WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #16

[~n/t~]

That's not exactly true. There were people who thought they recognized Shawn and even asked him if he was Shawn. He said he wasn't and they apparently believed that and never contacted police or his parents.

"Romer said other residents also believed the story. "They actually said, 'You look exactly like Shawn Hornbeck.' Shawn blew it off and said, 'Whatever.' It is all really strange," he said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-15/...ael-devlin-shawn-hornbeck-kidnapping?_s=PM:US

Right and it took 4 years and another abducted child to reach the miraculous conclusion of that case. The point I was trying to make is Shawn was in his own State and he could still "hide". A child, imo would be even easier to "hide". Change their appearance, move out of State. If a neighbour moves in next door with 3 kids,most wouldn't question. Unfortunately, not everyone follows missing persons cases like we do. The state of Washington alone has approx 6 million people. If Sky is in Arizona or Canada.....it would have to be a miracle to find him.

Sad but reality unless Julia starts talking.

 

[Etilema]

In a very early press conference, LE stated that Sky did not have a passport.

I don't know if it is still this way, but I believe it used to be that a child could be added to a parent's passport. If they had a well-faked birth certificate showing a different father or mother (and different name), could they have done this?

 

[~n/t~]

I don't know if it is still this way, but I believe it used to be that a child could be added to a parent's passport. If they had a well-faked birth certificate showing a different father or mother (and different name), could they have done this?

I'm not 100% certain but I believe after 911, that was no longer valid. In other words, the children had to get their own passport and if the parents were divorced and one parent wanted to take them out of the country, a signed letter is required. My boss had to do this with his child. His ex had to sign a letter so he could take his son across the border.

With that said, fake passports, birth certificates are easy to obtain. I did a quick google the other day out of curiosity and I was shocked to see how easy it is. Futhermore, I came across so many cases of children abducted by a parent and living abroad. They somehow did it. Illegal. Yes. But they did it.

If Sky is out of the country, I would guess he's in Canada and taken across by vehicle. I don't believe he's in the Ukraine or Russia.

 

[BritsKate]

I don't know if it is still this way, but I believe it used to be that a child could be added to a parent's passport. If they had a well-faked birth certificate showing a different father or mother (and different name), could they have done this?

Current passport laws require individual passports for children - including newborns. The passport application must be completed in person at an issuing agency and both parents must authorise the issuance (have a court order stating sole custody or a notarized affidavit of why the other parent cannot sign the passport application). In my case the validity of the documents I submitted was verified. The woman processing our applications called the court house right in front of me. I don't know if every state does that though.

Presupposing Julia is no longer a Ukrainian citizen (at one point Ukrainians were urged to denounce their citizenship if they sought citizenship to another country or face potential fines) I don't see how Sky could be removed legally to reside in another country. Visa applications are even more intrusive (and rightly so) than passport applications. I was refused visas for my kiddos until I had forwarded the court order granting me right to remove and relocate to the consulate.

Illegally is an entirely different matter. So many countries entertain the VWP that if one really wanted to they could easily 'get lost' once entering the country. (Mind you though that entry controls are stricter than exit controls and one would have to satisfy border agents they had every intention of leaving.) IPA cases have tripled since the 2000 two parent consent law was enacted. In many of those cases though the children had already been issued passports, there were no prohibitive court orders prior to removal, and most often the parent absconded with the child(ren).

My opinion is that Sky never left the county much less the country but if I am wrong I believe it would have to be a forged passport rather than a fraudulent passport application.

 

[Rougelatete]

My opinion is that Sky never left the county much less the country but if I am wrong I believe it would have to be a forged passport rather than a fraudulent passport application.

Respectfully snipped. I one-thousand-percent agree!

 

[jash]

I'm still wondering what this was all about.....

I had forgotten about that, thanks for posting!

Things that jump out at me:
- she put "this friend" in quotation marks
- she refers to the friend as a 'her'
- she posted the question late at night on Sept. 5, 2011.

September 5th happens to be the same day she did a big upload to her Flickr account. Unfortunately I didn't note how many photos were uploaded that day or which specific events they were all from, but I know the June 15, 2011 photos were uploaded that day (M's haircut and Costco visit with SJ).

I remember when JB's question was first discussed here, some people thought it was SM she was trying to keep certain photos from, but now I don't think so. They were still together at the time that she created the Flickr account so presumeably he would have been aware of it (not to mention the link to the account had the name Metalwala in it). So if she was concerned about him seeing other photos, she would have set her account to private (or posted a similar question a lot earlier). Similarly, I don't think it could have been any of her Facebook friends as she had posted a link to the Flickr account on her wall. And although SJ wasn't a fb friend, I assume she too knew about the account, and was present at many of the events documented therein, so it doesn't make sense that JB would want to suddenly restrict her access.

I believe the "friend" JB was referring to could have been her mother or, more likely, her lawyer. Looking at the court records, on Aug. 26th there was an Order for Continuance of Trial Date (set for Nov. 14th) and on Sept. 6th there was an Order to Appear at Pretrial Hearing/Conference (set for Oct. 14th). JB may have been preparing "proof" for her lawyer that SM's claims were false and that the kids were happy, fed (i.e. photo of M eating pizza) and that she actually left the house, instead of cleaning all day. What I can't explain is why she wouldn't want her lawyer to see any of the other photos. I don't think JB had enough awareness to realize posting pics of M in the bath in a public account wouldn't look good to her lawyer, so what did she want to hide? :waitasec:

 

[Etilema]

Current passport laws require individual passports for children - including newborns. The passport application must be completed in person at an issuing agency and both parents must authorise the issuance (have a court order stating sole custody or a notarized affidavit of why the other parent cannot sign the passport application). In my case the validity of the documents I submitted was verified. The woman processing our applications called the court house right in front of me. I don't know if every state does that though.

Presupposing Julia is no longer a Ukrainian citizen (at one point Ukrainians were urged to denounce their citizenship if they sought citizenship to another country or face potential fines) I don't see how Sky could be removed legally to reside in another country. Visa applications are even more intrusive (and rightly so) than passport applications. I was refused visas for my kiddos until I had forwarded the court order granting me right to remove and relocate to the consulate.

Illegally is an entirely different matter. So many countries entertain the VWP that if one really wanted to they could easily 'get lost' once entering the country. (Mind you though that entry controls are stricter than exit controls and one would have to satisfy border agents they had every intention of leaving.) IPA cases have tripled since the 2000 two parent consent law was enacted. In many of those cases though the children had already been issued passports, there were no prohibitive court orders prior to removal, and most often the parent absconded with the child(ren).

My opinion is that Sky never left the county much less the country but if I am wrong I believe it would have to be a forged passport rather than a fraudulent passport application.

Thanks for clarifying the process.

I tend to agree with you that he did not leave the country. But if he did, another method could be to cross out of our permeable border in the same way some people enter it (not at an official checkpoint).

 

[~n/t~]

I had forgotten about that, thanks for posting!

Things that jump out at me:
- she put "this friend" in quotation marks
- she refers to the friend as a 'her'
- she posted the question late at night on Sept. 5, 2011.

September 5th happens to be the same day she did a big upload to her Flickr account. Unfortunately I didn't note how many photos were uploaded that day or which specific events they were all from, but I know the June 15, 2011 photos were uploaded that day (M's haircut and Costco visit with SJ).

I remember when JB's question was first discussed here, some people thought it was SM she was trying to keep certain photos from, but now I don't think so. They were still together at the time that she created the Flickr account so presumeably he would have been aware of it (not to mention the link to the account had the name Metalwala in it). So if she was concerned about him seeing other photos, she would have set her account to private (or posted a similar question a lot earlier). Similarly, I don't think it could have been any of her Facebook friends as she had posted a link to the Flickr account on her wall. And although SJ wasn't a fb friend, I assume she too knew about the account, and was present at many of the events documented therein, so it doesn't make sense that JB would want to suddenly restrict her access.

I believe the "friend" JB was referring to could have been her mother or, more likely, her lawyer. Looking at the court records, on Aug. 26th there was an Order for Continuance of Trial Date (set for Nov. 14th) and on Sept. 6th there was an Order to Appear at Pretrial Hearing/Conference (set for Oct. 14th). JB may have been preparing "proof" for her lawyer that SM's claims were false and that the kids were happy, fed (i.e. photo of M eating pizza) and that she actually left the house, instead of cleaning all day. What I can't explain is why she wouldn't want her lawyer to see any of the other photos. I don't think JB had enough awareness to realize posting pics of M in the bath in a public account wouldn't look good to her lawyer, so what did she want to hide? :waitasec:

I doubt they were for her lawyer. IMO, her attorney would've told her to use other means to get her the pictures. Not the internet.

 

[SurfieTX]

What month did she sign up for the sugar daddy site and the Christian singles? I tried googling it the other day but had a really hard time finding the actual sites. Does anyone remember?

 

[~n/t~]

What month did she sign up for the sugar daddy site and the Christian singles? I tried googling it the other day but had a really hard time finding the actual sites. Does anyone remember?

Sugar Daddy = July 25th

According to the profile, created on July 25, a person using Biryukova's photo and identifying herself as "JB" said she was "looking for financial stability" and a "REAL man" - as well as between $3,000 and $5,000 a month in cash.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-daddy-dating-website-report-article-1.977942

 

[cocomod]

Maybe she was trying to post "sexy" pictures of her for a sugar daddy to see. Maybe she didn't want just anyone to see these pics. Maybe she didn't know how to sext. It's not unheard of when a "mother" loses interest in her children to try such measures to catch a man. Just sayin'.

 

[jjenny]

Respectfully snipped. I one-thousand-percent agree!

I don't think he left the country or the county either. Considering how quickly JB agreed that SM should have custody of M, she had to know full well SM was not a danger to the children. So why would she hide Sky? And even if she wanted to do it out of spite, why hide one child but not the other?

 

[hambirg]

I do believe she was referring to her lawyer or possibly even the court commissioner in that Flickr question. The timing is spot on. I think she probably didn't want them to see all the photos because she was portraying a false story. . .she was changing the dates etc, trying to create this picture of a happy little life where they went out and about often, socialized normally, etc.

 

[SurfieTX]

I had forgotten about that, thanks for posting!

Things that jump out at me:
- she put "this friend" in quotation marks
- she refers to the friend as a 'her'
- she posted the question late at night on Sept. 5, 2011.

I don't think JB had enough awareness to realize posting pics of M in the bath in a public account wouldn't look good to her lawyer, so what did she want to hide? :waitasec:

Respectfully snipped for space.

I just remembered those pictures where she had edited SM's face out with a beach ball or something. Also, there were pictures where there was virtually no furniture in the apartment. I wonder if the condo's computer room had a printer. She could have been planning (or did) print them as well. Perhaps the access to just that set of pictures was merely a pre-emptive CYA move.

 

[wenwe4]

I don't think he left the country or the county either. Considering how quickly JB agreed that SM should have custody of M, she had to know full well SM was not a danger to the children. So why would she hide Sky? And even if she wanted to do it out of spite, why hide one child but not the other?

I agree and if she were to hide one child, why pick Sky? Clearly she did not have the maternal bond with Sky like she did with MM (based upon the number of pictures she has posted of MM vs. Sky, the audio recordings during the "exchanges" of the children in which JB didn't react the same way she did with Sky as she did with MM leaving with their Father, the tremendous number of toys and clothing that MM had available but much less that were specifically for boys and/or Sky (although that could be a product of financial poverty during Sky's little life vs. purchases she was able to make during MM's toddlerhood). If she did secret Sky away with a friend or family member, why has nothing been found to date? What would be her motive to continue with the Sky is kidnapped/missing scenario? Why not come clean, fess up and tell where Sky is? She has nothing more to lose except some community service time/fines, etc . . . (I believe she doesn't have a long criminal record that would add points/time to her sentence if found guilty of lying to LE or making a false report, etc)

I truly believe that the most logical explanation is that Sky died as a direct result of neglect and given the proof that M weighed 29# there is some evidence of the allegations that SM made towards JB (ie: no food in the house, OCD symptoms take precedence over children's needs, etc).

I wonder what JB's normal behavior (ie:rituals/habits) about the issues of trash removal were. What would happen when she dealt with a dirty diaper? Found a dead mouse or spider's nest? Spoiled food? Stinky socks? Vomit in the bed from a sick child? What would send her over the edge to perform her cleaning rituals? What was so disgusting that it could not be tolerated and how was it normally disposed of by JB?

Did the children ever have a pet goldfish or turtle that died? How was the pet disposed of? If she didn't allow her children to have pets . . . what was her experience growing up with pet(s) that may have passed? What was the most anxiety producing experience that JB ever endured that someone else witnessed? What did she do? How did she respond? How did she recover? How long did it last? Who, What, Where, When, How and finally we can figure out the "why" on our own!

 

[~n/t~]

I do believe she was referring to her lawyer or possibly even the court commissioner in that Flickr question. The timing is spot on. I think she probably didn't want them to see all the photos because she was portraying a false story. . .she was changing the dates etc, trying to create this picture of a happy little life where they went out and about often, socialized normally, etc.

I've never heard of a case where a client was asked by their attorney or a court commissioner to download pictures on flickr or photobucket or facebook so they can view them and/or use them as evidence.

 

[hambirg]

I've never heard of a case where a client was asked by their attorney or a court commissioner to download pictures on flickr or photobucket or facebook so they can view them and/or use them as evidence.

Well, we know she used her audio blog for just that exact purpose, I don't know why this would be different.

 

[~n/t~]

Well, we know she used her audio blog for just that exact purpose, I don't know why this would be different.

She used the audio blog at the request of her attorney?

 

[hambirg]

She used the audio blog at the request of her attorney?

I don't know if it was at the request of her attorney, but I do know it was part of her court paperwork at one time.

 

[Rougelatete]

Well, we know she used her audio blog for just that exact purpose, I don't know why this would be different.

I agree with your suspicion that JB may have been referring to her lawyer in that post about the flickr photos.

We all know she's not the sharpest tool in the shed and whatever way she had of explaining to herself the rationale behind making some photos private was probably not the most sensical. I suspect that her anxiety flooded so much of her brain-space that she didn't have room for careful, thoughtful planning. Hence, the laughable alibi of running out of gas, downloading hundreds of flickr photos, and going on sugar daddy dating sites post-Sky's disappearance.

She does not behave rationally or show careful thought in her actions -- it feels like she does things on a whim without thinking it through. The same may have happened here. The lawyer may not have 'ordered' the photos. JB may just have decided it was a move that might somehow benefit her case against SM, even if it made no sense at all.