WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #4

[eyes4crime]

Hi ...Was there ever anything released on Azriel's autopsy ? I have been looking and havent found anything yet...TIA

Pretty sure the ME put it as 'accidental drowning'. There must have been water in his lungs. moo

 

[slowpoke]

This article says Jay Carver (Azriel's dad), returned home to NY with his boy's ashes.

He's feeling a lot of regret for not being in his son's life.

A couple of quotes from the article:
"There are a lot of kids out there that don't have a father in their life and I was that father not in his life."
and he says,
"If I can be there for somebody, I know it's a day light and dollar short in Azriel's case, but if I can be there for some kid that might be having problems maybe there won't be a father who's feeling what I'm feeling."

So sad.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/Man-returns-from-WA-with-sons-ashes

 

[RubyRed]

Man returns from WA with son's ashes

She is still missing. For now, Jay's focus is only on his son.

Thanks slowpoke.
Is anyone a little surprised, that Azriel won't be laid to rest eventually with his Mom, if and when she is found.?

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/Man-returns-from-WA-with-sons-ashes

 

[impatientredhead]

I ran this story by a dear friend of ours who is a recovering alcoholic for over 14 years, works the steps of AA, and attributes AA for his success in finding sobriety and keeping it.

When telling him of Shantina's wanderings all over the town - his first thought was that she may have been looking for an AA meeting so she could capture some support. He also suggested that she may have put the bottle of wine in the water to get it cool, and it washed away. He thought it highly unlikely a relapsed alcholic would throw away wine. just some thoughts moo

I think there are a couple of things to consider. There are hours she is not on video so we don't know whether she only bought one bottle of wine that night, or if she is just brand loyal.

Based on the items that washed up first: the wine, the ball, the asthma inhaler, and the shoes, and the fact that the side door and the back hatch were open it appears to me the more I think about it that they tried to walk out.

Keys on the dash for whomever towed it in the morning.
Both take their shoes off.
Motherly part makes sure Az has his inhaler.
Child takes his ball.
Alcoholic takes her wine.

I really think they woke up to rising water and tried to walk out. Underestimated current and temperature. She probably didn't think they were out that far since the house was just up the driveway.

 

[eyes4crime]

Man returns from WA with son's ashes


Thanks slowpoke.
Is anyone a little surprised, that Azriel won't be laid to rest eventually with his Mom, if and when she is found.?

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/Man-returns-from-WA-with-sons-ashes

What it tells me is how removed the natural father is from mom, Shantina. He has legal right to the body (ashes) of his son...he lives in NY right? I would think that's all there is to it.

 

[impatientredhead]

It tells me they feel she won't be found at all.

He is the next of kin.
I am not sure if there are even any blood relatives here.
They may be planning to send her ashes to NY when they find her.

The interesting part to me was that article said he was forced to be an across the country father when SHE left NY and came out to WA. Her blog very much made it sound like he left his son to go pursue comedy. :waitasec:

 

[impatientredhead]

The smaller shoe belonged to SS. The other was a man's size 13. I don't see them going barefoot on purpose, what with the shells and the cold.

Could be, but hiking out of there in wet shoes is no picnic either so I could easily see them thinking carrying their shoes would be the better choice.

 

[SMK]

This article says Jay Carver (Azriel's dad), returned home to NY with his boy's ashes.

He's feeling a lot of regret for not being in his son's life.

A couple of quotes from the article:
"There are a lot of kids out there that don't have a father in their life and I was that father not in his life."
and he says,
"If I can be there for somebody, I know it's a day light and dollar short in Azriel's case, but if I can be there for some kid that might be having problems maybe there won't be a father who's feeling what I'm feeling."

So sad.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/Man-returns-from-WA-with-sons-ashes

Yes, You cannot help feeling badly for this father who never got to know his own boy. I think he is sincerely remorseful, and he had begun to call little Azriel.

 

[Jules71]

Just thinking here... the Grimmer's reported banging on their house at 1 AM, right? Day light savings time started technically at 2 AM on that Sunday morning, but most people set their clocks forward before they go to bed. So... it really could have been 12 AM when they heard the banging. Not sure what this changes, or even if it was her... but thought I'd throw it out there.

What if they parked or got stuck on the beach off of Zangle and decided to walk East along the beach for awhile. Items washed up on shore 1/4 mile East of where they found their van. I am going to go back and look at the map again....

If they walked along the beach, which was later covered in water - would that wash away their scent making the dogs not be able to follow it?

 

[SMK]

Just thinking here... the Grimmer's reported banging on their house at 1 AM, right? Day light savings time started technically at 2 AM on that Sunday morning, but most people set their clocks forward before they go to bed. So... it really could have been 12 AM when they heard the banging. Not sure what this changes, or even if it was her... but thought I'd throw it out there.

What if they parked or got stuck on the beach off of Zangle and decided to walk East along the beach for awhile. Items washed up on shore 1/4 mile East of where they found their van. I am going to go back and look at the map again....

If they walked along the beach, which was later covered in water - would that wash away their scent making the dogs not be able to follow it?

Could be.... that knocking at one am (or midnight) must be related--I have had all sorts of thoughts about it---but in the end, do not know what to make of it. But this is an interesting idea.

 

[RubyRed]

Could be.... that knocking at one am (or midnight) must be related--I have had all sorts of thoughts about it---but in the end, do not know what to make of it. But this is an interesting idea.

It seemed promising when we heard about the knock, yet the dogs did not pick up a scent.

 

[jessigirl]

Has that "Mommy hit her head" quote been confirmed, however? My recollection was that that info came from a commenter (who claimed to be a Martin Way Diner employee) under a news article, and I did not hear any follow-up info on that as to validity.

Didn't we learn that she was taking anti-anxiety meds? I imagine that that and alcohol in her system (if she did drink that day) could have caused nausea, not to mention disorientation, etc.

So many unknowns in this case! I wonder if we'll ever know all the facts where it will all make sense...

The quote of "my mommy hit her head "was at Martin Way Diner by the same waitress that is the ONLY person that stated or mentioned that they thoughtThat SS appeared to be intoxicated.

 

[Jules71]

It seemed promising when we heard about the knock, yet the dogs did not pick up a scent.

It just seems too much of a coincidence. It's probably usually pretty quiet around there and I don't imagine there is all that much crime - and for them to have heard something - enough of something that they activated their security alarm... it just seems like it has to be related.

 

[SMK]

It seemed promising when we heard about the knock, yet the dogs did not pick up a scent.

Oh, OK, thanks, yes, I remember now. That discounts it.

 

[SMK]

It just seems too much of a coincidence. It's probably usually pretty quiet around there and I don't imagine there is all that much crime - and for them to have heard something - enough of something that they activated their security alarm... it just seems like it has to be related.

I know, I agree, it is maddening. But why did the dogs not pick up the scent? A third party? But who??? Maddening!

 

[sorrell skye]

He is the next of kin.
I am not sure if there are even any blood relatives here.
They may be planning to send her ashes to NY when they find her.

The interesting part to me was that article said he was forced to be an across the country father when SHE left NY and came out to WA. Her blog very much made it sound like he left his son to go pursue comedy. :waitasec:

That's interesting to me, as well. It provides more info on history.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/Man-returns-from-WA-with-sons-ashes

Quote from article:

"Jay was forced to have a cross-country relationship with Azriel who moved away from WNY with his mom years ago."


Who knows the reason she left NY & her son's bio-dad & returned to the PNW? That was a big decision to make, knowing that Az wouldn't be able to see his dad very often, since they'd be living on opposite coasts.

Nevertheless, it demonstrates a history of leaving, despite the long-term consequences for her son & his relationship with his father.

The more info that emerges, the more a pattern in her history forms.

A history of involvement with a partner who has had DV issues. Her ex-boyfriend was charged with assaulting Az (charges were eventually dropped because it couldn't be determined who had actually assaulted Az - whether the BF or SS).

A history of alcohol abuse. The 2005 DUI/hit & run conviction (where her blood alcohol level was 3 times over the legal limit).

A history of CPS investigations for various reasons, including neglect/lack of supervision of Az due to intoxication. The most recent CPS investigation being April 2009.

Now add the recent revelation that she was the one to leave JC & move back to the PNW, despite the fact that it would mean the boy & his father would not be able to have regular contact due to the geographic distance.

Here's what I wonder right now: Why was it so impossible for the court to determine who had assaulted Az? Why, during that CPS case, did she voluntarily send him to live with relatives (according to the media report)? Did she choose to stay with the boyfriend because she knew he was innocent of the charges (which would imply that she was the guilty one)? Did she choose to stay with the boyfriend even though she knew he had harmed her son, and instead, volunteered to send him to live with relatives? Either scenario is alarming, to say the least.

The more I learn about this woman's history, the more I feel she didn't have her son's best interests in mind.

IMO, she had her own interests in mind. IMO, she was probably leaving again, and unfortunately, little Az has paid the price for her decisions, over & over again, and now - he's paid the ultimate price.

 

[Jules71]

I'm not 100% convinced she was drinking all that much, Lipin.

"Mom hit her head"
possible nausea, vomiting
disorientation
frequent, long stops in vehicle
unable to follow simple directions

I think our girl might have had a nasty concussion. She may have had a few drinks too. I'm not a doctor, but those look like symptoms of a lady with a concussion to me. And those symptoms seem a bit too pronounced for the amount of alcohol we have evidence of.

Just because she may have been drinking, doesn't mean she couldn't have had a concussion too.

from:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/shantina-smileys-disappearance-stumps-cops/story?id=10116896&page=2

Mealy also said that Smiley told her grandfather that she had been in an accident, but that authorities are not sure if she is talking about falling in the diner parking lot or another accident that has not yet been discovered.

If she left Silverdale at 5 PM and drove straight to the first place she was sighted it would have been about 6:30 when she arrived, but she did not show up there until 7:50. RS said she called him at 6:45 so it could be very possible she was in some kind of accident while driving and that is what made her exit and call RS in the first place. Maybe she was shaken up, didn't want to tell RS about the accident she had in his vehicle so she sat in the car for awhile - and then an hour later decided to go to the Handy Pantry to get Az something to eat. This is the first place we see her on camera and she is lost at this point and asking for directions. But one hour earlier she called RS and did not mention she was lost, just that she was somewhere in Olympia.

 

[houndstooth]

The quote of "my mommy hit her head "was at Martin Way Diner by the same waitress that is the ONLY person that stated or mentioned that they thoughtThat SS appeared to be intoxicated.

I am curious as to how or why Az felt the need to explain anything. Did the waitress ask her if she was alright? Did this make SS angry and that's why she got up and left?

 

[houndstooth]

It seemed promising when we heard about the knock, yet the dogs did not pick up a scent.

The relative stated on the twitter that the dogs HAD found something. I saw them in a video trotting along nose to the ground on the paved road for just a split second. So it may be that LE is keeping this close to the vest.

 

[nnglas]

That's interesting to me, as well. It provides more info on history.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/local/Man-returns-from-WA-with-sons-ashes

Quote from article:

"Jay was forced to have a cross-country relationship with Azriel who moved away from WNY with his mom years ago."


Who knows the reason she left NY & her son's bio-dad & returned to the PNW? That was a big decision to make, knowing that Az wouldn't be able to see his dad very often, since they'd be living on opposite coasts.

Nevertheless, it demonstrates a history of leaving, despite the long-term consequences for her son & his relationship with his father.

The more info that emerges, the more a pattern in her history forms.

A history of involvement with partners who have had DV issues. This includes both her ex-boyfriend who was charged with assaulting Az (charges were eventually dropped because it couldn't be determined who had actually assaulted Az), and also RS (IIRC), who had a prior DV charge (according to earlier posts) against his ex (if that info is accurate).

A history of alcohol abuse. The 2005 DUI/hit & run conviction (where her blood alcohol level was 3 times over the legal limit).

A history of CPS investigations for various reasons, including neglect/lack of supervision of Az due to intoxication. The most recent CPS investigation being April 2009.

Now add the recent revelation that she was the one to leave JC & move back to the PNW, despite the fact that it would mean the boy & his father would not be able to have regular contact due to the geographic distance.

Here's what I wonder right now: Why was it so impossible for the court to determine who had assaulted Az? Why, during that CPS case, did she voluntarily send him to live with relatives (according to the media report)? Did she choose to stay with the boyfriend because she knew he was innocent of the charges (which would imply that she was the guilty one)? Did she choose to stay with the boyfriend even though she knew he had harmed her son, and instead, volunteered to send him to live with relatives? Either scenario is alarming, to say the least.

The more I learn about this woman's history, the more I feel she didn't have her son's best interests in mind.

IMO, she had her own interests in mind. IMO, she was probably leaving again, and unfortunately, little Az has paid the price for her decisions, over & over again, and now - he's paid the ultimate price.

I think this may be right. Its seems even with the phone calls that she really had no intention of going to the relatives house after a certain amount of time. Why get the alcohol even? She certainly couldn't show up to her relatives house sloshed.