Found Deceased WA - Jenise Wright, 6, Bremerton, 2 Aug 2014 - #9 *Arrest*

[CrazyKat]

If they had gotten a swab of both his mother and father, it would have made up his entire DNA strand. With only the mother's only half of the strand. They also could have taken a sample of the full blooded brothers and it would have shown a DNA association.

The police would have at least known they were in the right family had they taken DNA from any of the other members. To narrow it down to the right family member, they would have eventually gotten a sample from GG, if for no other reason, then to eliminate him.

So with only half the strand from the mother's dna, are you saying that forensics would have produced a report to LE that said something like...no matches but there is a partial on this female's sample. Try to obtain family members swabs.

Or with only half a strand of dna, maybe it would never have been flagged by forensics?

Again, just curious...thinking tonight about how close did this case come to Not being solved. Thinking how lucky the community is that they identified the dna so quickly.

 

[kshultz06082]

Is ' admitted' to Western State a strange term or am I reading more into it than there is? Seems to be a routine competency evaluation could be conducted with out patient appointments. Why the admittance?

I believe the admittance is so they can fully evaluate him. They want to see how he behaves even when not being questioned. They are going to watch him eat, sleep, interact with other patients, etc. On top of that, they can start medications if needed.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

His parents will be responsible for his legal defense which we understand will be very pricey. It will be interesting to see how far this goes. We discussed it earlier this week and it was emphasized since he is a minor his parents would financially responsible for his defense.

But, newone, their financial situation might qualify them for a court appointed attny as well, right? And who ever knows? Yuk ~ they might have a Jose Baez come looking for them too.

 

[newone]

finally found it:

10% of the bail is required for his release (so parents would have to come up with $100K)

all the rules regarding being bumped up to adult court for a minor are on this link (WA state)

http://www.rosecitylaw.com/services_juvenile-offenses.html

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Is ' admitted' to Western State a strange term or am I reading more into it than there is? Seems to be a routine competency evaluation could be conducted with out patient appointments. Why the admittance?

I believe the admittance is so they can fully evaluate him. They want to see how he behaves even when not being questioned. They are going to watch him eat, sleep, interact with other patients, etc. On top of that, they can start medications if needed.

You both may be right. Goofy as it seems every time I go for my monthly labs to our small hospital here, they "check me in," actually admit me with the paper bracelet and all. I walk down the hall, have the blood drawn, the tech cuts my bracelet off and I am free to go. . . hoping somebody remembers to properly "discharge" me, lol.

So it might be as simple as that ~ or a language quirk.

 

[theyamqueen]

I sure hope so! But it's not the usual "confession" that we are all accustomed to, is it? So ~ it worries me a bit!

Still so far behind and HIPPOing a bit. Going to kind of free think for a minute. POSSIBLY VERY GRAPHIC AND MAYBE UPSETTING.

I am positive he killed her or at least played a part. Was there ever an indication that semen was taken from her body? He could easily say he didn't rape her, that the semen was from, uh, pleasuring himself with little underpants.

The underwear is really confusing. The timeline in the thread mentions two pairs. This may have been discussed before and if it has, just maybe point me there? But, why two pairs? Were both children's? Both hers? One hers, one his? Both bloody, one (at least) with semen. The blood in the underwear... I understand the physics of why it would be there but why redress her, get blood in her underwear, and then undress her again? That leads me down a disgusting path in my mind. And could, god forbid, explain why the body wasn't moved until later.

Everyone is right. Something here doesn't add up with the time. 10 PM in bed, up and out by 7 with no sight of her between. I am so curious what the siblings are saying about that night and the time line.

 

[Seajay]

So with only half the strand from the mother's dna, are you saying that forensics would have produced a report to LE that said something like...no matches but there is a partial on this female's sample. Try to obtain family members swabs.

Or with only half a strand of dna, maybe it would never have been flagged by forensics?

Again, just curious...thinking tonight about how close did this case come to Not being solved. Thinking how lucky the community is that they identified the dna so quickly.

The mother's DNA would have matched half of the sample LE had. They could have also done the mitochondrial DNA test and realized the female contributor of the DNA was directly related to the male contributor of DNA found on the victim.

Once they got part of the DNA of the perp, it was a matter of time it was narrowed down.

Remember The Grim Sleeper serial killer? You know how he got caught? His son was caught for committing some crimes and the son's DNA was put into the national DNA data base. That kicked out a partial match to the Grim Sleeper crimes and the DNA collected from those crimes. So they knew that even though it wasn't the son, it was a relative of his that shared some of the same DNA. It was a short journey to getting to his father, who turned out to be a serial killer.

 

[CrazyKat]

The mother's DNA would have matched half of the sample LE had. They could have also done the mitochondrial DNA test and realized the female contributor of the DNA was directly related to the male contributor of DNA found on the victim.

Once they got part of the DNA of the perp, it was a matter of time it was narrowed down.

Remember The Grim Sleeper serial killer? You know how he got caught? His son was caught for committing some crimes and the son's DNA was put into the national DNA data base. That kicked out a partial match to the Grim Sleeper crimes and the DNA collected from those crimes. So they knew that even though it wasn't the son, it was a relative of his that shared some of the same DNA. It was a short journey to getting to his father, who turned out to be a serial killer.

Thanks seajay! So it does sound like GG's days of freedom were numbered. He would have been caught at some point.

 

[musicaljoke]

Does anyone recall if any of the three vehicle windows were tinted?

 

[newone]

But, newone, their financial situation might qualify them for a court appointed attny as well, right? And who ever knows? Yuk ~ they might have a Jose Baez come looking for them too.

He could have requested the Lawyer of the day for the court appearance and requested that he remain as counsel for the balance of the case.

I understand from just cursory look at the attached link that parents may be able to sign a promissory note and there is a 'recoupment' option if there are assets.

http://www.opd.wa.gov/documents/0185-2014_Determining_Indigency.pdf

 

[Ghostwheel]

He could have requested the Lawyer of the day for the court appearance and requested that he remain as counsel for the balance of the case.

I understand from just cursory look at the attached link that parents may be able to sign a promissory note and there is a 'recoupment' option if there are assets.

http://www.opd.wa.gov/documents/0185-2014_Determining_Indigency.pdf

I hope an attorney comes forward and represents him pro bono. It does not appear that this is in any way his family's fault. To me, it is wrong for them to have to lose everything because of what has happened.

 

[Jules71]

Thanks seajay! So it does sound like GG's days of freedom were numbered. He would have been caught at some point.

But what if his mother refused to provide DNA? And he refused? Could they get search warrants? Someone said they could but wouldn't they have to have more probable cause than just that they live there in the mhp and knew her??

 

[CrazyKat]

Still so far behind and HIPPOing a bit. Going to kind of free think for a minute. POSSIBLY VERY GRAPHIC AND MAYBE UPSETTING.

I am positive he killed her or at least played a part. Was there ever an indication that semen was taken from her body? He could easily say he didn't rape her, that the semen was from, uh, pleasuring himself with little underpants.

The underwear is really confusing. The timeline in the thread mentions two pairs. This may have been discussed before and if it has, just maybe point me there? But, why two pairs? Were both children's? Both hers? One hers, one his? Both bloody, one (at least) with semen. The blood in the underwear... I understand the physics of why it would be there but why redress her, get blood in her underwear, and then undress her again? That leads me down a disgusting path in my mind. And could, god forbid, explain why the body wasn't moved until later.

Everyone is right. Something here doesn't add up with the time. 10 PM in bed, up and out by 7 with no sight of her between. I am so curious what the siblings are saying about that night and the time line.

Graphic warning.

The probable cause statement just mentions the semen on the underwear but not from or inside her body. I would bet that the autopsy report documents whether there was semen inside her. Since she was found in the mud, that would be the only other way to find his dna, by looking inside.

Not sure what you mean by two pairs of underwear. They found hers and her shorts in the wooded area. They found his underwear in his room.

Why put the clothes back on?
I posted a couple days ago that I think the rape happened in a car. I think that she put the underwear and shorts back on because he said they would go home. Maybe he meant it. But then the blood got on them that way. She was probably crying and freaking out and he realized that there would be no way in heck that she could keep this a secret, he became enraged and decided he must kill her. Or he just started hitting her in rage to shut her up and just did not stop, and felt he had to kill her at that point.

In some odd way, was killing her a merciful thing after what she had been through with the rape, in his mind?? I never considered that until typing just now. Did he want her suffering to just stop? Did he know how horrible the rape was and did not want her to live?
Just speculating.

 

[musicaljoke]

... GG gave the swab on Friday and was arrested on Saturday.

I still think LE would've got him, though, even if he refused to submit voluntarily.

JMO.

That's most certainly true. If LE had the results of his DNA test back that fast, then they put it on the very top of their priority list, probably because they already had other evidence to suspect him as the murderer.

 

[hambirg]

But doesn't the DNA match trump everything else??

Hypothetically, GG could say he raped her and left her somewhere, but didn't kill her. Then what? The DNA only proves he raped her.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Still so far behind and HIPPOing a bit. Going to kind of free think for a minute. POSSIBLY VERY GRAPHIC AND MAYBE UPSETTING.

I am positive he killed her or at least played a part. Was there ever an indication that semen was taken from her body? He could easily say he didn't rape her, that the semen was from, uh, pleasuring himself with little underpants.

The underwear is really confusing. The timeline in the thread mentions two pairs. This may have been discussed before and if it has, just maybe point me there? But, why two pairs? Were both children's? Both hers? One hers, one his? Both bloody, one (at least) with semen. The blood in the underwear... I understand the physics of why it would be there but why redress her, get blood in her underwear, and then undress her again? That leads me down a disgusting path in my mind. And could, god forbid, explain why the body wasn't moved until later.

Everyone is right. Something here doesn't add up with the time. 10 PM in bed, up and out by 7 with no sight of her between. I am so curious what the siblings are saying about that night and the time line.

Can't help you too much, theyamqueen. (Yam Queen? I love it!) But can prolly assure you that a majority of people (even jurors) would conclude that there was sex between two people when a combination of sperm and blood from a virgin were found in the crotch of a female's (child's) underwear.

When you are asking about two pair of underwear are you talking about his plus hers or are you referring to the sweet babe's underwear that was found a few feet/yards from her body. Why is it confusing? I believe it was due to disgusting actions on GG's part. On, off, on again and then off again ~ God bless that sweet child.

I believe, as you, the time element hasn't been yet resolved to align with the truth of the facts. None of it has!

 

[Seajay]

Thanks seajay! So it does sound like GG's days of freedom were numbered. He would have been caught at some point.

You're welcome. I watch way to many Investigation Discovery shows, I saw all the Forensic Files, and all the New Detectives episodes.

The Grim Sleeper was local to me and I was fascinated in how they caught him. Had his kid kept his nose clean, the GS would have gotten away with it.

Once LE got DNA from any of GG's biological family members, it was just a matter of time before they narrowed it down to the right one. Once they realized the connection, even if GG had refused to give a DNA sample, LE could have gotten a court order for GG to have to give them his DNA for their investigation.

 

[CrazyKat]

But what if his mother refused to provide DNA? And he refused? Could they get search warrants? Someone said they could but wouldn't they have to have more probable cause than just that they live there in the mhp and knew her??

True. If mom refused DNA then I think he might have gotten away with it, unless there really are reports surfacing about suspicious behavior or something that tied him into the timeline like being one of the last to be seen walking with her, or something that would give them cause to investigate further.
Kind of chilling to think about if he got away with it, when would he do it again...soon? Adult? Scary!

 

[hambirg]

I sure hope so! But it's not the usual "confession" that we are all accustomed to, is it? So ~ it worries me a bit!

This made me think, isn't there usually some kind of signed confession? Did he have to sign something. . .some kind of statement? IDK. . .maybe just on tv. :dunno:

 

[theyamqueen]

Why put the clothes back on?
I posted a couple days ago that I think the rape happened in a car. I think that she put the underwear and shorts back on because he said they would go home. Maybe he meant it. But then the blood got on them that way. She was probably crying and freaking out and he realized that there would be no way in heck that she could keep this a secret, he became enraged and decided he must kill her. Or he just started hitting her in rage to shut her up and just did not stop, and felt he had to kill her at that point.

In some odd way, was killing her a merciful thing after what she had been through with the rape, in his mind?? I never considered that until typing just now. Did he want her suffering to just stop? Did he know how horrible the rape was and did not want her to live?
Just speculating.

Interesting theory about mercy. I read the probable cause and then must have pushed it right out. The timeline on the first page says second pair of underwear found and I wasn't clear on whose but that makes sense, thank you.

I guess my concern is why put them back on and them take them off again. They found them and her shorts separate from her body. Dressing her, killing her, undressing her again? I get sick thinking about the possible reasoning behind it. I feel like this kid had a dark side that wasn't as public or, at least, no one is talking about. I so hope they find him competent.