Found Deceased WA - Jenise Wright, 6, Bremerton, 2 Aug 2014 - #6 *Arrest*

[necco]

Just a thought on the manslaughter charge, is there a possible second victim? Or is it possible that police are using it as a bargaining chip, hoping for a confession?

Some states allow more than one charge on the same criminal act. I believe it is called something like "lesser included charges" and it is designed to give the jury an option besides complete acquittal if the prosecution proves that the perp caused the death but fails to prove that the crime fits the legal definition of murder.

Looking for links to back this up as it is currently coming from little used neurons in a dusty corner of my brain.

 

[CHERIE.T]

As far as forgiveness goes I feel like he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in the public's eye. If he forgives the kid people ask why. Could it be that he too was once accused of something and maybe he truly didn't do what he was accused of so he knows how it feels? I mean after all that charge was dropped. On the other hand if he doesn't forgive some may call him a hypocrite and sympathizer.

We all know better parenting skills may have made a difference here but the lack thereof doesn't mean they didn't love their little girl.

Will he feel this forgiveness after hearing the details of his child's brutal rape, MOD, and condition of her remains when they were found? kwim?

 

[necco]

necco, I had to forward the video clip to 7:23 and view it to the end to see it myself. I will ETA the link as soon as I find it (unless someone posts it first).

:seeya:

ETA:

via
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10840760

6-year-old girl missing from Bremerton | www.kirotv.com

Found the embedded video:

You have to drag it to approximately 7:23 before it starts (at least for me via iPhone).

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/6-year-old-girl-missing-bremerton/ngtWG/?nmredir=true&__federated=1

Ahhh, thanks, yeah, I had given up after about 5 minutes of that video. Thanks for the timestamp. He also calls her a princess. His affect is flat and that may be why people are perceiving it as a negative comment, but he said she's a princess in the same tone. I think that's why the rush to judgement. I always keep in mind in these cases that the parents might be medicated for anxiety which could lead to that monotone and expressionless impression.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I just found out I'm friends with people who know the juvenile arrested. I pretty much feel like throwing up. So do they. Very unsettling.

 

[southsleuth]

I just found out I'm friends with people who know the juvenile arrested. I pretty much feel like throwing up. So do they. Very unsettling.

Unsettling indeed. I'm sorry.

 

[iluvmua]

At this time i'm more focused on the perp than the parents.

If it comes out that they are being charged with something, so be it, but now i'm focusing my attention on the one who committed this brutal and horrible crime. jmo

 

[Tulessa]

I'm still catching up from yesterday. :blushing:
I want to respectfully say I don't believe I'd have it in me to forgive the so called person who brutally raped, murdered and left my beautiful, innocent, precious little girl in the mud. Never, no way would or could I forgive.

You would be surprised.

 

[necco]

I just found out I'm friends with people who know the juvenile arrested. I pretty much feel like throwing up. So do they. Very unsettling.

My condolences. It is awful when people realize that someone they know is capable of horrific actions. Not only do they have to deal with the horror of the crime, but they also have to deal with the loss of the friend they thought they knew and yet feel guilty for feeling like they have a right to feel bad. I have a friend whose friend from college is a convicted serial child molester and for him, it was like his friend died, because the man he knew DID die in a way and was replaced with a monster. My friend got very little support because people just assume you can turn off friendship and turn on hatred the instant you find something like that out. It's not that simple. It took him a while to process and grieve his friend (the child molester) and he felt guilty that he couldn't just hate him in an instant.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Case turns to prosecutors in death of Jenise Wright

“We’re just wrapping everything up,” Wilson added Sunday. “There’s still a lot to do, but now the focus is just dotting all of our i’s and crossing all of our t’s and handing the case off to prosecutors.”

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024286892_bremertonfoloxml.html

 

[2Hope4]

I haven't forgiven my neighbor for shooting my dog with a bb gun, pellet gun or whatever it was. But I saw him do it, heard my dog yelp, and come running back up the driveway... btw...dog was on MY property!!! Don't F@&$ with my kids or animals!!!! Don't care how old you are, or what sex you are. Momma bear nothing....I become a huge ole Momma Sow and will eat ya up and leave no evidence! Grrrrrr!!!!!!!!! OINK OINK OINK!!!!!

Heck, I have problems forgiving MYSELF for things that happened 10 or more years ago, and was NOT illegal nor harmed anyone!!! Noooopppeeee.... no rapist gonna rape my baby, and then murder her or him, and then strut around as if nothing happened. No doubt even out hanging flyers and 'looking' for her. We know it was reported he was at the vigil. In time could I, would I??? Well I don't know... but I know at this point in time, Jenise is NOT my child, I never knew her, never will now, and yet, I can't forgive her rapist and murderer. I can't.

Someone upthread asked about not saying much about the Mom. Well, we're limited on what we CAN say, because she hasn't spoken out to media. Dad did, and we're limited only to what was released to media. Sooo... at most we CAN say we didn't hear a plea from Mom or Dad for someone to please release her, please bring her home, please don't harm her, etc. We heard Dad say she has a home, and doesn't need to be staying with someone else...but...I don't remember hearing a plea for J. I could be wrong. I do know the photos supplied that were the most recent showing her new adult teeth were not from family! I saw those on social media accounts from the teens in the neighborhood.

Perhaps Mom is heavily sedated in a fetal position in a psych ward. I have no idea. I've no idea how I would respond if I had a missing child, and pray I never, ever, never, ever have to find out. Though my family claims I respond so well to the initial crisis that is going on, and take charge to get what needs to be done, I don't feel the same as their viewpoint. I may go through the motions, and not even remember afterwards what I exactly did, but I do know I crash, literally, physically and emotionally afterwards, to the point I couldn't even go to my Grandma's burial, and she died a peaceful death following brain cancer. I did go to the funeral, and family night...

At any rate, People are Unpredictable!!!


Oh, mods, nothing from a parent's fb can be linked, can it? I know it was in Abigail H's case, but I 'think' that was because they used that platform to try to get communications to Abby, and wasn't used to post their daily life, etc.

 

[SCHMAE]

Some states allow more than one charge on the same criminal act. I believe it is called something like "lesser included charges" and it is designed to give the jury an option besides complete acquittal if the prosecution proves that the perp caused the death but fails to prove that the crime fits the legal definition of murder.

Looking for links to back this up as it is currently coming from little used neurons in a dusty corner of my brain.

Necco, You're a genius !! I've been wondering over and over what the heck was up with the murder 2 and manslaughter. I think you 've got it. I've seen many verdicts read where they say ' we find defendant NOT guilty of murder 1, not guilty of murder 2 , but guilty of manslaughter'' . I think you're right. It would serve the purpose of getting a guilty on something even if the state doesn't have every single element for the more serious charges. For example, if this perp says it was an accident but state believes it was intentional and hope to prove it is intentional but only have circumstantial evidence of intent. Some jurors may not be comfortable with murder one if they cannot prove intent, and would rather go for a lesser charge. I just realized while typing that finding a jury pool in the county will be difficult because of bias. Bet this trial gets moved.

 

[Magdalyn]

I'm still catching up from yesterday. :blushing:
I want to respectfully say I don't believe I'd have it in me to forgive the so called person who brutally raped, murdered and left my beautiful, innocent, precious little girl in the mud. Never, no way would or could I forgive.

I feel the same. I am also a believer of not letting negative emotion poison you, not dwelling on anger, not letting people live in your head rent free. I don't have to 'forgive' someone in order to do those things. And so far as it goes, to me, taking my baby's life, and in such a way that her last moments on earth were so very painful and terrifying? That, for me, is unforgivable.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Tulessa YOU are such a sweet person. :heartluv:

 

[CHERIE.T]

I feel the same. I am also a believer of not letting negative emotion poison you, not dwelling on anger, not letting people live in your head rent free. I don't have to 'forgive' someone in order to do those things. And so far as it goes, to me, taking my baby's life, and in such a way that her last moments on earth were so very painful and terrifying? That, for me, is unforgiveable.

I understand completely.
:therethere:

 

[necco]

I'm having trouble tracking down why you can be charged with both murder 2 and manslaughter for the same act. However, it doesn't seem to be necessarily because of the lesser included charges concept as the guy who should Renisha McBride was actually convicted of both murder 2 and manslaughter for shooting Renisha. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/07/theodore-wafer-guilty-renisha-mcbride_n_5655163.html

 

[iluvmua]

Will court arrangement be streaming live?

 

[2Hope4]

Can someone sneak into the courthouse and move the time on the clock up close to 3PM? Thanks!!

 

[psyquestor]

Will court arrangement be streaming live?

Due to the defendant's current juvenile status, I would not think so. This may change after today, but I'd be shocked if it were any different starting out.

 

[Jacie Estes]

http://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1376&context=sulr

Some states allow more than one charge on the same criminal act. I believe it is called something like "lesser included charges" and it is designed to give the jury an option besides complete acquittal if the prosecution proves that the perp caused the death but fails to prove that the crime fits the legal definition of murder.

Looking for links to back this up as it is currently coming from little used neurons in a dusty corner of my brain.

 

[menmo]

I will say one more thing. CPS reports are confidential so the bishop would not know anything about them. The only people that know for sure are the people(s) that made the calls to CPS AND LE, and of course the family and case worker. I know first hand of three calls to CPS and LE from at least 2-3 years ago. And I can't make a comment about how many others have called (due to the fact I did not directly witness). And numerous complains to management over the years.

There is GREAT GUILT being felt by myself and people I know that wonder if we could have done more. If we could have done more to protect the children. I just want justice at this point.

Please don't beat yourself up. You did what you could for Jenise. You did more than some others did. Thank you for caring enough to try and get her and/or the other kids some help.
I have called DFS a few times and when they got out there the parents poo pooed off what had been said. DFS, I was told, even called to tell them they had gotten a call and were coming out. I will never understand that! Why not just show up so you can see the truth. sigh

SBM

IMO this is for attention. It's getting him positive attention (theoretically) because he's "forgiving" and that's generally a good quality. It's ALSO taking away some of the negative attention that has been on him for his past and his lack of supervision over his daughter.

I don't think that's fair to say unless you personally know him.

there by the grace of god.......

What I say to myself all the time.

SBM

IIRC, LE hasn't ruled out holding the parents responsible in some way.

I will be surprised if that happens. I used to always think that they should be charged. I remember following Rowan Ford's case on here and knowing that her mom brought her step dad in, then allegations about another daughter he touched and she'd told her mom, but yet he stayed. The friend of the mom and step-dads that I believe the older girl also felt uneasy, at least, around if I'm remembering correctly is convicted of the murder. I have friends that live in that area and found out donation money that was meant for other things went to her and she was driving around a newer convertible. Still, no charges for the mom's part in bringing this trash around. What I've come to realize though is I don't know what's the right thing to do..... they lost a child regardless of how they parented, and I'd never want to walk in those shoes. I think for the most part people think they have been punished enough.


As for forgiving, I can always forgive others much easier than I can ever forgive myself. For this I'm not sure how I would get there, but I loved what necco had to say about it. I think if you can forgive then it releases the power the act and person holds over you. Forgiveness to me let's the person that committed the act hold it. Me? I choose to be free from it.

While I'm very interested in the history of this guy, he was a boy in the neighborhood. It's been said that he was a "friend" of J's family. He's young and had his whole life ahead of him. He's someone's son, brother, and grandson. He's loved. His family, I'm sure, are probably right now going over in their minds what went wrong with him, how they might have failed him (even if they didn't) and the shame of it, along with how horrendous it is.
Forgiving the perp isn't going to release him and his family from any of the pain.

JMO