Found Deceased WA - Jenise Wright, 6, Bremerton, 2 Aug 2014 - #9 *Arrest*

[gngr~snap]

Myth? There is no "season" for depression. For S.A.D. yes, for depression, no.

Would be happily proved wrong fwiw.

Yeah, it says the spring is actually worse. I was thinking about S.A.D.
After some more reading sleuthing and thinking I think there are deep seated major issues from an early age. Not sure about if he was suicidal though.

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[CrazyKat]

Well and how long are you out for surgery that necessitates letters from your team?! Most teens prefer to text and to have a pile of letters like that? I dunno. Maybe someone organized it and it was really kind of them, but it has me wondering how long was he out of school for?

 

[newone]

I would agree with you but for the acting after the fact; with his friends and with the police. I would really like to believe your version however. That would make him a little bit less of a "monster" to me. That he would feel guilt or shame at what he had done. Perhaps that would explain him saying "it's not right." (Which due to the victims last name, is an interesting way for him to have put it imo).

A lot going on here tonight, will try to follow along quietly.

Your last 2 sentences are haunting possibilities.......I agree

backhanded way of expressing shame, regret and above all realizing the harm done (half arsed attempt)

 

[song22]

I have a grandson who was diagnosed with ADHD and Oppositional Defiant Disorder. And he's a lot like you describe your son. He's on meds, but every once in awhile, I guess when he comes down off the meds, he goes wild, over something that should be no problem. He acts out, he gets violent and he hurts whoever is around him. Once it's over, he is so embarrassed and ashamed of himself, and doesn't understand why he behaved that way and why he would do those things. He's 12 years old now but we first started dealing with him with this in pre-school. He was kicked out of every daycare center he was in. He threw chairs at teachers, pushed and shoved other kids, hit them, etc. It's been a trial.

When he finally got on medication at the age of 6, things improved a lot but we still have issues with him when he comes off his meds, when they quit or give out.

Again, this is in no way to makes excuses for the crimes GG committed, but it might explain some of his behaviors.

Oh wow, and this gets compliacted because the same behaviors can overlap with other disorders which require totally different treatment. My son also became very violent very early on in childhood, but was diagnosed with Bipolar and is completely normal as long as he is on the right meds! Many kids are misdiagnosed with depression/anxiety or ADHD and they are actually Bipolar. If someone is actually Bipolar and they take SSRI's (the most common anti-depressant meds) they can become manic--which can lead to hypersexuality and violence. If the problem is Bipolar the kid needs a mood stabilizer and atypical antipsychotics.

so I wonder about GG on "anti-depressants"--sometimes parents go for the anxiety/depression diagnosis because it's easier to accept. But Bipolar is always a possibility. JMO

(My son got out of residential treatment a couple months ago and he is doing great.)

 

[Confusion]

I'm not going to comment on the brother or anything from his SM since none of that stuff is allowed here right now, but I did wonder about something else. Is it possible that the reason GG wasn't able to give a DNA swab that day was because he had OD'd trying to commit suicide and they were trying to treat him at home rather than having him hospitalized? That could also explain why he seemed barely able to stand up on the day they did get one; it takes quite a while to clear a lot of drugs from your system. MOO

 

[newone]

I'm not going to comment on the brother or anything from his SM since none of that stuff is allowed here right now, but I did wonder about something else. Is it possible that the reason GG wasn't able to give a DNA swab that day was because he had OD'd trying to commit suicide and they were trying to treat him at home rather than having him hospitalized? That could also explain why he seemed barely able to stand up on the day they did get one; it takes quite a while to clear a lot of drugs from your system. MOO

Could be......good point....

 

[borndem]

Originally Posted by SCHMAE

I have no idea , VA. I've just been trying to draw a line from the over emotional response to his aunt's passing and then the dates. I wonder if something on that particular day really set him into high gear and he could not pretend to go through the motions of normal life any more. Speculating only. I go back and forth on if he targeted Jenise previously or not. Something tells me it was not a plan until only minutes before. But what do I know?

bbm

(I just had to say something...)

SCHMAE -- pleeeeze do not fret, you know as much as the rest of us and certainly more than I...

Did he perhaps think that little Jenise was indeed a spoiled brat & he realized that he was not... Was he jealous?

 

[newone]

''Prosecutors said they want that competency evaluation before filing charges against the teen.''

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/teen-held-on-1-million-dollars-bail-in-death-of-washington-girl-6/

so Aug 28 or sooner if that report is completed

 

[psyquestor]

Yeah, it says the spring is actually worse. I was thinking about S.A.D.
After some more reading sleuthing and thinking I think there are deep seated major issues from an early age. Not sure about if he was suicidal though.

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There are a lot of myths about suicide and mental illnesses, so if you could supply a link that would be great.
Many people believe that more people complete suicide during or just after the holidays for example. This is a myth. They also think that more people complete in the winter, but studies show that it is in the good weather; when depressed people start to feel better; that they complete. It is suggested that this is because as they start to become better, they have the energy and focus to go forward with suicide.

It's important to know that suicide, depression and mental illness can happen at any time and there is no true "season" for such things. I belonged to a survivors group and we had a calendar of memorial dates so we could send each other additional support during those high stress times. There was rarely even one day that went by that didn't have multiple people listed as having died on that day. It was sadly rare to see even one day with no memorial date listed.

Myths can be dangerous, so I wanted to take the time to dispel some if possible. Best to you and the rest of the group.

Here is a link: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/holiday.html
http://mhboise.com/myths-of-mental-illness-part-2-seasons-of-suicide/
http://psychcentral.com/archives/top_myths.htm

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm not going to comment on the brother or anything from his SM since none of that stuff is allowed here right now, but I did wonder about something else. Is it possible that the reason GG wasn't able to give a DNA swab that day was because he had OD'd trying to commit suicide and they were trying to treat him at home rather than having him hospitalized? That could also explain why he seemed barely able to stand up on the day they did get one; it takes quite a while to clear a lot of drugs from your system. MOO

Confusion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, what a really interesting theory .

 

[gngr~snap]

Could be......good point....

Very good point! Except he was fine the day before the DNA was taken. We saw him driving.

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[gngr~snap]

There are a lot of myths about suicide and mental illnesses, so if you could supply a link that would be great.
Many people believe that more people complete suicide during or just after the holidays for example. This is a myth. They also think that more people complete in the winter, but studies show that it is in the good weather; when depressed people start to feel better; that they complete. It is suggested that this is because as they start to become better, they have the energy and focus to go forward with suicide.

It's important to know that suicide, depression and mental illness can happen at any time and there is no true "season" for such things. I belonged to a survivors group and we had a calendar of memorial dates so we could send each other additional support during those high stress times. There was rarely even one day that went by that didn't have multiple people listed as having died on that day. It was sadly rare to see even one day with no memorial date listed.

Myths can be dangerous, so I wanted to take the time to dispel some if possible. Best to you and the rest of the group.

Here is a link: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/holiday.html
http://mhboise.com/myths-of-mental-illness-part-2-seasons-of-suicide/
http://psychcentral.com/archives/top_myths.htm

Thank you. That time of year, football is over. I wonder when wrestling season ends there? Here it ends mid Jan.
That might have been a slow time for him, no practices etc.

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[ExpectingUnicorns]

I have a grandson who was diagnosed with ADHD and Oppositional Defiant Disorder. And he's a lot like you describe your son. He's on meds, but every once in awhile, I guess when he comes down off the meds, he goes wild, over something that should be no problem. He acts out, he gets violent and he hurts whoever is around him. Once it's over, he is so embarrassed and ashamed of himself, and doesn't understand why he behaved that way and why he would do those things. He's 12 years old now but we first started dealing with him with this in pre-school. He was kicked out of every daycare center he was in. He threw chairs at teachers, pushed and shoved other kids, hit them, etc. It's been a trial.

When he finally got on medication at the age of 6, things improved a lot but we still have issues with him when he comes off his meds, when they quit or give out.

Again, this is in no way to makes excuses for the crimes GG committed, but it might explain some of his behaviors.

:grouphug: Thank you, Seajay, for sharing. Gives me a better (but more confused) perspective.

 

[newone]

Very good point! Except he was fine the day before the DNA was taken. We saw him driving.

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we don't which day(s) he may have attempted to self medicate/od though......and if medical attention/counselling was sought if any.....can see family trying to deal with it privately

 

[Roxie Rosa]

So glad your son is doing well, song22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gngr~snap]

we don't which day(s) he may have attempted to self medicate/od though......and if medical attention/counselling was sought if any.....can see family trying to deal with it privately

I could too. I don't believe he was upset when the FBI wasn't there. He was on Facebook when they came the first time so.., he was able to be swabbed.

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[Schmaley]

There was an article posted up-thread that was about non-offending pedophiles who fight against their pedophilic proclivities. It was very interesting although hard to stomach as the parent of young children.

One thing that stood out to me was the description of child . The writer said he watched child and the kids involved were shown as if they enjoying it. If GG was someone who did watch CP than perhaps there was a surprise when he realized that CP is not reality. When he realized he was hurting her. He then got ashamed and then enraged.

Also, I agree with the poster who suggested maybe the common discourse surrounding JW was very negative.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I could too. I don't believe he was upset when the FBI wasn't there. He was on Facebook when they came the first time so.., he was able to bbe swabbed.

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I am confused, gngr~snap. I don't know when the FBI was there but I thought he and his mom pled "too upset" the first time and he couldn't be swabbed until the second go round.

 

[CatFancier]

:modstop:

While the Cat's away, the mice will play? I removed 29 posts of sleuthing non-case player (family) social media!

The only social media allowed at this time is that of GG. No brothers, no friends, nobody! It doesn't matter if they are a child or an adult. Our TOS allows for sleuthing of case players only.

This is listed on the front page of every thread. It stops now.

 

[Inthedetails]

I could too. I don't believe he was upset when the FBI wasn't there. He was on Facebook when they came the first time so.., he was able to bbe swabbed.

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Does anyone have info on this - what date/time was his post about the FBI at his house? And what did it say? TIA!