WA - Four killed in Pilchuk High School shooting, Marysville, 24 Oct 2014

[Trino]

Does anyone else feel like there is a piece of this puzzle missing...there must be something that has not been brought to light. Because of the circumstances surrounding this horrific act it may well be a mystery for years to come or forever. There is too much information out there that says absolutely nothing.

My heart goes out for all those who lost their lives and for all those they left behind who love them. The process is beyond painful. Prayers abound.

This is a NA issue, and they take care of their own.

 

[kimmypie1]

This is a NA issue, and they take care of their own.

I respectfully beg to differ. If it happened on tribal land at a Native American school then I could maybe agree with that statement. However this happened at a public school and did not just involve Native American kids (I am not sure if all that were shot were NA, but there are tons of kids at that school who are not NA). We as parents must know what causes children to break like this so that we can help to prevent these tragedies from occurring again and again and again. Otherwise, how can we protect our kids??

 

[CARIIS]

Does anyone else feel like there is a piece of this puzzle missing...there must be something that has not been brought to light. Because of the circumstances surrounding this horrific act it may well be a mystery for years to come or forever. There is too much information out there that says absolutely nothing.

My heart goes out for all those who lost their lives and for all those they left behind who love them. The process is beyond painful. Prayers abound.

SPECULATION COMING: I still think we are talking about a "family" secret - like finding out someone else is ones father - or the girl was impregnated -- something along those lines. It seems as if the community is surrounding the barn.

Something shaming is my guess

 

[FF2058]

Media reports say that JF 'lured' his friends to his table for lunch via text? Didn't he normally eat lunch with his friends and cousins? Why would he have to text them? Was he being ostracized by them, or self-isolating? Or eating lunch with another group of friends? His Facebook now looks like it's been sanitized.

 

[Trino]

I respectfully beg to differ. If it happened on tribal land at a Native American school then I could maybe agree with that statement. However this happened at a public school and did not just involve Native American kids (I am not sure if all that were shot were NA, but there are tons of kids at that school who are not NA). We as parents must know what causes children to break like this so that we can help to prevent these tragedies from occurring again and again and again. Otherwise, how can we protect our kids??

All involved were NA. The "community" will make official statements, but IMO there will be little beyond that. One must remember that although this is a public school, the non-NA community works closely with the tribe. Have you noticed there was no profiling of the deceased/injured and little information given about them? Even with JF, the tribe is trying to keep things at a lower profile.

I understand your concern, and I'm not defending the tribe. It's just the way it is.

 

[jennapuppy]

Media reports say that JF 'lured' his friends to his table for lunch via text? Didn't he normally eat lunch with his friends and cousins? Why would he have to text them? Was he being ostracized by them, or self-isolating? Or eating lunch with another group of friends? His Facebook now looks like it's been sanitized.

I do have to wonder why he murdered what appeared to be his closest friends. The kids he shot were the very same ones he had attended homecoming with just the week before.

ETA: And welcome to Websleuths!

 

[Rallibella]

Has there been any update on the status of the two in critical condition?

 

[wenwe4]

Media reports say that JF 'lured' his friends to his table for lunch via text? Didn't he normally eat lunch with his friends and cousins? Why would he have to text them? Was he being ostracized by them, or self-isolating? Or eating lunch with another group of friends? His Facebook now looks like it's been sanitized.

Welcome to WS FF2058! Excellent questions! I think he had a sort of "falling out" with his cousin(s) and at least one of the girls in the days leading up to the shooting. He may have not eaten lunch with them for a couple of days - just a theory. Good first post and we look forward to more of them!

 

[Tink56]

Has there been any update on the status of the two in critical condition?

The following article states the two young people are still in critical condition. There is some difference in the reported "care." Don't know if means anything.
http://www.king5.com/story/news/loc...atisfactory-condition-after-surgery/18208001/

Andrew Fryberg, 15, and Shaylee Chuckulnaskit, 14, remain in critical condition at Harborview and Providence Regional Medical Center Everett, respectively. Both were shot in the head by Jaylen Fryberg, Andrew Fryberg's cousin.

Andrew Fryberg was being closely monitored by a team of pediatric specialists. Chuckulnaskit has a whole team dedicated to her care. Doctors in Everett say they have been working with her 24 hours a day since the shooting last week.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Media reports say that JF 'lured' his friends to his table for lunch via text? Didn't he normally eat lunch with his friends and cousins? Why would he have to text them? Was he being ostracized by them, or self-isolating? Or eating lunch with another group of friends? His Facebook now looks like it's been sanitized.

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[RJA00]

I do have to wonder why he murdered what appeared to be his closest friends. The kids he shot were the very same ones he had attended homecoming with just the week before.

ETA: And welcome to Websleuths!

Would that be the same category. lets say like when a husband kills is wife and kids and than takes his own life or vice a versa wife kills husband and kids . He felt they were family and wanted them to come with him? when the murder, sucide of a family happens, most say they didn't see it coming.

 

[possumheart]

Welcome to WS FF2058! Excellent questions! I think he had a sort of "falling out" with his cousin(s) and at least one of the girls in the days leading up to the shooting. He may have not eaten lunch with them for a couple of days - just a theory. Good first post and we look forward to more of them!

Social media shows that
Gia went to homecoming with a boy also wearing a sash who described himself as Jaylen's cousin, who was not at the cafeteria table. He was a grade or two older.
SG broke up with JF over some aggression he had after homecoming night.
I get the impression that Shaylee was queen bee.
I don't think Zoe's family have said a single word to the media. I hope they are finding some peace.

 

[Trino]

Good article with some updates. Jaylen's funeral was Thursday. Zoe's funeral is Saturday. Investigation public report may take a year.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20141030/NEWS01/141039913

 

[Raebie]

I have read that after the breakup with SG, the kids he shot basically rallied around her. They evidently had become close to her and essentially took her side due to the way Jaylen had treated her. She and Jaylen had been dating for about a year. And based on her Twitter posts, he had recently cheated on her...don't know with who.

 

[kimmypie1]

Social media shows that
Gia went to homecoming with a boy also wearing a sash who described himself as Jaylen's cousin, who was not at the cafeteria table. He was a grade or two older.
SG broke up with JF over some aggression he had after homecoming night.
I get the impression that Shaylee was queen bee.
I don't think Zoe's family have said a single word to the media. I hope they are finding some peace.

I am not meaning this to sound rude or trying to be funny, but are most of the members of this tribe related? I see so many references to cousins and so many people with the same last name. Also, in a photo on SG's FB she went to a concert with a bunch of older Frybergs. I know they have been dating a while, but that still seems strange to me for a 14 year old to be spending time with "in laws".

Also, I read a comment on twitter that the Fryberg and George families were related. Could this be true? Are the bloodlines so long that it is not frowned upon for people who are (very remotely) related to date?

Please don't take this like I am trying to bash the NA community, just trying to understand it. And it seems there are some on here who understand the workings of that community.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Truth of Marysville shooting will take time for investigators | HeraldNet.com - Local news

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20...lle-shooting-will-take-time-for-investigators

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I encountered a paywall when I initially opened this article, but then it allowed me to open the story. I wasn't able to copy and paste to snip. It is definitely worth the read. I am working to transcribing from screenshots to bring a few over to the thread and will ETA.


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[MsMarple]

Maria Guerrero @MariaKIRO7 · 2m 2 minutes ago
#MarysvilleShooting Memorial drive about to take off from Everett, pass hospital, end at MPHS for moment of silence

https://twitter.com/MariaKIRO7/status/528227369220587520

 

[jennapuppy]

Would that be the same category. lets say like when a husband kills is wife and kids and than takes his own life or vice a versa wife kills husband and kids . He felt they were family and wanted them to come with him? when the murder, sucide of a family happens, most say they didn't see it coming.

I've read that, before the shooting, JF texted a picture of the handgun (which was between his legs) to his ex-girlfriend. I think that was his way of saying "look what you made me do" - especially in light of the fact that we're hearing these friends sided with her regarding the break-up. She should consider herself very grateful that her family intervened and prevented her from seeing him, or she probably would have been another of his victims.
MOO

 

[FragileSugar]

Stories about shooting victims can wait until families are ready

Other media have done what The Herald hasn't. Many have scraped social media accounts and created narratives that claim insight. You can search and find stories about the victims, but what do they say? Who do they hurt?The New York Daily News on Monday published an article about one of the girls killed at Marysville Pilchuck. It had a picture of her, credited to Facebook, and an unattributed quote from “her peers” describing her as “nice and awesome.” It included a tweet the girl posted hours before she was shot.
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Soon after a gunman killed her son and 25 others in the Newtown, Connecticut, school, Hockley said her shock and grief were compounded by a huge loss of trust and control, in large part because of actions by media. “I remember being very angry when some people who never met Dylan talked to the press about him,” she said. Those people included distant relatives.“We wanted to be able to have our family tell Dylan's story. That's incredibly important,” she said. “As far as trust, the world was not the same as it was the day before. Our entire life was upside down. To re-establish some control was important.”

 

[Jacie Estes]

Without going into kinship and hierarchy, which would be a page long post, the concept of surnames is different than non-Native cultures.

Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940​

The early instructions just said to include family groups with all the people living in each household. The agent was instructed to list the Indian and English names of the head of the household and the names, ages, and relationship of the other family members. The column for Indian Name continued, but in fact, Indian names were falling out of usage and were seldom included after about 1904. A directive in 1902 gave suggestions for how to translate Indian names to English in what would now be termed "politically correct" fashion. The usefulness of having all the family members share the same surname was pointed out, especially for the purposes of property or land ownership, so that children and wives would be known by the names of their fathers and husbands in questions of inheritance. http://www.archives.gov/research/census/native-americans/1885-1940.html

In the late 1880s, with the Dawes Act/General Allotment Act and the Indian Census Rolls, there were bands and tribes containing non-blood related people. In the confines of the previously named Acts and Rolls, people who cohabited, yet not in the manner of the Euro/Caucasian 'family', were given the same surname, in a familial fashion, though they were not blood related. There are people who are considered and called family because they have been, by traditional ceremony, made a family member. I don't know the Lushootseed [language of Tulalip tribe] term for this ceremony; in Lakota it is called Hunka. On my father's side, I have 58 cousins yet I have another dozen people considered cousin even though there is no blood relation.

I am not meaning this to sound rude or trying to be funny, but are most of the members of this tribe related? I see so many references to cousins and so many people with the same last name. Also, in a photo on SG's FB she went to a concert with a bunch of older Frybergs. I know they have been dating a while, but that still seems strange to me for a 14 year old to be spending time with "in laws".

Also, I read a comment on twitter that the Fryberg and George families were related. Could this be true? Are the bloodlines so long that it is not frowned upon for people who are (very remotely) related to date?

Please don't take this like I am trying to bash the NA community, just trying to understand it. And it seems there are some on here who understand the workings of that community.