WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #13

[maedlamsmom]

So, I am new to the boards, but have been following the case and this thread since the beginning. My mom has extreme OCD, and so much of what has been said about Julia in relation to her disorder is familiar to me. Although, my mother was very loving and nurturing, in spite of her illness, I cannot help but hear the truth in everything SM has said. One line from his statement (sorry I do not have the link handy, but it is within previous posts), was that Julia just wanted a pill and did not want to undergo any other treatment. This was true of my mom too. Treatment for OCD typically entails behavior therapy, which can mean confronting your obsessions/compulsions directly, until the patient is, in essence, desensitized to the fear. Because of the anticipation of the anxiety this would create, my mother is still exhibiting the same rituals and behaviors she has been battling for 35 years. She too underwent EST, with minimal effect so it was not surprising to hear the info about Julia's (alleged) experience in Russia.
Also, I personally think the the whole sugar daddy deal was an attempt for Julia to be able to continue to engage in her rituals, without having to work. My mom was on disability for years bc it would have been virtually impossible for her to work outside of the home. I believe Julia couldn't take that route bc doing so would have made it necessary to admit she was ill, something that may have impacted the custody case.
I do believe that Julia has other issues besides OCD, but I just wanted to point out that IMO, and my experience growing up with a obsessive compulsive parent gives credence to everything SM has said. The "rules" by which a person with this disorder live do not make sense at all and can even change from day to day. It does not seem odd to me at all that SM would allow his life to be dictated by Julia's disorder, either. When the person you love will experience true pain and suffering if you do not follow what seem to be simple rules, you are willing to do it, at first. But, then, little by little, the cumulative effect of OCD on your life begins to come into focus, and only then do you say, "holy cr**! What kind of life am I living?"
I personally believe Julia did something to Sky. I hope I am wrong. I believe SM. She was sick and was not dealing with it. She, IMO, never bonded with her youngest, perhaps bc she was too far gone inside her various mental illnesses...

 

[Shelby2]

I can't quote from here but wanted to address a few posts. Why are we wondering about her IP address and if she can be tracked, does LE not know where she is?
About Sky being sent out of the country-on the radio show from the other night SM's attorney said that she had asked if she could take the kids to Russia, request denied. Then she asked if she could take them to Scottsdale, AZ. (denied).
In the audio from 'exchange from hell' did anyone notice the comments "Oh see you got it sweetheart! You're such a good sweetheart!" (or something very similar to that. I think JB was saying it to M in the car after M refused to go with SM.
Even though M said or may have said 'daddy is mean' she also said things that typically a 4 year old would not say, like 'daddy took our car'-it sounds more like she was repeating what she had heard, or what someone had specifically told her.

 

[Melanie]

Thank you, Maedlamsmom. Great fiirst post and...

WELCOME!

Mel

 

[Shelby2]

Thank you, Maedlamsmom. Great fiirst post and...

WELCOME!

Mel

Was going to say the same thing, and welcome!

 

[maedlamsmom]

I also want to add that i have been searching various online OCD support forums for Julia0381 and the like to try to determine if she frequented these. She seemed to have a strong online presence, maybe bc she was so homebound (apparently). Also, when I was on bed rest during my pregnancy, I was really into a website and forum that a lot of moms use. It's pretty well know, but as I am kind of unfamiliar with the tos here, I don't want to name it. But, I did notice in my "sluething" that Julia's friend SO "liked" the site on her Facebook. So, maybe Julia did too.
Also, I think that Julia requesting the use of her brother's car for ten days is a big clue, just not sure how. It just seems so odd, that she would suddenly ask to borrow her brother's car after going without transportation for so long (SM had the only family car since the separation). Had she done this before? I think it's a redflag.

 

[maedlamsmom]

Thanks for welcome! I have to say, you guys are the most friendly, respectful and thoughtful people I have ever seen on a forum!

 

[Cubby]

Welcome to WS Maedlamsmom! :welcome:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Thank you, Maedlamsmom. Great fiirst post and...

WELCOME!

Mel

Welcome!

 

[gitana1]

And let her be abused in the meantime because she has now likely forfeited custody to Solomon? Her chances for even joint legal custody are remote, in my opinion. I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense to me.

I cannot think like Julia but getting the kids away from an abuser and keeping them away is something I've been through myself - and the very fact that she is so ready to hand over custody of her daughter rather than allowing her to remain in foster care - where she is presumably safe - further dispels her abuse allegations in my opinion.

ETA: If her attorney were acting against her wishes there are serious ethical infractions at play and the attorney would face censure of some sort I am certain. (Gitana will tell me if I'm wrong ). Further she has not fired her attorney to my knowledge. I'd do a lot more than fire mine if they tried to give my children to the person who abused us. JMO

Yes. She cannot act against her client's wishes. That is an ethical violation and can get an attorney into a ton of trouble.

When Solomon and his attorney were on Nancy Grace and Nancy asked if Solomon took a second poly, he said YES, but they would not discuss the results of the test.

OK, Solomon Metalwala is with us right now, joining us out of Seattle. He`s been leading the search for his son. Solomon, you voluntarily agreed to take a second polygraph after your first one was inconclusive. Did you take a poly?

SOLOMON METALWALA, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: Yes.

GRACE: Well, good for you. Did you go to police headquarters to do it?

METALWALA: No. We went to the FBI headquarters. (INAUDIBLE) say?

LESLIE CLAY TERRY III, SOLOMON METALWALA`S ATTORNEY: Yes, FBI.

GRACE: Oh, I see. So Clay, you guys went to the FBI?

TERRY: Yes, we went down to the FBI headquarters in Seattle at their request. It was not taken by the Bellevue Police Department.

GRACE: Good to know. Solomon, did they ask you generally the same questions they asked you last time?

METALWALA: I believe we`re not supposed to discuss that right now.

GRACE: What about that, Clay Terry?

TERRY: Yes, we`ve made agreement not to discuss the polygraph, for reasons which we`ll disclose later.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/14/ng.01.html

I speculated before that they may be hiding the second poly results for tactical reasons. I'd love to know what's up.

Weird. I'm not sure why she did.that other.than to get her out in order to take her. Thing I don't get is if she was going to.take her.why not take.them.both when she had the.chance? I'm confused on that one. Thanks for.the article ....I did learn that mm said that her dad was.mean to both cps and her foster parents though.

Maybe because she didn't hide Sky. Maybe because she killed him instead. Are you aware that she accused Solomon of molesting the daughter? Don't you think that she would be the first one hidden if she was worried about their safety?

Also, she had a restraining order against him and he was not allowed any visitation for 10 months at the time of Sky's disappearance. Then, she agreed to allowing him visitation at a mediation that occurred five days before Sky was reported missing. Why would she agree to visitation if she was so afraid for her kids?

Finally, as others have said, it is very hard to get children out of the country undetected. The FBI is tracking this case. The police have said the investigation has taken them around the world, yet they have found nothing to suggest that Sky is not right "in their backyard". I think the FBI has the resources to track whether one of her kids was flown out of the country, even if via Canada. They have not found such evidence, however.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I was just trying to catch up reading this thread. After a day of family, fun, and food, my mind and eyes are not real focused. I may have missed that this article was mentioned. But here is an article I found:

RedmondReporter.com

"Missing toddler's parents alleged abuse, neglect against each other part 2.

 

[lauriej]

I was just trying to catch up reading this thread. After a day of family, fun, and food, my mind and eyes are not real focused. I may have missed that this article was mentioned. But here is an article I found:

RedmondReporter.com

"Missing toddler's parents alleged abuse, neglect against each other part 2.

..link to your article:

http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/134429073.html

Missing toddler's parents alleged abuse, neglect against each other | Part 2
November 23/2011

http://www.kirklandreporter.com/news/134426738.html
Investigators still haven't ruled out missing toddler's parents, who struggled with heated past | Part 1
November 23/2011

 

[bendrn]

..link to your article:

http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/134429073.html

Missing toddler's parents alleged abuse, neglect against each other | Part 2
November 23/2011

http://www.kirklandreporter.com/news/134426738.html
Investigators still haven't ruled out missing toddler's parents, who struggled with heated past | Part 1
November 23/2011

Speechless.

 

[bendrn]

Just have to say, coming back to this, that JB is known to have coached M on saying things already. "I want to kill mylelf, You took Mommy's condo, etc." So I don't put it past her to have coached M to tell about being beaten with a wooden spoon.

Still firmly in SM's camp at this point. In no way do I believe him to be perfect. But I can see where that losing one's home and wife and children could definitely cause arguing and yelling, which is what I assume?? the noise complaints were about, outside of the marathon late-night vacuuming sessions.

What a mess. I hope M has access to a wonderful psychiatrist.

 

[gitana1]

From the link:

The issues with Biryukova’s mental state came to a head on March 10, 2010 when the couple officially separated, thanks to an incident involving police.
According to a Bellevue police report, Biryukova made suicidal threats via text message to Solomon. He called police because she was home alone with 6-month-old Sky.
Biryukova wrote: “Please, please I’m begging with my whole heart help me find a peaceful way to die. I cannot live ANOTHER day and cause you, M and Sky anymore suffering. I’m dead inside anyway and have been dead for a long time. You will not miss me at all and M and Sky have the best daddy in the world so I know they will be okay …”
She admitted to police that she was suicidal, the report continued.
Biryukova later stated at a psychiatric facility that she threatened suicide to get her husband’s attention, the documents state. She was then involuntarily committed at Overlake Hospital and then Navos in West Seattle.
When she was admitted to Navos, she was found to have a Global Assesment of Functioning (GAF) score of 15. When she was released, she had a GAF score of 40.

http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/134429073.html

 

[gitana1]

I also notice how Julia accuses anyone, not just her husband, of having an ulterior motive or of being wrong, when they state she has problems:

Her first psychiatrist put Biryukova on anti-depressants during her pregnancy with Sky, despite her objections.
In court documents, Biryukova argued that her psychiatrist had a “history of prescribing powerful psychiatric medications to people who do not require them.”

Dr. Stephen a. Sholl, a clinical psychologist in Seattle, said in a July 2, 2010 statement: “Although Ms. Biryukova is dealing with a severe form of OCD, I do not believe that this interferes with her ability to be a compassionate, effective parent to her children.”
In court records filed on Sept. 23, 2010, Julia declares: “I do not suffer from severe OCD and I never have.”

 

[BritsKate]

From the Redmond Reporter link:

But according to Biryukova, the couple’s marriage began to breakdown in 2009 when she learned of their financial issues.“This is the time when my husband’s anger and his true character began to show.”

Quite honestly that was the first inkling for me that her claims of abuse may be generated for leverage in her divorce. I'm quite certain he was angry, frustrated and quite possibly heated exchanges occurred that often do during the breakdown of a marriage. Domestic violence does not suddenly occur over a decade into a relationship in my opinion and experience.

The thing about abusers is that they are angry almost constantly - that is their true character. They spend their entire existence acting and pretending to the contrary.

It doesn't help bring Sky back home but I do find it interesting so many DV survivors in this thread disbelieve JB's claims - in most cases I am fervently the opposite - Susan Powell, Summer Inman, Venus Stewart. I just can't see in this case what is so apparent for me in others though.

 

[Madilu]

how would she have been pushed over the edge? seems as though julia's problems have nothing to do with solomon since she apparently had issues since she was a child. i don't see any evidence at all besides julia's words, and we all know she's a proven liar, that solomon was physically and verbally abusive towards her. this is a woman who claimed that solomon had sexually abused her daughter, yet wanted him to have custody of her rather than go to foster care. this is a woman who lied to the police about running out of gas, and lied about solomon being a muslim even though he's a christian. based on her history of proven mental illness and web of lies, we are now somehow to believe her story of abuse against the dad? why do we need to keep giving her a pass or keep giving her an excuse for making her child disappear? there are plenty of mothers out there who have been abused by their husbands but have never killed or abused their own children. if it had been solomon who had lost/murdered sky on his watch, i'm sure neither you or anyone else here would be giving him a pass or an excuse at all.

I do not mean to be argumentative, and it seems clear to me that you are perhaps quite angry at this situation. We are all sore about it.

But to be fair, with an attempt at some sort of neutrality,

1) We do NOT KNOW that she is a "proven" liar. I believe at this juncture that it's merely an educated guess on our part. If she were a "proven" liar, as you say, then she would be arrested by now. I firmly believe that she is NOT a 'proven' liar.
2) At this point, we do not know the full story as to any alleged abuse, tho I agree that if she alleged that Dad was an abuser, then she would not be in her right mind to choose him for physical custody over other temporary custody (CPS). Here's the other notion about that situation tho ...where did that info come from? HIS atty? Hardly neutral. I have seen no MSM documentation, so...

3) In regard to, "history of proven mental illness and web of lies" As of today, I have only essentially heresy of any mental illness, based, yet again primarily on SM's declaration (which most of us find to be credible) -there have been allusions to other instances of documentation, but nothing that I have seen with my own eyes. In other words, I have seen no independent, neutral reports whatsoever that, "prove" a history of mental illness, or even lies. If we were to try to take a neutral stance, we would be hard pressed, I believe -given that we have not seen any declarations from her side.


We do not know for a fact that she is a "proven liar" -it is, at least in my mind mere rational speculation and educated guesses and hypothesis. It is true that what she says defies logic and common sense. But, how exactly do we define, "FACT?" That said, a lot of what opinions are based on, and I admit that mine are too, are on Solomon's declaration. However, keep in mind, that this is not FACT. This is his viewpoint. And one that he declared under oath. Which carries some weight, I believe Surely we have determined it to be credible based on a number of factors. But, keep in mind that we have NOT see Julia's declarations regarding the situation.

At this point, we can either try to keep fitting her into our ideas as to what "must have happened" given the mere FACTOIDS that we know, or perhaps... keep stretching the imagination to sleuth out and include other possibilities as new information comes forward. FTR, at this juncture and base on the facts and factoids that i have seen, I do believe that she is behind the see-kreeting of Sky. I am at the same time trying to open up to other options, albeit not coming up with much:-(

 

[rosemary]

Bellevue Police Major Mike Johnson told reporters that Biryukova acknowledged a history of leaving the children alone for extended periods of time. Court documents also show details of Solomon leaving the children home alone as well.

so would this be the reason why solomon lost custody of his children? but if that was so, why did they not bother to check up on julia to check whether she was neglecting them as well? this story just seems to get stranger and stranger. i still don't believe that julia's story is reliable since she has said so many lies already, but i'm curious about those court documents about solomon leaving his children alone at home. didn't he live with his family when he separated from julia so he might have had family members looking after his children then?

 

[Madilu]

Actually, you can scrap my entire post rosemary (and all). I am just thinking that the only thing we really, really KNOW FOR SURE is that Sky Metalwala is missing. That's all.

 

[hollyblue]

I believe only the first polygraph was inconsistent - the results from the second have not been released. He did pass a polygraph about the abuse allegations and a judge ruled the allegations unfounded. Both parties filed restraining orders against one another fwiw.

The RO was issued after father filed for divorce. Smooth Operator wrote a heckuva post upthread outlining the court actions.

M was placed in foster care after Sky went missing and Julia admitted leaving him alone in the car unattended. If the abuse allegations are true than Julia confused a lot of us when her attorney requested Solomon be granted custody of M instead of her remaining in foster care. The father she claimed was sexually abusing their daughter? :waitasec:

IMO, highly unlikely Sky is in Russia. Even on a falsified passport (we know Sky was not issued one and prohibitions on travel were ordered by the court) he would still need a visa to enter Russia. A custodial order granting permission to remove the child is necessary when applying for a visa.

JMHO

He would not need a visa according to this Consulate General of Ukraine website. Probably so for Russia, JM was from Ukraine.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to the decrees of the President of Ukraine VISA-FREE REGIME has been established for citizens of the following countries:
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]United States of America[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]​

Citizens of the above-mentioned countries do not need visas to enter Ukraine or transit through its territory for the period of time of up to 90 days with a valid travel passport.

http://www.ukrconsul.org/visa/Ukraine Drops Visa Requirement For US Citizens.htm