelings. This is not good for any of us. As a society, we fail our boys miserably.

We have had this big feminist movement, and that's not a bad thing, but in the process we have neglected our boys. I have two daughters and one son. There are a lot of things to worry about with girls, but my biggest worry as a parent is the emotional well being of my son. He is so much more sensitive than my girls. And every message sent to him from our society I have to constantly counter act. It's exhausting, but I don't want him to kill himself or shoot up a school or attack a young girl. . .and then I too would have to tell the media I never saw it coming. For the record, my son is a good kid. He doesn't torture animals, wet the bed or start fires. BUT I bet Jaylen didn't either. Maybe it's my education in this area. I know boys are suffering. I know they hide behind the mask of masculinity. It worries me more than anything.

If you are the parent of a boy, I BEG you to read Raising Cain by Pollack. A poster asked why this happens. It happens because we fail as a society. It's a cop out to blame the guns or to simply label a 14 yr old boy as evil. If we are going to stop this, we are going to have to get brutally honest. We are our own worst enemy.

This is an article that gives a bit of a synopsis of what I'm speaking to.
http://www.enotalone.com/mobile/article.php?a=4525

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Feminism does not embrace or support the "mask of masculinity." Just the opposite. "Raising Cain" (which was written by two authors, neither named Pollack) blames male culture and, from what I can tell, pretty much supports feminist ideology. To quote the book summary: "Cutting through outdated theories of "mother blame," "boy biology," and "testosterone," the authors shed light on the destructive emotional training our boys receive--the emotional miseducation of boys." There is no need to knock feminism to make a point about how our culture treats boys and men because feminism did not create that culture, patriarchy did.