WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #13

[Knox]

I, for one, would not support this idea. I don't feel we need it. Reading at other sites is an individual decision, but for me, and me only, I find it wastes my time and the nonsense that goes on is frustrating. Rumors are just rumors. If there is any substance to them, it will generally be discovered and come out in the media, as long as we keep the media stirred up.

We have already seen, here on the Lindsey thread, how some rumors have attacked our own posters. Not a good thing in my opinion. The poster was hurt and frustrated - and it was uncalled for. We, who post with this person, know her reputation here at WS and on the ground in McCleary. That she even felt it was necessary to defend herself was troubling to me. We know her for the good and decent person she is.

So.... for what it is worth, I don't support those rumor threads. I think they just lead to dissention and unnecessary trouble.

This is my own opinion - I don't mean to offend anyone. If you like the rumors, that's okay with me. It's just that I don't and I would hate to see Lindsey's thread end up in the parking lot based on a lot of unfounded nonsense and trouble making.

Salem

Hi Salem,

No offense taken, but I don't think there are many of us who "like" rumors. However, there have been certain times that "rumors" have later been confirmed to be truth. If you want to read through a bunch of BS and do not propagate rumors (repeating what you read as fact, if unconfirmed), I say reading at other forums is fine. I filter and take it with a huge slab of salt. If others choose not to read other forums, well that's fine too. MOO

 

[eyes4crime]

I found it thanks a bunch. I tend to prefer something like a time frame as a reference point. It helps with the thought process

Novice Seeker

Exactly! I begin a TL to organize my thoughts and when I see others are having the same problem, I will share it. Sometimes, there is not enough info to make any sense so a TL is impossible. In Lindsey's case the info evolved slowly and continues to be sparse. It also helps those who are new to the Lindsey thread.

 

[kageykaren]

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. :shakehead::cry:

 

[Angel Who Cares]

ITA: kageykaren....If ever anyone I knew be it friend, family, or someone around where I live etc I would no doubt recommend TES. Tim M. is the best & a man who truly cares about every person who is missing. They've been doing this a long time & to even be called out of the country to help search say's it all. TES= #1/A+

I'm sure the other group is trained, but I doubt they have the wisdom that Tim M. has gained over the many searches he has overseen. I myself have never heard of the search group "LRC"!

If I were MB I would say it's time to call TES! You never know with a fresh set of eyes looking at Lindsey's case they may spot something others have missed. MOO

Thanks for the info kageykaren! :rose:

:angel:

 

[TakeNote]

I agree, i would want EVERY missing person org to help and find my child.....i wouldnt turn down a soul for suppport and help...

TES would be the second call after 911.....the same time and day....
I would plead, beg, call constantly...i would do anything to have TES come help my child

 

[eyes4crime]

Hi Eyes, Thanks for your thoughts and am sorry as I didn't mean to confuse. I do see your point which is well taken IMO.

I did read the day's posts over there, but what I wrote in the above post wasn't included in any of those. There was nothing written about a possible 3rd SW and just a thought I had. Yes, the thought stemmed partially from what I deduced could have happened from reading there but in keeping with our rules was careful not to repeat what I had read there.

I take that back, as there were several locals talking about how rowdy the people were in the downtown watering hole/s, angry and making threats to do someone harm. I figured that didn't involve the workings of the case so was OK to mention. Maybe not. xox

Gosh scandi :blowkiss::blowkiss: - certainly no need for apologies, especially from you. My plea for sources of ideas and information was meant for anyone who uses ideas from other threads for their comment. EX: One day I logged on to the Lindsey thread and followed conversations about where LE should look for Lindsey's body. A place way out there and unknown to me. I figured I missed something, went back and read, took out maps, etc. Finally it was mentioned the places were darn near the places mentioned by the Astro thread. IF ONLY it had been referenced as such - it would have been so much easier to understand. I always try to make sense of what I'm reading, and if I can't - I look for what I've missed. I'm not into policing rumors and such but if information is brought over from other threads, I would certainly appreciate clarification of such. That's all Scandi - and by the way, I'm a scandi too. lol

 

[TakeNote]

Nevermind found it:

Beehive Assisted Living Community
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557

Now Lindsey was last seen between 5-6 Maple? Is that correct...

the time line got me thinking ....and i know some one asked this already...but did we ever find out what the shifts are for the Beehive....what time one would start and finish?

 

[jvk]

If you are local kiro7 is running something in 10min

 

[scandi]

Gosh scandi :blowkiss::blowkiss: - certainly no need for apologies, especially from you. My plea for sources of ideas and information was meant for anyone who uses ideas from other threads for their comment. EX: One day I logged on to the Lindsey thread and followed conversations about where LE should look for Lindsey's body. A place way out there and unknown to me. I figured I missed something, went back and read, took out maps, etc. Finally it was mentioned the places were darn near the places mentioned by the Astro thread. IF ONLY it had been referenced as such - it would have been so much easier to understand. I always try to make sense of what I'm reading, and if I can't - I look for what I've missed. I'm not into policing rumors and such but if information is brought over from other threads, I would certainly appreciate clarification of such. That's all Scandi - and by the way, I'm a scandi too. lol

Hi Eyes, and tak sa mycker min vann :blowkiss:

Another problem with doing what I did it many times a poster will come along and read that, thinking it is what is going on. And that is never good, often spreading around as fact when it never was one.

 

[scandi]

If you are local kiro7 is running something in 10min

Thanks Jvk, I turned the TV to NW Cable News. xox

 

[Kimster]

Is there an updated news report?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

:waitasec: It has been a long ten minutes, Kimster~ LOL I wondered the same thing.

 

[boondock]

I didn't see where this had been posted here yet, if it has, smack me with a trout and I'll remove it:

The Daily World
9/28

No new clues after weekend search warrants

Grays Harbor Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said the potentially credible information that launched two search warrants along Foreman Road and new interviews Friday has not produced any new direction for investigators.

“We didn’t find anything that we’re excited about,” he said.

Pimentel noted the recent attention did bring in a new wave of tips on Lindsey’s case as the investigators marked three months since her June 26 disappearance. The new tips will be reviewed along with thousands of others that have come into the Sheriff’s Office.

“We’ve still got hundreds of tips,” he said. “There’s plenty of work to be done.” - snipped

full article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/09/28/local_news/doc4ac0faeeaacf8870968264.txt

 

[boondock]

Kiro News
9/28

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search

After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.
The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that her nothing was found relating to her daughter who has been missing for three months.
"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.
Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 among the evidence collected during the search were condoms, pornographic magazines and a car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.
The homeowner at the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "They didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."
Relatives confirm a man at the residence was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "The only reason they were doing this search is he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone." - snipped

full article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html
video:
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21143377/index.html

 

[boondock]

another link just added that goes with above:

Kiro News

9/28

Video Backstory: Blogs, Death Threats In Missing Girl Case

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21142650/index.html

 

[Kimster]

Boon, Those were interesting media releases. I wonder if anyone has ever sued LE over a search and won?

 

[mysticrose]

The family can try and sue the PD but not gonna happen. That search warrant was granted by a Judge, and they must have had a good credible tip with something to back it in order for the Judge to grant one.
I'm sorry this has happened and my prayers go out to them but there is a little girl missing and the police must do what they have to.
We still do not know for fact that nothing credible was found there as testing still needs to be done as per LE, and until LE comes out and states that there was nothing I'll just sit back and wait.
MO of course

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html BBM

Actually, the owner was not targeted and treated unfairly if the man gave a wrong answer to LE on the phone. LE usually do not ask questions when they do not already have the answers. If the answer was not the truth and since they had obtained other evidence for Probable Cause then the owner should not have a legal basis to sue them, imo. I would bet that LE followed every letter of the law on this one.

MB is right. If this family were truly interested in helping find Lindsey, they should have welcomed the search. Opening up your property to do a search was asked of most people in McCleary early on and this is no different, imo.

LE did take the legal route in order to conduct a detailed search instead of simply asking. A little girl is missing and if LE had enough to get SWs to do the search then it wasn't over some rumor or one wrong answer. Let's wait and see what the preliminary tests show on the evidence taken into custody. It isn't over yet.

 

[boondock]

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html BBM

Actually, the owner was not targeted and treated unfairly if the man gave a wrong answer to LE on the phone. LE usually do not ask questions when they do not already have the answers. If the answer was not the truth and since they had obtained other evidence for Probable Cause then the owner should not have a legal basis to sue them, imo. I would bet that LE followed every letter of the law on this one.

MB is right. If this family were truly interested in helping find Lindsey, they should have welcomed the search. Opening up your property to do a search was asked of most people in McCleary early on and this is no different, imo.

LE did take the legal route in order to conduct a detailed search instead of simply asking. A little girl is missing and if LE had enough to get SWs to do the search then it wasn't over some rumor or one wrong answer. Let's wait and see what the preliminary tests show on the evidence taken into custody. It isn't over yet.

Red by me -

I never saw it stated anywhere they ever denied to be searched. Maybe this place was searched with consent prior, we don't know. My thought was the search warrents were issued so LE could obtain possible evidence that they could remove from the property, not because a request to search wasn't welcomed.

As for not being interested in finding Lindsey, I have seen nothing that would lead to that assumption.


I agree, we should wait and see what the forensics reports show.

 

[Knox]

Red by me -

I never saw it stated anywhere they ever denied to be searched. Maybe this place was searched with consent prior, we don't know. My thought was the search warrents were issued so LE could obtain possible evidence that they could remove from the property, not because a request to search wasn't welcomed.

As for not being interested in finding Lindsey, I have seen nothing that would lead to that assumption.


I agree, we should wait and see what the forensics reports show.

LE did take the legal route in order to conduct a detailed search instead of simply asking. A little girl is missing and if LE had enough to get SWs to do the search then it wasn't over some rumor or one wrong answer. Let's wait and see what the preliminary tests show on the evidence taken into custody. It isn't over yet

Thank you Boondock, I think SS also said the above. Perhaps sometimes the element of surprise is necessary so that LE has the opportunity to find evidence. We have no idea what prompted the SW and I have to believe it was something credible.

I do agree, lets wait and see what the results are.