WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #13

[Donjeta]

I also notice how Julia accuses anyone, not just her husband, of having an ulterior motive or of being wrong, when they state she has problems:

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Her first psychiatrist put Biryukova on anti-depressants during her pregnancy with Sky, despite her objections.
In court documents, Biryukova argued that her psychiatrist had a “history of prescribing powerful psychiatric medications to people who do not require them.”

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Dr. Stephen a. Sholl, a clinical psychologist in Seattle, said in a July 2, 2010 statement: “Although Ms. Biryukova is dealing with a severe form of OCD, I do not believe that this interferes with her ability to be a compassionate, effective parent to her children.”
In court records filed on Sept. 23, 2010, Julia declares: “I do not suffer from severe OCD and I never have.”

I think that very close to 100 % of all psychiatrists have a history of prescribing powerful medications to people who don't need them if you just ask the right patients... in some psychiatric disease groups there is always a significant proportion of people who are convinced that there is nothing wrong with them. Particularly the ones who are committed involuntarily tend to be like that... because if they realized that they need help they could be seeking it voluntarily.

 

[rosemary]

I do not mean to be argumentative, and it seems clear to me that you are perhaps quite angry at this situation. We are all sore about it.

But to be fair, with an attempt at some sort of neutrality,

1) We do NOT KNOW that she is a "proven" liar. I believe at this juncture that it's merely an educated guess on our part. If she were a "proven" liar, as you say, then she would be arrested by now. I firmly believe that she is NOT a 'proven' liar.

how is she not a proven liar?

in court records filed on Sept. 23, 2010, Julia declares: “I do not suffer from severe OCD and I never have.” this is despite her own psychiatrists diagnosing her as suffering from OCD, and having a gaf score of 15.

she claimed that her ex husband solomon was a muslim despite the majority of credible sources claiming that he is christian.

she claimed that her car ran out of gas to explain why she supposedly left her child alone in the car, but the police have checked and stated that the car still had plenty of fuel left in it.

why would julia be arrested just because she may have lied about her claims? i thought it would take more than lies and half truths to arrest someone, especially if they still cannot find sky or find any evidence that could determine what julia actually did to him.

2) At this point, we do not know the full story as to any alleged abuse, tho I agree that if she alleged that Dad was an abuser, then she would not be in her right mind to choose him for physical custody over other temporary custody (CPS). Here's the other notion about that situation tho ...where did that info come from? HIS atty? Hardly neutral. I have seen no MSM documentation, so...

she fought long and hard to take away the kids from their dad, even to the point of getting a restraining order against him. she was sane and lucid enough to document the supposed abuse that the dad committed against his children. She was also sane enough to hire a criminal defense lawyer to avoid talking to the police about sky's disappearance, yet she apparently is so out of her mind that she would willingly hand over her beloved daughter to her abuser?

3) In regard to, "history of proven mental illness and web of lies" As of today, I have only essentially heresy of any mental illness, based, yet again primarily on SM's declaration (which most of us find to be credible) -there have been allusions to other instances of documentation, but nothing that I have seen with my own eyes. In other words, I have seen no independent, neutral reports whatsoever that, "prove" a history of mental illness, or even lies. If we were to try to take a neutral stance, we would be hard pressed, I believe -given that we have not seen any declarations from her side.

according to numerous reports, julia had a gaf score of 15 when she was involuntarily admitted into a psychiatric hospital. the police have a record of her text message stating that she wanted to kill herself, and according to at least one report cps had verified with the dad that julia would not allow any food to enter the house. her own psychiatrists have said she suffered from ocd, her own mother apparently claimed she had problems, if we are to believe this latest report. even if we may not have seen the declarations from her side, there are apparently others who have and they have reported what they found in her statements.

We do not know for a fact that she is a "proven liar" -it is, at least in my mind mere rational speculation and educated guesses and hypothesis. It is true that what she says defies logic and common sense. But, how exactly do we define, "FACT?" That said, a lot of what opinions are based on, and I admit that mine are too, are on Solomon's declaration. However, keep in mind, that this is not FACT. This is his viewpoint. And one that he declared under oath. Which carries some weight, I believe Surely we have determined it to be credible based on a number of factors. But, keep in mind that we have NOT see Julia's declarations regarding the situation.

i'm not even talking about solomon here. it was the police themselves who have shown her to be the liar when they proved that, contrary to her claims, her car had not run out of gas.

 

[rosemary]

Actually, you can scrap my entire post rosemary (and all). I am just thinking that the only thing we really, really KNOW FOR SURE is that Sky Metalwala is missing. That's all.

yes sky is missing and this case is frustrating me since i haven't heard any updates at all. i know the police may have their reasons, but the longer this goes on, the more i get worried that this might turn out to be another case of kyron horman.

sorry if i sounded a bit angry, like i said, it's just the frustration i get when i see parents who refuse to cooperate with the police to help find their kids. these missing children's stories really get to me.

 

[BritsKate]

He would not need a visa according to this Consulate General of Ukraine website. Probably so for Russia, JM was from Ukraine.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to the decrees of the President of Ukraine VISA-FREE REGIME has been established for citizens of the following countries:
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]United States of America[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]​

Citizens of the above-mentioned countries do not need visas to enter Ukraine or transit through its territory for the period of time of up to 90 days with a valid travel passport.

http://www.ukrconsul.org/visa/Ukraine Drops Visa Requirement For US Citizens.htm

I realise JB is Ukrainian but it is Russia that continues to be mentioned. Russia and the Ukraine have different entry clearance procedures. Russia is not a VWP country meaning a visa is required just to get into the country. Ukraine does entertain VWP however the 90 days is key. If someone were moving Sky to the Ukraine he would most assuredly need a visa. Even with the VWP the tricky bit is still a valid passport.

When entering a VWP country you are stopped by border control and asked where you are staying, whom you are traveling with, the purpose and length of your visit, and you are expected to show intent of departure, such as a return ticket. Refusal, avoidance or inability to do so could cause you to be denied entry.

Anything is possible, I guess, but I still believe a legitimate removal from the States is highly unlikely just based on my experiences having done it.

 

[rosemary]

sorry if i keep bringing this up, but does anyone else find it curious that according to court documents, solomon also left his children home alone as well? would this have been the reason why cps and the judge denied solomon custody of M?

 

[CarmelEyesD]

sorry if i keep bringing this up, but does anyone else find it curious that according to court documents, solomon also left his children home alone as well? would this have been the reason why cps and the judge denied solomon custody of M?

I wouldn't really think so as they gave custody to Julia.

 

[jjenny]

I don't believe she would send the boy out of the country anyway. She had two children, and is attached to her daughter. But daughter didn't go missing. Now she lost custody of that daughter. So it really doesn't make any sense.

 

[hollyblue]

I also want to add that i have been searching various online OCD support forums for Julia0381 and the like to try to determine if she frequented these. She seemed to have a strong online presence, maybe bc she was so homebound (apparently). Also, when I was on bed rest during my pregnancy, I was really into a website and forum that a lot of moms use. It's pretty well know, but as I am kind of unfamiliar with the tos here, I don't want to name it. But, I did notice in my "sluething" that Julia's friend SO "liked" the site on her Facebook. So, maybe Julia did too.
Also, I think that Julia requesting the use of her brother's car for ten days is a big clue, just not sure how. It just seems so odd, that she would suddenly ask to borrow her brother's car after going without transportation for so long (SM had the only family car since the separation). Had she done this before? I think it's a redflag.

BBM

Sick thought, but could JB possibly have had the children hidden in the trunk to cross into Canada. I wouldn't put anything past her and her telling little MM it was a game, etc. She passes Sky to someone and returns home with MM? My only problem with this scenario is--- would JB be able to manipulate MM in some way to keep it quiet?

 

[rosemary]

I wouldn't really think so as they gave custody to Julia.

yes but after sky went missing, the judge and cps still prevented solomon from getting custody of his daughter. i'm just thinking that they might have also based their decision on evidence that solomon also had left his children home alone. it's just sickening how, if this is the case, both little sky and m did not have anyone in their lives who gave a dam* about their well being. if what the report states is true, i do not think that either parent deserves to have custody of their daughter at all.

 

[BritsKate]

Canada isn't impossible, Holly, but it would be an awfully big risk in my opinion. If Sky weren't in the trunk she could have been asked for his birth certificate and possibly a custodial order granting her permission to remove him from the US. If he were in the trunk (dear god please not another one ) border control could have asked to see the contents of the trunk. Last time I drove to Canada (Windsor) from the States I had my car searched. I don't know what the protocol is but I swear I was innocent! :angel:

 

[BritsKate]

yes but after sky went missing, the judge and cps still prevented solomon from getting custody of his daughter. i'm just thinking that they might have also based their decision on evidence that solomon also had left his children home alone. it's just sickening how, if this is the case, both little sky and m did not have anyone in their lives who gave a dam* about their well being. if what the report states is true, i do not think that either parent deserves to have custody of their daughter at all.

Probably an article I missed but I have not read that he left the kids home alone. All I know of is the isolated (yet still repulsive) incident when Sky was left in the car at approximately 3 months old.

Apparently the reason M has not been placed with SM:

However, CPS caseworker Heidi Stull said the agency had concerns about allegations the parents have filed against each other during their contentious divorce. She said the agency also was concerned about her brother's disappearance.

Stull said CPS officials have learned Biryukova has left her children alone for extended periods in the past. She also cited the incident in 2009 when the parents left Sky, then 3 months old, alone in their car in a Target store parking lot. The parents were cited for reckless endangerment.

In addition, Stull said, M told CPS workers and a foster mother that her "dad was mean."

More at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016724529_missing10m.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that these reporters have only got the Target issue that's it!! That's all they've got on Solomon.. Pitiful reporting as usual.. Just as their incorrect reporting of Solomon failing the question did he bruise his daughters back.. Nope, he passed flying colors that he did not physically or sexually abuse his kids. The question he failed was did he know who put the bruises on the kids.. He answered no and that's the question he failed.. Due to his knowing in his mind and heart it wS Julia who inflicted the bruises.. So there are incorrect details in here.. And that's exactly what that is about him leaving the kids at home.. Incorrect.. The only time they've got on him is the Target incident..*shrug*

Where is Sky Elijah, JULIA??????

 

[rosemary]

Probably an article I missed but I have not read that he left the kids home alone. All I know of is the isolated (yet still repulsive) incident when Sky was left in the car at approximately 3 months old.

Apparently the reason M has not been placed with SM:


More at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016724529_missing10m.html

I read the info from here: http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/134429073.html

Bellevue Police Major Mike Johnson told reporters that Biryukova acknowledged a history of leaving the children alone for extended periods of time. Court documents also show details of Solomon leaving the children home alone as well.

i wonder if that particular info, if it's credible, might have also influenced the judge's decision not to allow solomon to have custody of his daughter. if the court documents are credible, i now have a reason to suspect that solomon may have been less than honest in his interviews. he stated he went to parenting classes and learned his lesson, and never committed the same mistake again, yet there's apparently a court document detailing solomon leaving his kids alone at home.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Poor little MM.. I can only imagine what her little mind has been subjected to in almost a years time of unfettered access Julia had of her to put horrendous thoughts in her little mind.. All for self gain, Julia!! Sick!!

 

[rosemary]

I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that these reporters have only got the Target issue that's it!! That's all they've got on Solomon.. Pitiful reporting as usual.. Just as their incorrect reporting of Solomon failing the question did he bruise his daughters back.. Nope, he passed flying colors that he did not physically or sexually abuse his kids. The question he failed was did he know who put the bruises on the kids.. He answered no and that's the question he failed.. Due to his knowing in his mind and heart it wS Julia who inflicted the bruises.. So there are incorrect details in here.. And that's exactly what that is about him leaving the kids at home.. Incorrect.. The only time they've got on him is the Target incident..*shrug*

Where is Sky Elijah, JULIA??????

since we don't have the files that the reporter has access to, i don't think we should discount his claim as well. there might be more to this story than we know of, and that claim might be accurate. given their history of leaving their baby alone in the car at night, i don't find it hard to believe at all.

 

[BritsKate]

I read the info from here: http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/134429073.html



i wonder if that particular info, if it's credible, might have also influenced the judge's decision not to allow solomon to have custody of his daughter. if the court documents are credible, i now have a reason to suspect that solomon may have been less than honest in his interviews. he stated he went to parenting classes and learned his lesson, and never committed the same mistake again, yet there's apparently a court document detailing solomon leaving his kids alone at home.

I scanned it, even quoted from it, but missed it. :blushing: Thank you! Unfortunately I think this may be a wait and see ourselves scenario. I really wish we had access to the court documents and not just the docket.

 

[Bree0372]

yes but after sky went missing, the judge and cps still prevented solomon from getting custody of his daughter. i'm just thinking that they might have also based their decision on evidence that solomon also had left his children home alone. it's just sickening how, if this is the case, both little sky and m did not have anyone in their lives who gave a dam* about their well being. if what the report states is true, i do not think that either parent deserves to have custody of their daughter at all.

I thought the reason (and I have no link) was that there is a restraining order against SM. His attorney spoke (maybe on NG?) that they would be working this week to have the restraining order lifted. IMHO, it's more of Julia's BS that a judge bought hook line and sinker that is causing this delay in M being reunited with her dad. At least he has visitation.

 

[hollyblue]

so would this be the reason why solomon lost custody of his children? but if that was so, why did they not bother to check up on julia to check whether she was neglecting them as well? this story just seems to get stranger and stranger. i still don't believe that julia's story is reliable since she has said so many lies already, but i'm curious about those court documents about solomon leaving his children alone at home. didn't he live with his family when he separated from julia so he might have had family members looking after his children then?

I'm wondering if the latest info from the article regarding SM leaving the children alone at home is a mistake because they also mentioned the mediation as being 2 weeks prior to Sky's missing. It was only 5 days.

**Also the latest article was hard to follow, imo, because all the dates were not chronological. :crazy:

 

[hollyblue]

I don't believe she would send the boy out of the country anyway. She had two children, and is attached to her daughter. But daughter didn't go missing. Now she lost custody of that daughter. So it really doesn't make any sense.

She wasn't bonded with Sky, imo, and I wouldn't put it past the realm of possibilty she may have sold him. Her story for his "absence" just didn't hold water. She apparently had no qualms of trading flesh or character for $. Jmo

 

[hollyblue]

I thought the reason (and I have no link) was that there is a restraining order against SM. His attorney spoke (maybe on NG?) that they would be working this week to have the restraining order lifted. IMHO, it's more of Julia's BS that a judge bought hook line and sinker that is causing this delay in M being reunited with her dad. At least he has visitation.

That and the fact MM hadn't seen him in 10 months....plus there is an ongoing investigation into her sibling's disappearance.