WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #12

[UKgirl]

All I can say about Julia's friends is they need to explain to her that Sky needs to be brought home and that she needs to tell the truth about what she did to him. It's quite obvious to me that they do not have the best interests of Sky or M in their heart, if they did, they would be begging Julia on their hands and knees every day to tell the truth.

Do the police ask her friends questions. I am only wondering as she has a few friends on her facebook. Also not much has been heard about Julias mother, she is not seen to be actively searching.

 

[belimom]

All I can say about Julia's friends is they need to explain to her that Sky needs to be brought home and that she needs to tell the truth about what she did to him. It's quite obvious to me that they do not have the best interests of Sky or M in their heart, if they did, they would be begging Julia on their hands and knees every day to tell the truth.

Given the reported severity of her OCD and other issues, I don't believe that her friends were really close with her in the normal sense of a functional friendship. MOO

 

[Cubby]

Wasn't there a report, however, that one passerby approximately 20 minutes after JB left the car did not see a child in the car? That appears to shorten the window of opportunity tremendously. There also haven't been any reports of signs that Sky was forcibly removed from the car, or anything else that was amiss to indicate he had been taken. It does lend to curiosity, however, if JB knew such a person lived nearby and chose that location to abandon the car and stage the scene.

MOO

I too initially had the same curiosity until I read this particular offender is NOT required to register, leaving me to believe Julia likely had no way of knowing.

Additionally, since this offender is listed as NOT required to register it leads me to believe he was likely slightly over the legal age and his girl friend was likely slightly under the legal age. Just because he is 21 NOW doesn't mean he was 21 when the offense occured. (interesting how the media leaves that information out of the article.) IMO the media is spinning this calling anyone under the legal age of 16 a child. In fact, because of the tier 1 status, I'd bet money this was a case of a couple with the female being slightly under the legal age of 16.

I'm sure if this person was really a danger to children he would be required to register.

MSM link:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/child-rapist-living-near-where-sky-metalwala-disap/nFkTX/

Age of consent in WA state:

The Washington legal Age of Consent for sexual contact is 16 years old. A total of 31 states have set their age of consent at 16, the lowest age of consent in any state.
http://www.age-of-consent.info/states/Washington

jmo except where linked.

 

[Rougelatete]

BBM

Munchausen Syndrome and Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy are two different things.

From Wikipedia --
Münchausen syndrome is a term for psychiatric disorders known as factitious disorders wherein those affected feign disease, illness, or psychological trauma to draw attention or sympathy to themselves.

Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP) is a label for a pattern of behavior in which care-givers deliberately exaggerate, fabricate, and/or induce physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in others.


Münchausen syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Münchausen syndrome by proxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, I don't know all there is to know about JB, but I really don't see any evidence of either of these disorders. There is almost always a significant trail of medical paperwork documenting multiple visits to medical professionals, hospitals, etc. We haven't heard anything about that. It would be pretty obvious, I think, if JB had either of these.

 

[Cubby]

Yeah.

Sadly, my gut is telling me that this is going to be yet another example of a mom getting away with it. I don't think the police have a clue where his body is, and without that (in my opinion based upon what we know currently) they really do not have a lot to nail her with.

Leaving the kid in the car? I don't think anyone actually believes that she did that this time.

Leaving the kid during mediation? Prove it. She is not required to prove that she did not leave them, they are required to prove that she did. And so far as we know there is not one witness that can testify to this.

Murder? Not a chance. There's no body.

In any case I really hope I am wrong.

BBM, respectfully, I have to disagree. Some here know I am a bit obsessed about no body cases ( at least to the extent of bringing it up, lol). Before deciding no body = no murder conviction please read some of the following links:

http://nobodycases.com/


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/theriault_peter.html


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_ashley.html


TN TN - Ashley LaShay Jones, 4, Memphis, 16 Sept 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Rougelatete]

The thing that makes me the MOST angry about this case is that Sky is missing because his mother left him all ALONE.

The thing that makes me the second-most angry about this case is that I'm seeing the fringes of the father's rights movement using this case to basically say "told you so!" about their absurd and statistically unsupported claims that most domestic violence cases are false and that domestic violence laws need to be weakened.

So it's not enough that JB chose to leave her children in situations where they were unsupervised and thus at risk for harm. Her actions are also going to make it even more difficult for bona fide DV victims to protect their children.

In my opinion, SM was a "bona fide DV victim" and JB used family, doctors, lawyers, the courts, and anyone she could get her hands on to further manipulate and torture SM once he was out of her physical grasp (and the home) -- it was the only way she could still abuse him. I HOPE this case brings to light that men can be abused by women and that the courts (and society) should be careful to not engage in stereotypes when thinking of domestic violence.

Sure, male abusers could use this case to try and further abuse their female victims -- but they were already doing that before this case!

SM had rights, too. So did those poor children. JB pulled the wool over everyone's eyes -- in large part because of stereotypes we use when thinking of who is a domestic violence victim and who is an abuser. And, now look what happened. Hopefully, this case will encourage the legal system to look at trends, themes, and facts in a case from an unbiased and non-gendered view and base legal decisions on those factors, not on suppositions. It's true that women are more likely to be the abused in a heterosexual domestic violence relationship....but that doesn't mean men never are.

 

[Rougelatete]

BBM, respectfully, I have to disagree. Some here know I am a bit obsessed about no body cases ( at least to the extent of bringing it up, lol). Before deciding no body = no murder conviction please read some of the following links:

http://nobodycases.com/


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/theriault_peter.html


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_ashley.html


TN TN - Ashley LaShay Jones, 4, Memphis, 16 Sept 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

You just really educated me, Cubby. And, for that, I thank you! Rock on! :rocker:

ETA, Cubby: Have there been any "no body" cases in which a defendant was convicted with no physical evidence? It seems a lot of the ones you linked to have some kind of blood evidence or something like that that would lead one to believe a crime had been committed even if there was no body.

 

[tlcya]

The thing that makes me the MOST angry about this case is that Sky is missing because his mother left him all ALONE.

The thing that makes me the second-most angry about this case is that I'm seeing the fringes of the father's rights movement using this case to basically say "told you so!" about their absurd and statistically unsupported claims that most domestic violence cases are false and that domestic violence laws need to be weakened.

So it's not enough that JB chose to leave her children in situations where they were unsupervised and thus at risk for harm. Her actions are also going to make it even more difficult for bona fide DV victims to protect their children.

BBM, What angers me most is that Sky is more than likely dead, perhaps because his mother left him and his sister alone unsupervised. Sky is not missing because she left him alone. Sky is missing because his mother is responsible for harm coming to him. Sky is missing because it is the thing to do now once you've killed or neglected your child to the point of death. you simply report him or her missing.

Thanks FICA <sarcasm alert>

 

[Cubby]

The thing that makes me the MOST angry about this case is that Sky is missing because his mother left him all ALONE.

The thing that makes me the second-most angry about this case is that I'm seeing the fringes of the father's rights movement using this case to basically say "told you so!" about their absurd and statistically unsupported claims that most domestic violence cases are false and that domestic violence laws need to be weakened.

So it's not enough that JB chose to leave her children in situations where they were unsupervised and thus at risk for harm. Her actions are also going to make it even more difficult for bona fide DV victims to protect their children.

I have to respectfully disagree. Especially with the assertion that the fathers rights movement has somehow infiltrated WS and is further utilizing this case at this forum to further their agenda.

I'll be honest, and some might find this interesting. I was at one time a member of ACES, association for children for enforcement of support. I still have friends with an IL child support group that helps both mothers and fathers- so BOTH understand their rights. I was also part of a group, some of which were fathers rights activists, to promote EQUAL PARENTING, equal meaning not 50/50 but whatever works best for both parents, provided neither were a danger to the children.

In my case, it IS true that women like Julia toss out a bunch of false allegations, thus in my case, my sons father, who HATES me and sadly hates me more than he loves our son pulled some of the same crap Julia did. Fortunately, I have busted my azz for 8-9 years to learn my rights and the rights of my child. For one reason and one reason only, to protect his right to BOTH parents.

In fact I get to welcome a visit from the police later today, and my sons father, in yet another one of his attempts to bully me and use our son as a pawn. What a way to start off the holiday. It is what it is..... and I suppose family court may be next. However, I do entrust and have the fantastic assistance of one fathers rights activist, with whom I have had heated debates over the Bradley Ammendment and how it relates to child support. However we can and DO put aside some strong differences of opinion for the best interest of the children.

In this case, Julia, like other parents (of both genders) fail to put the children first. Please don't make the assumption anyone sharing thoughts or experiences that related to Sky's case or their personal experiences are one sided on EITHER side of the 'gender war' as I have seen it called.

We are all here for one reason and one reason only and that is for Sky.

Respectfully,
Cubs' - who was once asked if I were a spy from the other side by the FR's :floorlaughfreaked me out at the time because I was not familiar with either side of the issues. I'm just a good old midwestern moderate.

 

[Cubby]

You just really educated me, Cubby. And, for that, I thank you! Rock on! :rocker:

ETA, Cubby: Have there been any "no body" cases in which a defendant was convicted with no physical evidence? It seems a lot of the ones you linked to have some kind of blood evidence or something like that that would lead one to believe a crime had been committed even if there was no body.

You're welcome. No convictions that I am aware of without physical evidence. We don't know what LE has in the way of physical evidence in Sky's case and we wouldn't and shouldn't know until trial, if there is a trial.

I should disclose, I have not read the entire nobody site, but I do like the information he compiled at the site.

There is another case pending trial currently out of Washington DC in which 5 or so defendents are on trial for another no body case, I forget the gal/victims name. the perps, or some of them confessed to dumping this young mother ( with a small child ) body in a landfill and there are no searches planned due to the dangers of searching the dump site. All very sad, and yes, there was also a tremendous amount of physical evidence in this case as well.

hth

 

[cleo612]

In my opinion, SM was a "bona fide DV victim" and JB used family, doctors, lawyers, the courts, and anyone she could get her hands on to further manipulate and torture SM once he was out of her physical grasp (and the home) -- it was the only way she could still abuse him. I HOPE this case brings to light that men can be abused by women and that the courts (and society) should be careful to not engage in stereotypes when thinking of domestic violence.

Sure, male abusers could use this case to try and further abuse their female victims -- but they were already doing that before this case!

SM had rights, too. So did those poor children. JB pulled the wool over everyone's eyes -- in large part because of stereotypes we use when thinking of who is a domestic violence victim and who is an abuser. And, now look what happened. Hopefully, this case will encourage the legal system to look at trends, themes, and facts in a case from an unbiased and non-gendered view and base legal decisions on those factors, not on suppositions. It's true that women are more likely to be the abused in a heterosexual domestic violence relationship....but that doesn't mean men never are.

Not only must the courts (and society) change their gender-biased tunnel-vision, but they must also change their racial biases.

I firmly believe, as it seems our own Gitana does, that because Solomon is of a different ethnic heritage his rights and declarations were not given the same weight as those of Julia's. This is in direct conflict to a system that should be weighing ALL evidence presented and is a surefire means of ensuring that some children and families are going to be subjected to incorrect and fallable rulings by those in authority.

In this instant case, those rulings have most likely resulted in the death of a child who should NEVER have been left in the custody of his white, blonde-haired mother. Given the sheer MOUNTAIN of evidence presented to the court showing that she represented a clear and present danger to the children, I feel that Julia should have been barred from ever having custody of these children and only permitted to see them under supervision, at the minimum.

Many hands are at fault in this case, and I fervently hope that they are all called to task for their decision-making. I can only pray that this will bring about much needed change in the system of how custody determinations are made.

I am certain that nothing will bring precious Sky back to the loving arms of his father--it is likely too late for that. However, I am also certain that there are many more Sky's and M's out there who need to be protected so that we are not, in the future, sleuthing about them.

Changes need to be made, and they need to be made YESTERDAY.

 

[bendrn]

BBM, respectfully, I have to disagree. Some here know I am a bit obsessed about no body cases ( at least to the extent of bringing it up, lol). Before deciding no body = no murder conviction please read some of the following links:

http://nobodycases.com/


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/theriault_peter.html


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_ashley.html


TN TN - Ashley LaShay Jones, 4, Memphis, 16 Sept 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Hi Cubby and all,

What brought me to websleuths to start with was looking for answers when my coworker was murdered by her husband. He was recently found guilty of murder, and we were never able to find her body.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154971&highlight=blaylock

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119077&highlight=blaylock

Sorry to link to off-topic events, but was reading the notes about "no body = no murder".

But see, sometimes, a conviction without a body DOES happen. I believe it depends a lot on proper evidence collection, good lawyering, good testimony, and a jury with a heart.

I have no idea what LE's strategy is for sweet little Sky. I have to commend their persistence and dedication, though.

 

[Chris_Texas]

BBM, respectfully, I have to disagree. Some here know I am a bit obsessed about no body cases ( at least to the extent of bringing it up, lol). Before deciding no body = no murder conviction please read some of the following links:

http://nobodycases.com/


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/theriault_peter.html


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jones_ashley.html


TN TN - Ashley LaShay Jones, 4, Memphis, 16 Sept 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks!

 

[cluciano63]

You're welcome. No convictions that I am aware of without physical evidence. We don't know what LE has in the way of physical evidence in Sky's case and we wouldn't and shouldn't know until trial, if there is a trial.

I should disclose, I have not read the entire nobody site, but I do like the information he compiled at the site.

There is another case pending trial currently out of Washington DC in which 5 or so defendents are on trial for another no body case, I forget the gal/victims name. the perps, or some of them confessed to dumping this young mother ( with a small child ) body in a landfill and there are no searches planned due to the dangers of searching the dump site. All very sad, and yes, there was also a tremendous amount of physical evidence in this case as well.

hth

At one time I did read that entire "no body" site...and there were very few, if any, cases that went to court without a confession or a crime scene showing signs of violence. At at stretch, there may have been a case or two when the suspect had a record of abusing the person previously. But almost no children...it seems to be even more difficult for LE to prove a child is dead than a missing adult, perhaps because there are people who would take a child, vs. an adult. JMO

 

[Camille]

In my experience, I believe partially due to thousands of unsubstantiated abuse allegations, the courts do get it wrong. Parents who are desperate to keep their child safe from someone they know to be dangerous are forced by the system to follow rules, attend classes and mediation, and allow contact without interference all to retain their current custodial status. I had to allow my ex visitation...but the thought he might kill them only to hurt me haunted me constantly. Yet had I refused I could have lost custody altogether to him. It is frightening how broken our system truly is.

Yes they very often DO get it wrong and yet Solomon wasn't even allowed supervised visitations. Are there any links to what took place between them other than Solomon's complaint? I've read a lot of posts but not all of them of course and I could have missed something.

 

[Camille]

Given the sheer MOUNTAIN of evidence presented to the court showing that she represented a clear and present danger to the children, I feel that Julia should have been barred from ever having custody of these children and only permitted to see them under supervision, at the minimum.

Do you have links as to what evidence was presented? I've read Solomon's complaint but I haven't see anything else and am very interested in reading it. TIA

 

[gitana1]

You just really educated me, Cubby. And, for that, I thank you! Rock on! :rocker:

ETA, Cubby: Have there been any "no body" cases in which a defendant was convicted with no physical evidence? It seems a lot of the ones you linked to have some kind of blood evidence or something like that that would lead one to believe a crime had been committed even if there was no body.

I think I remember one where the wasn't any physical evidence even showing that a death had occurred, but I can't find it and in all the cases I can find, there was either a confession, tons of evidence of struggle and/or serious bodily harm (like blood all over) and/or witness statements, like from a sibling who saw the body of the victim taped up and then dumped.

I think in this case, physical evidence of some kind, or a witness statement or confession is a must. But these days, the perps really seem to have learned to keep their mouths shut. So, I worry about the outcome here, as I do in the Susan Powell case, Aliayah Lunsford, Stacy Peterson, Haleigh Cummings, Kyron Horman and other cases.

But, they are still searching, still investigating, still employing strategy to get Julia to slip and she still has mental issues that might make it very hard for her not to divulge something, somehow, at some point. So, I have hope yet.

 

[gitana1]

Do you have links as to what evidence was presented? I've read Solomon's complaint but I haven't see anything else and am very interested in reading it. TIA

There is not a link where you can view it. But the court docket reveals that Julia's medical records were examined by the court. Usually, such records are privileged. So Solomon would have had to make a case that her mental health status was at issue. He did make that case, stating in his declaration that her records would support his allegations and outlining what he believed her issues to be. Apparently, he made his case well enough that the court did examine those records, because they are listed (but sealed).

Besides that, LE and CPS records of the investigation into abuse of the children by Solomon and his LDT results were likely examined via a child custody evaluation or investigation and/or a domestic violence investigation.

Despite having what he and his lawyer claim support his allegations and refute hers, the court granted her a dv ro against him and dismissed the one he had against her, protecting the kids at the beginning.

News reports and Solomon and his attorney's statements indicate that this was in part due to the fact that Julia had seen a therapist, who had never spoken to Solomon nor addressed his claims that she threatened to kill herself and strangle Sky, yet that therapist stated Julia, while mentally ill, could still be an effective, safe parent.

 

[GARV]

I guess the massive 9/5 upload of pictures could be a reaction to the looming mediation date. Even if Sky was still around at that time, she might have been feeling the pressure. I don't know how court dates work, but maybe that was around the time when she got notification of a firm date for the mediation appt? IDK.

Her symptoms seem to vary, and sometimes maybe she is functioning better than other times. This is something I noticed in SM's declaration, that there were times when her symptoms were less debilitating.

The summer of 2011 seems like it might have been a "good" time. There are pictures of outings with the children, Costco and some kind of large grassy field near the apt, visiting at Grandma SJ's house, kids playing in the back yard there. The kids looks older and thinner, but both active and playing. That's also when JB reportedly set up her sugar baby acct, so she had a plan, was being proactive.

Maybe in Sep she just started feeling more boxed in, less hopeful. Looming court date. SM had passed his polygraph in Jan and responded to her contempt charge with his Declaration that we've all read, and she knows she's not going to be able to come up with anything to prevent him from having visitation. So, stress, and she starts monkeying around with her Flickr album which might have started to become another obsession, rearranging the pictures to create a new and improved reality. Messing around with the dates, creating new facts. During this time, early fall, I'm guessing she's also withdrawing from other people, nobody sees her much, she's in that little apartment with 2 kids, no car, no money, maybe no bites from a sugar daddy, and the pictures are becoming her new reality.

She falls apart in times of stress. The first time during her first preg when their business first started going downhill b/c of a new competitor; the second time during her second unplanned pregnancy when their financial life and business were tanking, they were falling behind on their house.

So then Sep, looming court date and she has no control over anything other than her kids, her apt, and her wacky Flickr acct.

Depending on which source you believe, Sky's birthday was 9/2 (Friday). 9/5 was Memorial Day Monday. Now I know JB doesn't work, so its not like this was a rare day off for her and she took the opportunity to empty her SD card onto Flickr like most working parents might.

What makes me the most sad is that apparently Sky's birthday was not marked in any manner. I could just cry for hours for the little boy that apparently was not wanted by his mother. :tears:

 

[Chris_Texas]

The thing that makes me the MOST angry about this case is that Sky is missing because his mother left him all ALONE.

The thing that makes me the second-most angry about this case is that I'm seeing the fringes of the father's rights movement using this case to basically say "told you so!" about their absurd and statistically unsupported claims that most domestic violence cases are false and that domestic violence laws need to be weakened. So it's not enough that JB chose to leave her children in situations where they were unsupervised and thus at risk for harm. Her actions are also going to make it even more difficult for bona fide DV victims to protect their children.

Respectfully...

I have not see one person say or suggest anything of the sort and would be astonished if I did. What I have seen, and have suggested myself, is that it is time to end the double standard, not only in regards to how custody is determined or how CPS reviews abuse allegations, but all the way to the stereotyped assumptions people seem to make in terms of innocence and guilt in criminal cases.

Recognizing stereotypes and unequal outcomes in these narrow areas does NOT equate to a belief that abuse is not real or that women in general are not getting an a raw deal in our misogynystic society overall.