WA - James Wamsley for rape of infant, Benton County, 2007

  • #121
I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad. I know that must have been painful to watch.

Please know that I in no way think someone should get a lesser jail sentence because they were molested, but I also understand that it is a defense attorney's JOB to argue that point to help their client. And I respect that.

We have to keep working to keep these issues in the public eye and to demand stricter sentences. It takes a long time to change things, but I think everyone on this site helps to do this.

I know you don't think that.

I'm not completely convinced that being sexually abused causes you to be an abuser yourself. There are plenty of sexually abused people who grow up to lead productive lives. I can see it more when it's a physically abused child growing up like that since it's a taught behavior.

I'll just never, ever understand what goes on in someone's brain when they look at a 2 year old and think "Man, I'd like a piece of that"

It's just inconceivable to me. I think there has to be more to it than that, why don't more woman do it? Why is it mostly men? I think it may have more to do with some inherited trait or screw lose in the brain.
 
  • #122
I know you don't think that.

I'm not completely convinced that being sexually abused causes you to be an abuser yourself. There are plenty of sexually abused people who grow up to lead productive lives. I can see it more when it's a physically abused child growing up like that since it's a taught behavior.

I'll just never, ever understand what goes on in someone's brain when they look at a 2 year old and think "Man, I'd like a piece of that"

It's just inconceivable to me. I think there has to be more to it than that, why don't more woman do it? Why is it mostly men? I think it may have more to do with some inherited trait or screw lose in the brain.

Being sexually abused definitely does not cause someone to be an abuser. My three closest friends were sexually abused and they have broken that cycle. The statistic that interests me is that, with rare exception, abusers were abused.

Men abuse sexually more because of the nature of testosterone. Men turn to sex (however they can get it - "normally", prostitutes, abusing, by being situationally homosexual in prison, apple pies, pornography) and violence more than women because men have more testosterone. IMHO.

Then you mix that testosterone with so many environmental things - addiction, abuse by caretakers, mental illness, etc..etc..etc.. and you have people who make these criminal choices because they have never learned any impulse control.

There is another thread here discussing law enforcement's definition of two different types of child sex offenders. The first type is a pedophile - someone who as an orientation is sexually aroused by children. The second type is the situational offender - someone who is not necessarily aroused by just children but who will take advantage of them given the opportunity (ie - a drunk stepfather babysitting his wife's daughter, etc...)

I don't know if the teenager in this case is actually a pedophile or is a situational offender. There's not enough information to know.

I consider pedophelia to be a bizarre sexual orientation (like bestiality) - in psychologists terms, it's called a paraphilia. Some pedophiles seem to have had the orientation since childhood. Some are abused and develop the orientation. We need to study pedophelia more to understand more. Like other sexual orientations, pedophelia is not curable.
 
  • #123
Years ago I was working for a corporation, and I was standing in an office with a group of women who were talking about how hard it is to find a good babysitter. One of them said....

"I always hide my jewelry before the babysitter gets there. You just never know."

I thought...Well, at least the rings are safe.
 
  • #124
Being sexually abused definitely does not cause someone to be an abuser. My three closest friends were sexually abused and they have broken that cycle. The statistic that interests me is that, with rare exception, abusers were abused.

Men abuse sexually more because of the nature of testosterone. Men turn to sex (however they can get it - "normally", prostitutes, abusing, by being situationally homosexual in prison, apple pies, pornography) and violence more than women because men have more testosterone. IMHO.

Then you mix that testosterone with so many environmental things - addiction, abuse by caretakers, mental illness, etc..etc..etc.. and you have people who make these criminal choices because they have never learned any impulse control.

There is another thread here discussing law enforcement's definition of two different types of child sex offenders. The first type is a pedophile - someone who as an orientation is sexually aroused by children. The second type is the situational offender - someone who is not necessarily aroused by just children but who will take advantage of them given the opportunity (ie - a drunk stepfather babysitting his wife's daughter, etc...)

I don't know if the teenager in this case is actually a pedophile or is a situational offender. There's not enough information to know.

I consider pedophelia to be a bizarre sexual orientation (like bestiality) - in psychologists terms, it's called a paraphilia. Some pedophiles seem to have had the orientation since childhood. Some are abused and develop the orientation. We need to study pedophelia more to understand more. Like other sexual orientations, pedophelia is not curable.


I don't see too much of a difference between a situational abuser and a pedophile if the child is young except one may have a little more self control and only act when the situation presents itself . I think they're both a form of pedophilia, otherwise why act on it at all? If it's an older child, say early teens they may just be a drunk perv. I can kind of understand a man thinking a 14 or 15 year old is "hot" but not a child that hasn't reached puberty yet.

My husband always says that girls sure didn't look like they do now when he was a teenager. He's also informed me that if I have a girl, she won't be allowed out of the house until college and he may go with her then. LOL
 
  • #125
Those were really insightful thoughts Southcitymom. Lots of balance and compassion. I lack that at times, so your post was definitely a valid view worth my consideration. Philamena, I am not quick to assign his behavior to some unfortunate incidences he himself may have experienced in his life. But I am also not quick to see this crime as a deliberate act of control and torture. Leaving a 17 year old male, who does not have a moral compass, anywhere unsupervised for 9 hours will have varying results. In this particular case the mom left her children with an individual in this category, and assigned to him the task of being responsible for all the diaper changing and trips to the potty with her 3 year old little girl. This teenager made some horrible choices. So did the mom.

Thank you, scarpetta. I have really been enjoying your posts lately as well - especially that one about death and grieving in the Parking Lot. It blew me away.

I think the offender in this case may well be deemed "situational."

There are LOTS of teenage boys who have thought "MMMMM....I wonder what it would feel like to put it in ________ (insert bizarre location here)" The problem is that THIS teenage boy did not have the impulse control to spare another sentient being pain. That's always wrong and by 17 most of us have figured that out.
 
  • #126
Years ago I was working for a corporation, and I was standing in an office with a group of women who were talking about how hard it is to find a good babysitter. One of them said....

"I always hide my jewelry before the babysitter gets there. You just never know."

I thought...Well, at least the rings are safe.


That's scary. My family and friends watch my son, that's it. We recently moved to WV and my neighbor has a daughter that's 12. She keeps telling me that she'll watch my son and the new baby when it comes anytime we want.

Uh, no thanks. Come see me in a few years.

And the ironic or hypocritical part, depending on how you look at it is I babysat when I was 12. Times were different then, that was 25 years ago.
 
  • #127
Thank you, scarpetta. I have really been enjoying your posts lately as well - especially that one about death and grieving in the Parking Lot. It blew me away.

I think the offender in this case may well be deemed "situational."

There are LOTS of teenage boys who have thought "MMMMM....I wonder what it would feel like to put it in ________ (insert bizarre location here)" The problem is that THIS teenage boy did not have the impulse control to spare another sentient being pain. That's always wrong and by 17 most of us have figured that out.

Thank you SCM. I read his myspace page carefully and looked at his photos, as well as the comments by his friends and a couple of people claiming to be relatives. I think this was "situational" as well. I think, so far and until so much more information is forthcoming, that he is lacking some basic qualities that are not tied to sexual deviance, but did contribute greatly to his sexual crime. I enjoy your posts and your perspective.
 
  • #128
Hi all, I just had to jump in and read this when I saw the headline. This is too sad to even absorb.

This is one of the sickest and most disgusting stories I have ever read. I say throw him in GP. I think this definitely warrants the DP. This story just breaks every moral boundary we have established. Death to perverts who molest children (IMO). I'm just tired of listening to their excuses if they have any, there are no Excuses!!!

Thanks for sharing your opinions on this tragic story.

Have a good day

Gozgals
 
  • #129
Update on this case....

http://www.mycrimespace.com/2007/12/05/child-rapist-pleads-guilty/#more-1573
Child rapist pleads guilty

by Trench on December 5th, 2007
Baby Rapist Faces Life in Prison:
It’s been a while since we’ve heard anything about James Wamsley. He might stick out in your mind. He was accused of raping an infant. I say was accused because he pleaded guilty to the charges.
As part of the plea, Wamsley was also found guilty of an aggravating factor, including the vulnerability of the child.
Aggravating factors affect how the teen will be sentenced.
Since then, lawyers have duked it out over another aggravating factor: the injuries to the baby.
In a trial hearing Tuesday, a judge ruled the teen is guilty of that second aggravating factor, which could put him away for life.
Wamsley was charged as an adult and if anybody has a problem with that I present the following…

Experts said most rape cases in children don’t require surgery at all.
But this little boy was hurt so badly, he needed surgery in Spokane.
In nearly two decades as a pediatric specialist, Dr. Zirkle has seen only a handful of cases involving an infant.
“There probably aren’t more than 15 or 20 in my career that are under the age of one,” she said.
Dr. Zirkle was one of a handful of doctors who examined the little boy’s medical information, and confirmed his wounds wouldn’t have healed on their own.
Wamsley is looking at a possible life sentence. Sentencing is scheduled for January 8th.
 
  • #130
  • #131
Thanks so much for this updated information, scarpetta.

This is such a sad case. I hope the baby is physically healed and in a safe environment and that the perp is getting whatever help can be offered to him.
 
  • #132
IMO this crime wasn't committed as a sexual outlet for a 17 yr old over hormonal teen....it was a vicious crime of control and torture. That punk knew he was going to hurt the baby, he knew.......... he just the same, didn't care.

I agree. He knew that the baby couldn't tell, and may not have realized there would be injuries. The teen has probably done this before to a relative or other older children. He may even act charming, well behaved, and helpful in order to get access to kids. A beginning psychopath pedophile and would have done this again even into his old age if not caught.
 
  • #133
What about the mother? Any charges? Neglect seems kinda obvious. Leaving small children with a monster should be a crime. Leaving them alone for 9 hours while you go off to party at a "family picnic" seems like neglect.
 
  • #134
omgsh! i must have missed this thread back june. thats so sad :(
 
  • #135
What about the mother? Any charges? Neglect seems kinda obvious. Leaving small children with a monster should be a crime. Leaving them alone for 9 hours while you go off to party at a "family picnic" seems like neglect.

There was no indication at all that the babysitter the mother left the child with was a monster. Parents, using their best judgment, leave their children with babysitters all the time. The vast majority of the time, they return to find that their children are just fine. Thanks goodness parents can't be charged with neglect when something as tragic and unforeseen as this happens.

My prayers that the parents of the child have healed from this and do not blame themselves in any way whatsoever (though, being a parent myself, I'm fairly sure that they will always carry some guilt about this).
 
  • #136
There was no indication at all that the babysitter the mother left the child with was a monster. Parents, using their best judgment, leave their children with babysitters all the time. The vast majority of the time, they return to find that their children are just fine. Thanks goodness parents can't be charged with neglect when something as tragic and unforeseen as this happens.

My prayers that the parents of the child have healed from this and do not blame themselves in any way whatsoever (though, being a parent myself, I'm fairly sure that they will always carry some guilt about this).

She should blame herself. Like you said, she should have used her best judgement and not left her small babies with a teenage boy. Pervert or not, that does not seem wise.
 
  • #137
She should blame herself. As a parent, you know NEVER to leave your small children with a teenage boy. (You posted many posts in the "father takes revenge on stepson for raping his sister thread) so you know from that case and many others that most young men are not "good babysitters"
Not all rape but several do. Heck, even some women babysitters too.
This mother did not use common sense. She left her babies alone for 9 hours with this man.
I am not gonna comment back on this because I have read the other thread earlier and seen some of your comments. I will not argue my point with you. We will have to agree to disagree, my friend.


I have a teenage brother who is wonderful and would never hurt my children but because of his age I would not leave my kids with him.
this is not the mothers fault- period-:furious:
how sad you dont trust your own brother- are there issues that make you feel that way- or just that he is a boy?
nevermind- dont want to know
 
  • #138
this is not the mothers fault- period-:furious:
how sad you dont trust your own brother- are there issues that make you feel that way- or just that he is a boy?
nevermind- dont want to know

I agree..
I have boys.. and I would never feel uncomfortable allowing them to watch their siblings...
 
  • #139
this is not the mothers fault- period-:furious:
how sad you dont trust your own brother- are there issues that make you feel that way- or just that he is a boy?
nevermind- dont want to know

Although I can not speak for Pixies I can maybe bring a little light to this. However I am not blaing the mom here. I never allowed a male to babysit my child. Actually I never had a babysitter for my child. I was raped at the age of eight. I've seen threads where automatically people yell "How did this mom not know?" when it came to child sexual assault. My dad was a police officer and my mom extremly careful with us as in I never was allowed to saty even overnight anywhere. My mom was in the hospital with a hysterectomy. Her very dear friend who mind ya we knew all our lives offered to take me with her to a picnic. My dad was busy caring for us and was going to the hospital. I was permitted to go on the picnic. There ya have it. Knowing how in the blink of an eye a child can be hurt by someone they know I vowed to never allow anyone to watch my child, ever. Not my brothers, friends, nephews. I was also Blessed to be able to afford to be with my child and if need be my parents werehere to care for her. I have to say though that because of my rape I've always been extremely leary of almost anyone. So, maybe that's what Pixie was referring to. Maybe not. Just some insight as to why we all have our own feelings in these cases.
 
  • #140
Hi Filly, I have truly walked in your shoes. I too have always been distrustful of almost anyone. I was always over-protective of my daughters while they were growing up. I never wanted them to go through the hell I did. To this day I still feel the same way only now it's about my grandchildren. I am the only one who has ever babysat my grandson and he's 10 years old.
 

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