Found Deceased WA - Kassanndra Cantrell, 33, pregnant, possibly went shopping, Parkland, 25 Aug 2020

[Skullfire]

Sorry to even have to post this but looks like we're in for a very long haul with this. Highly doubtful she's alive. Hopefully something will lead to finding her and bringing her home to her family. Sad. JMO

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Im holding out hope for her being alive but what are the alternatives?
Alive and wandered off on her own after BD rejected her either in shock or just wanting to start over? Not likely if her mom said she would never leave her dogs.
Alive but being held captive in some way? How long will that last? Is it another Aeriel Castro case that lasts years or is it another Frauke Liebs case where the person is kept alive for a while before the captives tire of them?
Is it sex trafficking in someway? I5 is a corridor for that. One story I found on it even lists a woman from 20 years ago waking up in Tacoma after her pimps abducted her.

Or is this worse? Straight abducted and ended right there? Less of a liability?

The last thing I've heard on it from any news was they found a man who may have seen something in the park near the BD house but that was Thursday or Friday.

With each day the clues and case grow colder. I hope that KC is found alive and well.

 

[luxlawliet]

With each day the clues and case grow colder.

With all due respect, this is absolutely not true for this case. It takes time to process a scene, analyze evidence, etc. It's only been a week since police entered the home, and our sheriff Ed Troyer has admitted that this process will not be short. I urge everyone to be patient and not give up hope!

 

[Seattle1]

Speculating now. This makes me wonder why he needed evidence--or what was involved in their meeting, what was the goal?

• Who was there? Was it a meeting that included the gf, presumably to discuss what role (if any) she and ex-boyfriend wanted to play in a baby's life?
• Was it a meeting to inform ex of pregnancy and potential paternity?

Does anyone have a link to media that suggests ex knew about paternity prior?

MOO. Also brainstorming scenarios under which KC got pregnant with ex and his gf decided to stay with him... a few alternatives:

• KC's ex and current girlfriend are in an open relationship that is non-monogamous.
• Girlfriend doesn't believe he fathered KC's baby (possibly ex has told her has medical reason for not being able to father kids i.e low sperm count or t-count, preexisting condition)
• Girlfriend wants to adopt KC's kid and raise with bf (which is clearly not what KC wants, given media reports)

I think investigators have reason to believe this meet-up between KC and the baby daddy got ugly -- so much so that this is not being investigated as a missing person case but a homicide.

Reportedly, KC and the ex-boyfriend dated as TEENS.

KC is now 33, and this leaves for the alleged baby daddy to have a very longterm girlfriend putting KC in real danger.

I sure hope her mom is being taken care of because she's more distraught every time I see her.

 

[Dnp2be]

Yes, if the girlfriend found out that KC was pregnant it would mean that the boyfriend would always be connected to the mother of his child or have some kind of relationship with her. Even the most understanding woman would have a hard time living with that. She may have threatened to leave him if he had a child with her.

This would have put an enormous amount of pressure on the boyfriend, especially if he planned on staying with his current girlfriend.

IMO

My thoughts exactly. It’s MOO that the current gf more than likely was not a willing participant of sharing him. I think you are correct about the pressure placed on him because his current gf prob drew a line with the pregnancy. Like make a choice or I’m gone. And by make a choice, make sure this is the last incident.
Sad if that’s the actual case but in reality, there things happen all the time.

 

[Charlot123]

Wouldn’t an early paternity test require a cheek swab (at least)? A regular pregnancy test isn’t going to reveal anything about paternity. Showing someone a positive for pregnancy would not be proof that the person is the father. Unless I have early paternity testing totally wrong.

Just my opinion but I think this is one of those cases where there’s really no evidence to support many of the theories being bounced around. We don’t know for certainty that she went to meet the ex or the current GF, or both, or if she did where that occurred.

They must have had some sort of compelling evidence to get the house search warrant but of course are not talking about that. I would hope they could not obtain a warrant for a person’s residence without more than a group of suspicions.

It will be interesting to see if they do have any type of video surveillance that simply is not being revealed. With cameras everywhere right now, both public and private, it would be surprising not to find anything.

I know it’s most common for someone in the relationship to be at fault but have reserved my own opinions for now.

MOO

I specifically read about paternity tests in conjunction with another case.

Bottom line, seven weeks of pregnancy and one can detect “cell-free DNA” in blood.

Cell-free fetal DNA - Wikipedia

They now can screen for genetic conditions using it, too.

More interesting, this cell-free DNA clears out of maternal body after death in 24 hours, but in solid organs, liver, brain, eye - it stays for 1 month.

It is especially telling if a woman is carrying a son. That one Y can make or break the case.

This is why...I know that not in all cases, all speculations of pregnancy are true. But in all cases there are reason to suspect, and there is a body, the pathologist should take samples of these organs, and keep them. For cell-free DNA. If it was not done, it is bad pathologist’s work.

Regarding KC. One thing is, prenatal paternity tests are expensive. What if her ex promised to pay for it, and they met in AM for him, allegedly, to take her to the lab? That would explain why she did not eat (although it is not necessary). There are labs around, and farther down, too. I’d check what labs offer it around Tacoma. One is in my town, but a very different route. Maybe he told her it was in Vashon Island? And maybe he, really, made an appointment, or she did?

 

[Charlot123]

This is one lab with many locations

Best DNA Testing: Paternity Tests, Prenatal, Legal, Immigration and More | Kits, Locations, Labs and Information | DNACenter.com - DDC


this is the one ordered online, but mom still needs her blood to be taken in one of the labs of her choice

Prenatal Paternity Test | Prenatal DNA Test While Pregnant | AlphaBiolabs USA

I bet there are options. I think this pretext - morning, not eating - could be for a trip to the lab


Heck, even Labcorps on the way from her home to Point Defiance are walk-ins. As long as the client pays.

P.S. I Googled Labcorps in Tacoma, close to Point Def and even on Vashon Island. This provides the situation when someone could drive her in her car, and she'd be trusting. The price is about $ 1300, she'd probably believe if he showed it to her.

Someone might have even ordered the kit. It probably can be checked.

And of course, they never reached the destination, but it could give the idea of the route.

 

[Seattle1]

My thoughts exactly. It’s MOO that the current gf more than likely was not a willing participant of sharing him. I think you are correct about the pressure placed on him because his current gf prob drew a line with the pregnancy. Like make a choice or I’m gone. And by make a choice, make sure this is the last incident.
Sad if that’s the actual case but in reality, there things happen all the time.

Especially if BD and his GF already have one or more children together. MOO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Especially if BD and his GF already have one or more children together. MOO

They don't. I can't say more as that's sleuthing those not mentioned.

 

[Charlot123]

They don't. I can't say more as that's sleuthing those not mentioned.

Even worse. If he, per wish of his own, deprived a woman of having kids, or there was a surgery that is never 100%-proof, and then another woman got pregnant from him...can you imagine the anger?

 

[katydid23]

Imagining that in today’s time, one could simply take a photo and send an image via the phone. If he, indeed, offered to meet to look at the piece of paper, I surmise he is a long planner.

Yes, but some don't trust seeing a pic on the phone because it is easy to 'forge' paperwork if it is just shown on a phone or a pic. Looking at the actual paperwork would be more credible if you thought someone might be faking a pregnancy. JMO

 

[MoeInVA]

Personally, I don’t see much value in discussing paternity tests. From what friends and family have said, CK was happily planning to be a single mom and did not want anything from BD.

Under any scenario, even if BD or his girlfriend wanted to pay for the test, I don’t see rushing to do that when she had an ultrasound the next day where she could ask the doctor about her options for that.

I really doubt a paternity test was part of the meet up/timeline. JMO

 

[justaparent]

Personally, I don’t see much value in discussing paternity tests. From what friends and family have said, CK was happily planning to be a single mom and did not want anything from BD.

Under any scenario, even if BD or his girlfriend wanted to pay for the test, I don’t see rushing to do that when she had an ultrasound the next day where she could ask the doctor about her options for that.

I really doubt a paternity test was part of the meet up/timeline. JMO

Me either. I doubt seriously that she had taken that test, for one thing, or that he would have complied. And people have said she didn’t expect anything from the father.

Now, if she was pressuring him to test, perhaps that was a motive.

If the ex or GF were involved one or both probably felt very sure who the daddy was. Rage or pressure from GF wouldn’t surprise me.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Me either. I doubt seriously that she had taken that test, for one thing, or that he would have complied. And people have said she didn’t expect anything from the father.

Now, if she was pressuring him to test, perhaps that was a motive.

If the ex or GF were involved one or both probably felt very sure who the daddy was. Rage or pressure from GF wouldn’t surprise me.

MOO

I personally don’t care about the test, but I won’t be surprised if whoever is privy to Kassanndra’s disappearance is a good planner.

I think “they” never planned to take the test, but part of the test expects mother to take the blood at the “lab of her convenience”. There are several labs standing in remote places of Point D. And “a lab” it is a good pretext to take K (willingly!) to some remote place, so whatever “they” planned, is not connected to the house. Because from PF’s case, we see how well the houses are searched.

And if nothing was found in the house, to me it indicates better planning.

I can imagine that Kassanndra probably was trusting enough to get into own car with someone she knew, but people have intuition, too. So a good enough pretext was needed to reassure her.

A lab is the possibility that comes to mind because I don’t know these people, nor their “special” places, and Kassanndra needs to be found, and a visit to the lab is a very good reason to drive her away, in own car, even, and there are several labs at Point Defiance, and two, at Vashon next to point defiance.

My main question is, where to look for her now? What lab stands close to the foresty, remote, place, in Point Def, or even on Vashon, if her phone pinged there?

About not KC expecting anything from the father. Surely, but COVID hit hard, and imagine the father suddenly faking interest? And expressing willingness to help his future child? He can pretend, right?

 

[Charlot123]

Personally, I don’t see much value in discussing paternity tests. From what friends and family have said, CK was happily planning to be a single mom and did not want anything from BD.

Under any scenario, even if BD or his girlfriend wanted to pay for the test, I don’t see rushing to do that when she had an ultrasound the next day where she could ask the doctor about her options for that.

I really doubt a paternity test was part of the meet up/timeline. JMO

The discussion is not about the tests. The real question is where to look for her. The moment I read in “prenatal paternity tests” that the mother had to have blood drawn in a lab, and saw several labs on Point Def, the road to them going through the forest, I thought, was she taken there? And never reached the destination?

 

[pinkie60]

Have they searched through that area through the forest? Did her phone ping in that area?

 

[pinkie60]

I think investigators have reason to believe this meet-up between KC and the baby daddy got ugly -- so much so that this is not being investigated as a missing person case but a homicide.

Reportedly, KC and the ex-boyfriend dated as TEENS.

KC is now 33, and this leaves for the alleged baby daddy to have a very longterm girlfriend putting KC in real danger.

I sure hope her mom is being taken care of because she's

Not 100% sure, but this is one msm interview that seems to indicate he already knew. (Which to me seems odd. JMO but it is easier for me to imagine him freaking out when she told him rather than him doing something to her during a 2nd meeting or discussion. That could indicate planning, premeditation. Sickening. JMO)

 

[pinkie60]

KC could have gotten a text message to lure her somewhere No end to how evil some people can be

 

[pinkie60]

Thanks for confirming. I was a bit confused by the last ping and the missing person report date.

It doesn't sound like KC had time for breakfast before leaving, and 8:30-9AM is too early for lunch. There's a good American, neighborhood tavern (breakfast, lunch, dinner) near Point Defiance Park that would be a good place to meet somebody to talk. (3201 N 26th St).

Rule #1 don't meet an ex-lover with a GF in a secluded location in before noon!

Heart broken for KC's mother.. her twin, so sad.

 

[MsBetsy]

Have they searched through that area through the forest? Did her phone ping in that area?

Yes, LE conducted a two day search in Point Defiance Park. Her phone pinged off South Vashon Tower at around 1:00 pm on Tuesday. Does anybody know how far that is from the boyfriend's house? I'm thinking the phone was powered off by someone and disposed of. The question is, was the phone still with her when it was turned off or the battery died? I don't think they have done any searches since then. It seems like they don't yet have a lead that points to where her body could be.

Imo

 

[Aycheff]

Pretty lady. I hope that she and her sweet baby are ok and found soon.