GUILTY WA - John Hauff arrested for 8 hr. sex torture session in special chamber

[Missizzy]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-release-photos-of-torture-suspect-alleged-1353688.php

Police release photos of torture suspect, alleged crime scene


"Seattle police have released a photo of John Hauff Jr., the man charged with kidnapping, raping and assaulting a woman in what they describe as a torture room at his Tacoma property.

Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said photos of Hauff's property, his dark green Mercury Sable station wagon and Hauff himself were released Tuesday afternoon to try to reach possible victims...."

photos at link


(Wasn't info released that he was driving a blue Taurus...a similar model but a different color?)

 

[Missizzy]

Yes, it was first reported to be a blue wagon. Maybe the reporters just got a rough description. I just hope they got the right car:

http://seattlecrime.com/2011/04/19/...rtured-raped-woman-in-dungeon-outside-seattle

"...The woman got in the Hauff's car, a blue Ford Taurus station wagon, but became concerned about his behavior, and later asked Hauff to pull over at a gas station, so she could buy some cigarettes...."

more at link

 

[Filly]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-release-photos-of-torture-suspect-alleged-1353688.php

Police release photos of torture suspect, alleged crime scene


"Seattle police have released a photo of John Hauff Jr., the man charged with kidnapping, raping and assaulting a woman in what they describe as a torture room at his Tacoma property.

Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said photos of Hauff's property, his dark green Mercury Sable station wagon and Hauff himself were released Tuesday afternoon to try to reach possible victims...."

photos at link


(Wasn't info released that he was driving a blue Taurus...a similar model but a different color?)

Wow! See a guy looking like that I'd be clueless. I would have no idea he would be zapping women with electricity and introducing liquids into their bladder. Ya think I would have learned by now. Then again if it was a local to me who was on the avenue I'd know it.

Cars. Clueless there too. I would have only been able to tell the cops the color and interior not the make.

They got the make wrong. I could see getting the color wrong as they did whoever did that.

Hey, remember his Editorial letter about insurance and tags?

 

[Missizzy]

Being totally honest, I wouldn't give the man a second glance. He looks like a working man who's got grandkids somewhere. He gives off no scary vibes to me at all. That's not fair. They're supposed to look like monsters. And that's the identical model of car my parents drove for the last decade. Nothing scary at all.

I noted that there was an interesting comment by LE about how strange it was for a man to travel to another area to commit a "minor" crime--soliciting a prostitute--and then to take her such a long distance to commit a major crime. I wonder what that's all about?

I can't help but think that he really was considering killing her--taking her way out of her element. He drove her something like 35-45 miles to his home. Being that Seattle is a mighty big city, I think it would have taken a long time before they checked Tacoma for a missing prostitute. I truly don't think that young woman would be here with us today if she hadn't pulled her trick of the secret text. Brightest move she'll ever make.

Does anyone think she new exactly how far she was being transported? Hauff took up her whole evening. At the very least, they would have been gone about 3 hours. That doesn't seem to jive with the offer of $100 for kinky sex. And then in reality, he keeps her 8 hours, pays her double and drives her back to the city. Can you imagine how long that drive back must have felt?

 

[Filly]

I don't know what to think about her. She also says he is a pedo. But I don't know. There are credibility issues for me. She says she has known him for years, she says she was tortured by him, she says he talked to her a lot. So what was the order? Did he talk to her about what he did, then she went home with him and he tortured her too? Or did he torture her, then she continued to spend time with him? Or did they talk about it, and she knowingly and voluntarily participated with him, but now decides it was wrong?

I believe police do need to talk with her.

Mysteriew the cops may have talked to this woman. It seems her comment was removed. It's either the police got back to her or the paper removed her comment or she removed it.

No doubt she was/is a prostitute. I don't see John here getting women to come by his place to have a glass of wine and to get chained to a wall as courting practice. Well most folks won't go for it immediately anyway if at all.

It may sound like a bunch of bull, but the relationship between a prostitute and a trick can be multi faceted. To most people it would appear the woman wouldn't go get tortured again by this guy and you'd wonder why he talked with her. Figure on she probably has a habit. She's been out there for years so she "knows him" and he "knows her". She probably despises getting whopped senseless, but hey when you have a habit and there's $100.00 to be made??????????? What are you gonna do? I am not saying all women would do it over and over, but some do. You're getting abused as it is.

Please know I understand your question. A friend of mine said one time this nutter shocked her with this thing from an old time telephone. They zap fish with it she said. I was happy she was alive that's for sure. Well, once again Mr. Shock showed up and off she went. Most people would think she was nuts. Basically you are when you have a habit.

That's all speculation though. It's not every woman would do that of course and prostitutes aren't the most credible people.

Edit to say though if a prostitute went to the cops like the victim did you best bet they were truly afraid and fear for others. Sitting in a cop station is the last place you want to be. In fact this victim had her mom with her. She spoke to the police, but told the entire true story after her mom was not there. I can't picture telling my mom "Yeah and I agreed to the tying up and sex toy, Ma, but I said stop and he wouldn't".

 

[peeples]

Another story with pics from a different news outlet

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/120742124.html

 

[concentric]

It may sound like a bunch of bull, but the relationship between a prostitute and a trick can be multi faceted. To most people it would appear the woman wouldn't go get tortured again by this guy and you'd wonder why he talked with her. Figure on she probably has a habit. She's been out there for years so she "knows him" and he "knows her". She probably despises getting whopped senseless, but hey when you have a habit and there's $100.00 to be made??????????? What are you gonna do? I am not saying all women would do it over and over, but some do. You're getting abused as it is.
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I'm just wondering, Filly, if you can help me to understand what a prostitute is thinking will happen when a john says: "bondage game"? I would have no idea.

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-release-photos-of-torture-suspect-alleged-1353688.php

Police release photos of torture suspect, alleged crime scene


"Seattle police have released a photo of John Hauff Jr., the man charged with kidnapping, raping and assaulting a woman in what they describe as a torture room at his Tacoma property.

Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said photos of Hauff's property, his dark green Mercury Sable station wagon and Hauff himself were released Tuesday afternoon to try to reach possible victims...."

photos at link


(Wasn't info released that he was driving a blue Taurus...a similar model but a different color?)

Looking at the car I would have trouble deciding whether it was blue or green.

 

[mysteriew]

I have obviously missed some important posts...just can't figure out where. I saw the press conference.

Is there any physical evidence that this woman was abused? Hospital records?
Were there any bodies found on the property?
Were there prior convictions for violence or sex crimes?
Have a number of other victims come forward?

I watched that press conference posted on page 1....a story....a lurid story...nothing other than a "story" mentioned. Please help me catch up on the facts here people.

Unknown about what physical evidence was found on her. She did wait a couple of days to go to LE. But whatever was found was enough that the believed her and began an investigation. Considering she was an admitted prostitute, that is a biggie.

Other bodies. A search of the property hasn't turned up any more remains.

Prior convictions. Nothing has been mentioned, and usually by now media would have them published.

Other victims. Unknown. LE has issued a request for other victims to come forward, but unknown if any have. One person commented on an article and seemed to confirm some of this happened to her. Unknown if she talked to LE. She also added some new info though.

Yeah it is a lurid story. But the fact that he made the effort and took the expense to build a "torture" room is pretty worrisome. Why make such thick walls to soundproof if he was only going to be 'working' with people who were there of their own free will? And the fact that he drove such a long distance to pick up a prostitute and then drove her back home is also worrisome. As someone else said if anyone ever reported her missing, it is unlikely that he would ever have been looked at because of the distances involved. Also was a long way and different jurisdictions between the pick up site and his home, which often confuses things in investigations.

 

[Missizzy]

Hauff asked her if she'd allow him to tie her hands and she agreed as long as it wasn't "too tightly". That's reported in a number of the early articles. My guess is that her regular price is much lower than the $100 and she quoted him a higher price for some bit of "kinkiness". That's one thing that makes me think she might be independent. She's 24 and that is a low price for the northwest. Far lower than what I used to see on CL.

It's interesting that this conversation took place BEFORE she got in the car with him. If he'd really wanted to just snatch a prostitute, he could have played it cool and just acted like it was a straight up deal and surprised her when they got to the house. I'm assuming that she realized she was going on a drive too. She could have jumped ship when they stopped for cigarettes but she didn't. Presumably, he doesn't smoke or that trick wouldn't have worked. I think she really really needed that money and he was the only thing going that night. I also wonder if when they stopped for cigarettes, she got an advance on her pay and bought some drugs. That might explain why she doesn't know exactly how long she was held. It also might explain why she went willingly, after she sent the life-saving text.

For some reason, the issue of the color and make of the car bothers me. I checked back and a number of sources reported it as a blue Taurus. My guess is that most prostitutes know their cars. A Sable and a Taurus are close but the color's off. And that description was in the public eye for a week. That didn't help in finding other victims, that's for sure.

 

[Missizzy]

That's an interesting point, Mysteriew, about the sound-proof room. No matter how he did it, there was some work involved and it's doubtful that it was meant for a single use. I agree that it wouldn't really be necessary for a willing participant as his trailer seems to be set off by itself--away from the neighbors. And he must have wanted and planned for screaming as he could have easily gagged any willing or unwilling participant. Isn't it interesting just how many details seem to jive with Ed Bagley and his crew in Missouri? A trailer, set off in the woods and many of the same types of torture.

I think we're going to have to wait and see what Hauff says. He admitted to this and might admit to more.

As far as I know, there wasn't a prior conviction but there was a citation involving a prostitute in the mid 90s (1996, I think).

 

[mysteriew]

1 Hauff asked her if she'd allow him to tie her hands and she agreed as long as it wasn't "too tightly". That's reported in a number of the early articles. My guess is that her regular price is much lower than the $100 and she quoted him a higher price for some bit of "kinkiness". That's one thing that makes me think she might be independent. She's 24 and that is a low price for the northwest. Far lower than what I used to see on CL.

[B2 ]It's interesting that this conversation took place BEFORE she got in the car with him.[/B] If he'd really wanted to just snatch a prostitute, he could have played it cool and just acted like it was a straight up deal and surprised her when they got to the house. I'm assuming that she realized she was going on a drive too. 3 She could have jumped ship when they stopped for cigarettes but she didn't. Presumably, he doesn't smoke or that trick wouldn't have worked. I think she really really needed that money and he was the only thing going that night. 4 I also wonder if when they stopped for cigarettes, she got an advance on her pay and bought some drugs. That might explain why 5 she doesn't know exactly how long she was held. It also might explain why she went willingly, after she sent the life-saving text.

For some reason, the issue of the color and make of the car bothers me. I checked back and a number of sources reported it as a blue Taurus. My guess is that most prostitutes know their cars. A Sable and a Taurus are close but the color's off. And that description was in the public eye for a week. That didn't help in finding other victims, that's for sure.

1 & 2 That conversation could have been important to his 'fantasy'. It might have ruined the fantasy for him if she had been willing to participate in BDSM. By her saying things like she would allow him to tie her up, but not too tightly, he may have realized she would be good.

3 & 4 I'm thinking she may have known they were going to her house. But the distance may have surprised her and may have been what led her to send the text.

5 In high stress situations I often don't keep track of time well. Hours sometimes seem like seconds, some seconds seem like hours. I would imagine it would be the same when under torture.

The car doesn't really bother me so much. The color of it in the pics, looks llike it is open to whether it could be called blue or green. If seen in the dark, it would be even more so. Now make and model, might be different, but if they are similar enough....

 

[Filly]

I'm just wondering, Filly, if you can help me to understand what a prostitute is thinking will happen when a john says: "bondage game"? I would have no idea.

Concentric if the guy just said "bondage game" you're not the only one who would have no idea. It would have to be more specific like this trick was. He said "I want to tie you to the bed post and use a sex toy on you".

In that business "the never say never" adage gets tossed around alot. It's very sad.

Basically wondering what you'd be thinking though it would be a million things, but you'd blank it out usually because so many prostitues have a habit. Gotta feed the habit. Still it's amzaing how much self preservation kicks in. Nobody wants to die. There's always, always a glimmer of hope you can get well and lead a "normal" life. Nobody wants the living you know what beat out of them either.

Of course that's what i know about it. Everyone is different.

 

[Filly]

Since we're in this thread about Mr. Hauff and it involves prostitution I do understand if someone would be like "So what the heck did she get in the car for?" Also I know we've wondered why he let the victim get out for ciggies. It happens.

In the land of the depraved though anything goes. I'm not trying to gross anyone out, but the requests are bizarre often. I have a friend Lord knows where he is. He was a prostitute. Once a week the same night around the same time a guy would come and say he'd pay him to spit in a cup. Had to be a specific way he spit. He never had to get in the car. The guy provided a like Dixie cup. $35.00. What person in their right mind would spit in a cup for money? Thus the mindset.

You also have some regulars who you get to know. They will pay you and then sometimes take you to eat or buy you something to eat. So Lord knows there's some human kindness in them somewhere.

So in the scheme of all this craziness you're doing something that in the past you said "Well I do this, but I'd NEVER do THAT", and there you are months later doing that very thing. The more you do it the easier it becomes. Maybe no easy, but familiar.

O.K. off my soap box. I'm always praying for the poor people out there.

 

[Missizzy]

Excellent post, Filly, thank you. It's amazing how many similarities there are between the victims of prostitution and the victims of child abuse. Different precursors (sometimes) but very similar mindset.

It's all about survival and survival becomes a moving target.

 

[STEADFAST]

I wonder if he had to go all the way up to Seattle because the prostitutes in Tacoma all knew that this guy was into torture.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I am going to have to very respectfully disagree with both Missizzy and Filly on the fact that he looks like the kind, grandfatherly type. I do not see that AT ALL in the eyes and the set of the mouth. If you just glance at the overall picture, perhaps, but not when you study the features IMHO. He looks HARD to me, for lack of a better way to put it. I wonder if he would be so turned on if his bladder was the one being filled.....

As far as the car color goes, colors look very different in different lights. A car under a street lamp, especially one of those yellow ones, will look like a very different color than in daylight. First saw that in a movie, but I've noticed it to be true in real life. :twocents:

 

[STEADFAST]

I am going to have to very respectfully disagree with both Missizzy and Filly on the fact that he looks like the kind, grandfatherly type. I do not see that AT ALL in the eyes and the set of the mouth. If you just glance at the overall picture, perhaps, but not when you study the features IMHO. He looks HARD to me, for lack of a better way to put it. I wonder if he would be so turned on if his bladder was the one being filled.....

As far as the car color goes, colors look very different in different lights. A car under a street lamp, especially one of those yellow ones, will look like a very different color than in daylight. First saw that in a movie, but I've noticed it to be true in real life. :twocents:

I agree. I think he looks mean.

My own car has been described as blue and green before by people who have only seen it at night. It is black.

 

[Missizzy]

I think it's fascinating how we respond to certain mug shots in such different ways. It has to be our life experiences, for the most part. I went back and looked again and honestly, Hauff doesn't scare me. I tried my litmus test of how I would respond if I were standing in a line with him....I'd chat. I surely wouldn't walk away or even change aisles. However, I've been horribly wrong about people in the past. I've noticed, on other threads, that IWannaKnow has quite a gift of looking at photos and seeing far more than I can. But you have to remember that this photo is after arrest. He'd surely look shocked and cold. I would think that when he was trolling for a prostitute or chatting with the neighbors, he'd have a more cheerful demeanor. My husband has bright blue eyes, just like Hauff's, and blue eyes can reflect emotion far more easily than brown, IME. They can sparkle or they can instantly look hurt or hard. And to be clear, I didn't call him the grandfatherly type. I said he looked like a hard working man who had grandkids somewhere. ITA, he doesn't look warm and cuddly.

As to the car, I also can see how someone would call it blue or green--a Taurus or a Sable. However, the police had the correct make and color due to the license verification, from the moment the victim approached them. I don't know why the police would have allowed "blue Taurus wagon" to sit in the news for a week, when they knew that it was a "green Sable wagon". As I said upthread, my parents drove a blue Taurus wagon and I had a mental image of the car described. It was very unlike the photo they finally shared. My parents' car was a medium blue frost. This car looks more like a matte teal. It might be splitting hairs but I want the women on the street to have the correct info.

 

[QueenD]

I wonder if the picture is a mug shot or a driver lisn. picture with that blue back ground.

He has a strange look about him to me. I wonder if the victim thought looking at him, ah this will be an easy job (his age).