WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #1

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  • #361
cj327 said:
That is certainly a possibility. From where the van was, I think they could have walked to shore. There is a tidal current there, but it is not *that* strong if you are only wading. If you were swimming any distance it could be a problem. From the photos I have seen, the van may have been submerged, but I really don't know.
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Just was thinking, and I asked about the high tide levels, because if I had decided to just take a peaceful sleep on the beach until daylight when I could more easily get help....then later, the water coming into the van woke me up.....the first thing I might think to do would be to open the back hatch and side door in hopes of draining out some of the water quickly. When that didn't work, and not knowing how much higher the water would go....I would pretty soon decide to abandon the vehicle with whatever I could quickly grab and carry along with me.

jmoo
 
  • #362
lawlady84 said:
I'm not one to jump on the husband/bf, but RS's website is making my hinky meter go crazy. It does NOT seem like a "help find X" page, it reads like an alibi! Maybe I'm influenced by my background - which actually is in defense - but it reads like a list of answers to questions LE would ask.

Question: Why didn't you guys drive up together?
Answer: I was supposed to have Cub Scout training until 6:30.
Question: According to the Cub Scouts, the training was over by 4:30.
Answer: The training wrapped up early.

Okay, if the training wrapped up by 4:30 (according to his website), how did he not know it was almost over by 4:15 when Shantina called? Wouldn't he say, "I'm almost done, why don't you just wait and we'll drive together."

If at 4:15 he asks her to get his cellphone charger, wouldn't that trigger her memory to make sure she has her cell phone too? I don't think that conversation happened. Why the obsession with the cell phone charger?

Again, shouts to me "I don't have a phone!"

Again... "I didn't have a phone!"

WHY do we care whether and when YOU had a phone? Shouldn't this be about finding Shantina?

Website has... vague description, no description of tattoos, no description of clothes. How is that helpful to finding Shantina? It's not, but it gives a play by play alibi for her fiance for reasons unknown.
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I agree with all your reasonings.

The one I agree the most is that the webpage smells more of an alibi homepage and less of a "find my fiance, here are the details to find her" site.

Hopefully the mother and child are well, and just lost. Given the population density in the area, chances are that if she had been walking in the area she would've been found by now.

Whether he's lying or not, this will unravel soon, as the man doesn't show the sophistication of a more seasoned murderers like the likes of Peterson, Petersen, and Stebic.
 
  • #363
pufnstuf said:
A Thurston County dive team dropped a tripod in the water Tuesday with a sonar device attached to it. The device will scan the bottom of Dana Passage where Smiley’s van was found on Sunday.

"It takes a 360 degree picture basically. A sonar image -- we're mapping the bottom of the Sound," said Greg Elwin of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office.

Detectives also obtained a warrant to search and obtain fingerprints from the van driven by Smiley.

Inside the van, investigators found children's coloring books, car keys and miscellaneous items, but nothing that can direct them to the whereabouts of Smiley and her son.

It also appears the water went no higher than the top of the seats.

Despite video surveillance in stores that shows Smiley and her son moving through Olympia before they vanished and an extensive search on the ground and the water -- so far, there is no sign of them.

"It's completely baffling. This is just one element of it, the possibility that these people are in the water. There are so many theories as to what happened," Elwin said.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/22859850/detail.html
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Curious about the keys. THE car keys to the van, or spares, or from another vehicle? In the ignition or loose somewhere? Was there also a house key on same ring? Inquiring minds would love more info on that.

Perhaps they did try to sleep until daylight, and she may have been completely unaware that the beach she was on was an inlet subject to tides. and when the water came in enough to get their feet wet and and woke them up (still dark), they exited in a very big hurry. She grabbed purse, overnite bag if there was one, kid and out into the water. But then where, is the million dollar question?
 
  • #364
http://robbsimmons.com/

*I stopped in Toldeo-Vader to make quick repair, when she called me at 6:45 from a phone. She asked me if I could grab her phone, because she had left. I let her know where I was at. She was in the Olympia area, but wasn’t quite sure of where, Azriel was hungry, so she pulled off. She made complaint of being in the traffic. She gave me the destination address and told me she would be there shortly.*

this part doesnt make since....wouldnt he have already known the address of the parents house?....she did call him a few times before......why would he or she say the destination address?......that is a strange way to say it.....

im not saying he had anything to do with her and her son being missing....just trying to point out some weird ways she may have been speaking that night.....
 
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lawlady84 said:
If she really is a relapsed alcoholic, maybe she got off the highway to find a place that sold alcohol? It would explain going to different stores - and we only know the ones she used her credit cards/owners stepped forward. Even though the diner waitress said SS didn't order a drink, maybe she went in, ordered the food, and then realized they didn't serve drinks - so she left? Then tried the other markets?
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Initial reports said that she had no substance abuse issues.

So, why now does he say she had relapsed? Did he communicate this to LE?

Does anyone, other than himself, know of this?

Even if she has relapsed... did she order alcohol from any of the stores she went in? Was alcohol found in her van? Did any of the people she spoke that night smell alcohol in her breath? Did anyone describe her as driving erratically?

IF she got out of the van with her son and she is drunk, it would've been EASY to find her.

IF she got out of the van boozed up, she would've been sober within a few hours... so where is she?

Seems to me her behavior was more of she looking to meet someone at one place or the other.

IMO
 
  • #368
I've read all the posts, and have a few questions. (If any of this has been discussed already, please forgive).

1) Has the step-father weighed in on any of this? Confirmed that he was expecting them?

2) For a trip that would had to have lasted at least overnight, how likely is it that she didn't bring a change of clothes? Ever more telling, how likely is it that she didn't bring a change of clothes for her young son? Slim to none, IMO. So she either knew they wouldn't be arriving anywhere for an overnight, OR she took them with her when she left the vehicle.

3) Was the step-father's house somewhere she had been before (like when he was married to her mom)? Or had he moved since their estrangement? If she had never been there, how did she intend to find it without directions? (If I'm going somewhere several hours away, I always print out Mapquest-type directions, write them down from the computer, or use the GPS in my phone. I'm assuming she didn't have GPS). Were directions found in the car?

Praying they find them both safe, but right now nothing makes much sense.
 
  • #369
Allyne said:
It's actually quite a distance from the HP to the Boston Harbor area. Takes about 15 minutes of meandering...

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Oly...&2y=US&2l=47.101805&2g=-122.883591&2v=ADDRESS
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yes....i know that.....my point is...see where it says plum street.....if you take a right there.....the freeway is right there....very clear I-5 signs... take a left...that takes you far away from town......where she ended up....away from town....

that is a great map that shows both sides of the bay....the handy pantry is on west side of the bay....if you try and drive that out....there is not much of a remote spot....the main road goes thru a houseing and back around by a school....very hard to go straight out to the bay.....

but on the other side....east of the bay....you can follow that way out there.....to the bay....straight shot
 
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In the search area put in 46th ave, Olympia, Washington, zipcode 98506 and you will see there are only two RS offenders around the area where the van was located within a handful of blocks. You will see one in paticular that lives right around the begining of Zangle Rd NE ( the dead end road).

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
 
  • #372
As someone from WA state (but not a local), I've been following this thread since the beginning. I don't recall the following being mentioned, so I apologize if this has been brought up already.

Perhaps one reason why she drove down such an apparently deserted dirt road at night was to find a place for a "necessary stop" (i.e. - potty stop) for either herself or her son? After all that driving around, I can imagine such a stop might be necessary. In that scenario, she probably was just planning a quick stop but got stuck and then left with her son to find help.

Just a simple speculation.
 
  • #373
i really believe she went the wrong direction for a reason.....its to far out there....no reason you couldnt have turned around ....way....way...before hand...the free way is clearly marked there off of state and 4th ave......she kept going farther and farther out for a reason....she would have passed a couple of parks as well....when you take that drive you know its a ride in the country so to speak......nothing out there but trees, farms and the water.....
 
  • #374
in one of the videos i seen....it showed the store owner...i believe at the handy pantry showing her a map.....in my mind....i see her getting confused with westbay drive and east bay drive and she needed directions on how to get to eastbay drive.....

i dont know why.....but that is what my gutt is telling me
 
  • #375
maybe someone was in the van.....holding her hostage....i know we see her and her son in the store video's....but who knows what can happen when your affraid...there could have been some kind of threat on her or her family.....
 
  • #376
TakeNote said:
http://robbsimmons.com/

She gave me the destination address and told me she would be there shortly.*

this part doesnt make since....wouldnt he have already known the address of the parents house?....she did call him a few times before......why would he or she say the destination address?......that is a strange way to say it.....

im not saying he had anything to do with her and her son being missing....just trying to point out some weird ways she may have been speaking that night.....
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Me too, not saying... but...

They had met two years before, and he had no idea where they were going?

Were they supposed to go in separate cars? And no idea where he was going?

Disregarding his Boy Scout training... why didn't they go together?

By his statement, when she called at 6:45pm, he was getting his car fixed of a "minor" issue at Toledo-Vader. That's ten miles from Castle Rock.

Couldn't she wait from 5:00pm or so to 6:45pm that he was supposed to get off training so they would go together?

He got out at 4:30pm, and didn't call her to see if she was still in town? He just took off not knowing where he was going...

Let's remember that this happened Saturday evening.
 
  • #377
ms_writer said:
I've read all the posts, and have a few questions. (If any of this has been discussed already, please forgive).

1) Has the step-father weighed in on any of this? Confirmed that he was expecting them?

2) For a trip that would had to have lasted at least overnight, how likely is it that she didn't bring a change of clothes? Ever more telling, how likely is it that she didn't bring a change of clothes for her young son? Slim to none, IMO. So she either knew they wouldn't be arriving anywhere for an overnight, OR she took them with her when she left the vehicle.

3) Was the step-father's house somewhere she had been before (like when he was married to her mom)? Or had he moved since their estrangement? If she had never been there, how did she intend to find it without directions? (If I'm going somewhere several hours away, I always print out Mapquest-type directions, write them down from the computer, or use the GPS in my phone. I'm assuming she didn't have GPS). Were directions found in the car?

Praying they find them both safe, but right now nothing makes much sense.
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1) I am sure the step-father was expecting them, when the fiancee arrived they waited for her together and then drove around together.

2) Good point! I am sure they would have had at least some clothing/toiletries and those must have been taken with them when they left the van.

3) SS probably had directions or knew the address, because Robb called her and got them when he was in Vader. But, it is strange that he was within 10 or so miles of the destination, fixing a mechanical problem, and still did not know his "destination address." I guess it was just luck that she called him with that information at 6:45....?
 
  • #378
TakeNote said:
maybe someone was in the van.....holding her hostage....i know we see her and her son in the store video's....but who knows what can happen when your affraid...there could have been some kind of threat on her or her family.....
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When she made all the other stops and was allowed to make phone calls too? Very lax hostage taker then.
 
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SuziQ said:
When she made all the other stops and was allowed to make phone calls too? Very lax hostage taker then.
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i know...i know.....just throwing that out there....its just weird!
 
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