WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #16

[jjenny]

I don't doubt SM wanted to see his children, but it must have been easier to wait for protection order to expire than undergo however long and expensive domestic violence programs. As a result no one was able to check on these kids and now we don't even know how long little Sky was actually missing. The court had to know full well JB had issues, but instead of checking on the kids they just made sure she was the only one in charge of them. Unbelievable.
:banghead:

 

[wenwe4]

Certified Domestic Batterer Intervention programs I've worked in (within MA) often have a sliding scale but it DOES add up. That said, I believe that whatever the cost was, it was unaffordable for SM. I believe he would have attended whatever class they told to him to if it meant he could see his kids again. Even if he knew in his hearts of hearts that he was not a domestic batterer (if anything, JB was abusive, IMO).

I think SM was so financially strapped between sending JB money, funding her living situation, paying for lawyers, and trying to keep his drowning business afloat, that he literally couldn't afford a dime. I truly believe he would have done anything to see those kids -- he was terrified for their safety. And, for good reason, sadly. He got screwed by the court system. It's infuriating.

In my experience with families that have gone through the "system", those DV Perpetrator classes typically cost $40 per week and run for a year to 18 months.

I was present during a professional "come to Jesus" meeting with a local DV Perp Treatment professional (there are very few that are certified btw), who informed a room full of multi-disciplinary professionals assembled for issues of child abuse/neglect, that he supported one Father as he had known the man for 2 years. This particular Father showed up every week and paid his tuition. He admitted he never checked any of the Perp's criminal records (neither before nor during treatment) as he felt it presented a barrier for the client to trust him. This particular "DV Perp Tx Professional" actually advocated for this Father to return to the home and his toddler children, despite having 3 more DV charges since beginning his DV Perp Treatment. When confronted with the info that this Father continued to violate others via violence/control/power over others, despite receiving treatment from this Professional . . . the Professional stated he stands behind his decisions.

I am not trying to say that all DV Perp Treatment Therapists would do this. . . in fact, quite the opposite. I was appalled that this particular therapist would actually place children and vulnerable people in danger, as long as the client shows up and pays his tuition. Needless to say, I no longer advocate for DV perp treatment with that local provider.

Also, interesting to note that DCFS/CPS will not pay for DV perp treatment for Father's, as they feel it is a necessary "fine" for the Perp to learn their lesson. Whereas, if there are any other issues that would place a child at a high risk of being placed out of the home, CPS will pay for parenting education, therapy, drug/alcohol treatment, housing, mental health, medical, food, home clean up, etc... if the child can be maintained in the home. Typically, CPS will make a DV Perp move out of the home and keep the children and the victim (usually the Mom) in the home with the children if they can be maintained safely.

 

[jjenny]

So if the class runs for a year to 18 months, SM would have to pay and attend, but would not be able to see the children during that time? The protection order was for one year, so one can see why it doesn't make sense.
The protection order was going to expire before he completed this program.

 

[wenwe4]

So if the class runs for a year to 18 months, SM would have to pay and attend, but would not be able to see the children during that time? The protection order was for one year, so one can see why it doesn't make sense.
The protection order was going to expire before he completed this program.

Not uncommon situation, as the protection order could be renewed if there were any further episodes of DV (documented by LE). Protection orders are put into place to keep Perps away from victims for a period of time to allow them to calm down. Often protection orders will be only for 30 days, and the victim can petition the court for a one year order (if it is warranted). The hope is that with time and distance, the issues will not be present and people can get along.

Often protection orders expire while Perp is attending classes. If there are no further issues, the Perp can petition the court and say I have completed my court ordered treatment and complied with all protection orders. I am no longer a threat to this person and have learned from my mistakes and want to re-establish a relationship with my children, etc.

 

[cocomod]

:bump:

Bumping you up to page 1 !

Sky - where are you baby? Hoping that this weekend brings more answers. I hate it when investigations are so quiet that you wonder if anything is actually being accomplished!

:sigh:

 

[Rougelatete]

Hi Sleuthers ~

You can take this with as much a grain of salt as you'd like to (I'm still deciding how big or small a grain I'd like to take it with).

I just finished a 40-minute phone conversation with a local who is quite involved in the case and, with her own $300, ordered the Metalwala file and has been speaking with LE about it (you might consider her a quasi-professional like someone who volunteers on a search team but is well-known? I'm not sure how to put it....Regardless, she's in touch with LE and works on lots of missing persons cases).

Anyhow, she relayed certain information to me and, I don't know how accurate it might be, but it's worth passing on to you.

* JB went to her car on 11/4 just after her 1:28am facebook post on November 4th. According to my source, this information was gained from LE's file (apparently, LE was able to verify JB's comings and goings via the building's security system) and the source believes JB might have gone to the car to place a doll wrapped in a blanket to fool M into believing her brother was in the car (this last part not verified by LE). This would back up my belief that JB posts on facebook in times of high stress.

* I called Veloce Apartments and they confirmed that a resident's comings and goings are tracked using a FoB, which would corroborate my source's information that Veloce (and LE) were able to see that JB went to her car on 11/4 around 1:30am.

* My source said LE is absolutely, 100% convinced Sky is deceased but that they are unable to move forward as there is no evidence. The source believes that Sky was put in the trash (as I have previously stated I also believe) but that it happened October 15th or 16th and that JB spent the next 2 weeks planning her alibi (the October 15/16th date comes from my source, not LE).

* My source noted that JB and her mother both have intense, visceral reactions to males (read their emails and interviews in MSM) and that Sky, having a strong resemblance to his father, was actively killed (i.e. homicidal violence, not starvation/malnutrition) because of this. This information is from the source, not from LE.

* I won't go into details about how trash is brought from a starting point to the landfill, but suffice it to say that I learned tonight it is a very complicated and gruesome process and, from what my source said, LE does not want to search the landfill unless they are certain Sky is in it. To which I say:

SEARCH THE DAGGONE LANDFILL!!!!

 

[Bree0372]

Rougelatete - Thank you for your post! I agree that Sky is no longer with us and have felt that way since the beginning. There's a reason a mother won't assist LE when searching for their missing child -- she has something to hide! Whoever she is staying with should be ashamed of themselves for housing/hiding this monster. Make her talk!

Sky never asked to be born, but that gave her no right to take his life from him, or to take him from his loving dad and sister.

LE needs to search the landfill! I'd rather they spend the money and not find anything than for him to possibly be laying in that field of trash needing to be found. A child (dead or alive) is worth every penny it takes to be found!

This case sounds way too much like Caylee's case. A child not loved or wanted by mom so mom murders her (him in Sky's case) out of spite and throws the body out like trash. :furious:

I pray that Sky is soon located so that his loved ones can have the closure they so deserve and can begin healing.

 

[Rougelatete]

I'd like to add (again with a grain of salt) that my source told me it would be possible to transport a toddler in a car without leaving a trace for cadaver dogs. She said cadaver dogs hit on skin cells that fall off a dead body and that no one knows how long it takes for these cells to fall off and under what conditions. But, a tightly wrapped body (as in many, many sheets, etc) might not produce anything for a cadaver dog to hit upon, especially a very small toddler's body.

That said, she believes the visit to JB's car around 1:30am on November 4th was for a different purpose, although still related to the case. She believes Sky's body was not in the car but was disposed of in the trash, which I also believe.

 

[Adrienne37]

Thanks as always Rougeletate. I believe your source 100% because all that was gleaned from her is pretty much what I have felt from the beginning as well. I knew that Sky's strong resemblance to Solomon had to be Julia's breaking point. I wish I could get my hands on her because quite frankly I'd like to throttle her. What a sick and twisted individual she is, but hey we figured that out months ago. Good grief, I'll catch the next plane out for LE and I'll personally be glad to dig in whatever area of the landfill they would direct me too just to bring this little man home.

Did your source indicate to you if she has been seen any where out and about since this all happened?

 

[Adrienne37]

Rougelatete - Thank you for your post! I agree that Sky is no longer with us and have felt that way since the beginning. There's a reason a mother won't assist LE when searching for their missing child -- she has something to hide! Whoever she is staying with should be ashamed of themselves for housing/hiding this monster. Make her talk!

Sky never asked to be born, but that gave her no right to take his life from him, or to take him from his loving dad and sister.

LE needs to search the landfill! I'd rather they spend the money and not find anything than for him to possibly be laying in that field of trash needing to be found. A child (dead or alive) is worth every penny it takes to be found!

This case sounds way too much like Caylee's case. A child not loved or wanted by mom so mom murders her (him in Sky's case) out of spite and throws the body out like trash. :furious:

I pray that Sky is soon located so that his loved ones can have the closure they so deserve and can begin healing.

The similarities are exactly what touched me in Sky's case right down to those big brown beautiful eyes that just tug at every part of your being. I'm very close to Orlando and while I was never able to search for Caylee while she was missing, I was able to visit the remain's site last year after the verdict and it really got the best of me just realizing how she was thrown away like trash. It's sickening to say the least.

 

[Rougelatete]

Thanks as always Rougeletate. I believe your source 100% because all that was gleaned from her is pretty much what I have felt from the beginning as well. I knew that Sky's strong resemblance to Solomon had to be Julia's breaking point. I wish I could get my hands on her because quite frankly I'd like to throttle her. What a sick and twisted individual she is, but hey we figured that out months ago. Good grief, I'll catch the next plane out for LE and I'll personally be glad to dig in whatever area of the landfill they would direct me too just to bring this little man home.

Did your source indicate to you if she has been seen any where out and about since this all happened?

I've sent her a message but haven't heard back yet. Yes, you're right -- it corroborates everything I've suspected all along as well.

The good news is that she told me LE is still working on Sky's case. They're not working as super-actively as they were in the beginning (which is understandable) but they're still working on it. I do, however, get the impression that they're waiting for a confession, to which I say:

Arrest Julia for something else and make her sit in jail -- THEN she might talk!!

 

[Bree0372]

The similarities are exactly what touched me in Sky's case right down to those big brown beautiful eyes that just tug at every part of your being. I'm very close to Orlando and while I was never able to search for Caylee while she was missing, I was able to visit the remain's site last year after the verdict and it really got the best of me just realizing how she was thrown away like trash. It's sickening to say the least.

Well, I find peace in knowing that they are both in Heaven. No more monster mom's around them. I had to take a break after Casey's verdict and now this monster not helping LE find her beautiful baby either just sickens me.

I lived in Florida when Caylee was reported missing and through the searches. Now I live in Western Washington, so I first heard of Sky on the local news.

They are both such incredibly beautiful children. I would have loved to have had both of them.

I have an almost 3 year old and know that this age can try your patience. They can be headstrong, attitudinal, and vocal. Tack on to that, Sky looks like his dad, I think that was the breaking point for Julia.

I just can't imagine the grandma and uncle sitting by and not saying a word. Their silence baffles me. They are protecting Julia, but by doing so, they have failed Sky.

 

[cocomod]

Thanks so much Rougeletete! What your source has told you basically lines up a great deal with what many of us have suspected. I was not certain that it was homicidal violence that took his little life, but it really would not surprise me.

Rougelete, did she say why she specifically believes October 15 or 16?

Did any of you read about the couple that hid their little boy in a suitcase. Their neighbors formed a mob and stormed their apartment looking for the little boy. The neighbors were concerned because they had noticed his absence, so they stormed the house and found his little body in a suitcase. This is not the first child that they abused. They already lost 4 children previously to abuse and neglect charges.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/toronto-couple-charged-jamaica-police-toddlers-body-suitcase-212747557.html

I almost wish that as Americans we would have this kind of bravery when a little one goes missing. It makes me terribly sad that little Sky was likely missing for at least a month and noone noticed. Where is the outrage? We (our little group here at WS) have outrage, but what about JB's friends? Where is their outrage?

I am ready to make her talk. Goodness! Julia - how could you?!

 

[Rougelatete]

Well, I find peace in knowing that they are both in Heaven. No more monster mom's around them. I had to take a break after Casey's verdict and now this monster not helping LE find her beautiful baby either just sickens me.

I lived in Florida when Caylee was reported missing and through the searches. Now I live in Western Washington, so I first heard of Sky on the local news.

They are both such incredibly beautiful children. I would have loved to have had both of them.

I have an almost 3 year old and know that this age can try your patience. They can be headstrong, attitudinal, and vocal. Tack on to that, Sky looks like his dad, I think that was the breaking point for Julia.

I just can't imagine the grandma and uncle sitting by and not saying a word. Their silence baffles me. They are protecting Julia, but by doing so, they have failed Sky.

BBM. What a touching post.

My partner and I are trying so hard to have children so these cases of "discarded children" really hit home. We would take them in an instant, if we could.

And, your last sentence. Wow. Exactly. Who was looking out for Sky?? We know Solomon was....blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back. But, who REALLY was looking out for Sky??!!??

 

[Rougelatete]

Thanks so much Rougeletete! What your source has told you basically lines up a great deal with what many of us have suspected. I was not certain that it was homicidal violence that took his little life, but it really would not surprise me.

Rougelete, did she say why she specifically believes October 15 or 16?

Did any of you read about the couple that hid their little boy in a suitcase. Their neighbors formed a mob and stormed their apartment looking for the little boy. The neighbors were concerned because they had noticed his absence, so they stormed the house and found his little body in a suitcase. This is not the first child that they abused. They already lost 4 children previously to abuse and neglect charges.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/toronto-couple-charged-jamaica-police-toddlers-body-suitcase-212747557.html

I almost wish that as Americans we would have this kind of bravery when a little one goes missing. It makes me terribly sad that little Sky was likely missing for at least a month and noone noticed. Where is the outrage? We (our little group here at WS) have outrage, but what about JB's friends? Where is their outrage?

BBM. I am ready to make her talk. Goodness! Julia - how could you?!

BBM. I'm sorry, but she didn't say. I would not rely on her account as 100% accurate. That said, I think the things she told me came from LE's Metalwala file can be believed (she is a well-known person whom I am certain has connections with LE and would have had access to LE's file). I would not take as fact the things that came solely from my source, however. I hope they are true, but I have no reason to believe them as firmly. I'm sorry.

 

[Bree0372]

BBM. What a touching post.

My partner and I are trying so hard to have children so these cases of "discarded children" really hit home. We would take them in an instant, if we could.

And, your last sentence. Wow. Exactly. Who was looking out for Sky?? We know Solomon was....blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back. But, who REALLY was looking out for Sky??!!??

I know what you are going through and I pray that you are able to have a child one day soon. Children are the most precious gift! I have one adopted son and would love to have another, but can't afford the outrageous adoption costs. All the while so many are having babies for no cost to them and throwing their babies away. These monsters that dispose of their children sicken me...truly sicken me.

I'd like to think, if I could have 15 minutes alone with her, we'd find Sky. Okay, that may not be legal, but dang it, someone in her family needs to take a stand for this precious baby. His daddy, like you said, was blindfolded with both hands tied behind his back. Who is to blame for that? Julia and her so-called friends who supported her decision to alienate this loving dad from his beautiful children! I truly wonder what the friends think now about how they assisted her in keeping Sky and M from SM and what Julia has done with Sky.

It's a sad day when a group of strangers on the internet have more love and concern for a child we never knew than his own mother. She disgusts me!

 

[cocomod]

BBM. What a touching post.

My partner and I are trying so hard to have children so these cases of "discarded children" really hit home. We would take them in an instant, if we could.

And, your last sentence. Wow. Exactly. Who was looking out for Sky?? We know Solomon was....blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back. But, who REALLY was looking out for Sky??!!??

BBM
I too understand what you are going through. My husband and I tried for 8 years before we had our first child. We went through a lot in those years. It is difficult to say the least. Our children are my greatest joy, and I sincerely hope the best for you.

I will NEVER understand these mothers that discard their children so easily. I will NEVER understand not bonding with their children and not wanting to protect them at all costs against harm. I would literally die for my children. I just cannot fathom their thought processes.

 

[jash]

Thanks for the info Rougelatete! It's heartbreaking to find out that some of the theories on here may prove to be reality, but this has gone on far too long. SM, M and all the others who loved Sky deserve answers.

I had previously read that JB left her apartment after the Facebook post early on Nov 4th (I think Robert A posted it somewhere) but as I couldn't trace it back to a source or any evidence, I discounted it.

If your source is right about Sky being killed on October 15/16, it certainly makes the timeline more interesting.

I believe the neighbour claimed to have seen Sky between Oct 15 and Oct 23 (I've read different accounts). If true, this person may have witnessed Sky's final hours.

Around Oct 25, JB proposed waiving support if she could take the kids to Scottsdale or Russia. As someone on here guessed, that may have been a desperate attempt to avoid having to produce both children and thus exposing Sky's absence.

On Oct 26, JB last accessed the sugar daddy site. Was she hoping to get some money to flee with M and leave all her problems behind?

Around Oct 27, JB borrows her brother's car for 10 days. I'm not sure what her intentions were at that time (could have been a way to disappear with M and avoid answering questions) but ultimately this car enabled her to stage the disappearance.

On Nov 1/2, JB attends the mediation and for nearly 12 hours, she digs in her heels and refuses to agree to anything. This tells me she had not come up with a plan yet. Eventually she is worn down and agrees.

On Nov 4, SM's attorneys are notified that JB felt pressured at the mediation and she is backing out of the agreement. Again, I think she was stalling for time because she didn't have a plan yet.

On Nov 5, that Law & Order SVU episode re-airs (originally aired on Oct 19). I think this is where she came up with her plan. As Clay Terry said in an article recently, JB isn't creative.

On Nov 6, Sky is reported missing, supposedly after being left in the car.

I'm not sure how JB leaving her apt early in the morning on Nov 4 factors in. I'm also not sure how those photos released by police factor in. When were the bank ones taken? Was JB planning on disappearing with M but when she couldn't come up with the necessary funds, she was forced to set up a scenario to explain Sky's absence?

Ugh, I'm so sick of trying to think like this woman. I too think LE needs to search the landfill asap. I imagine the longer they wait, the less likely a cause of death can be determined (though maybe we're beyond that point anyway). I cannot stand to see a repeat of the CA case!

 

[hambirg]

Thanks for the info Rougelatete! It's heartbreaking to find out that some of the theories on here may prove to be reality, but this has gone on far too long. SM, M and all the others who loved Sky deserve answers.

I had previously read that JB left her apartment after the Facebook post early on Nov 4th (I think Robert A posted it somewhere) but as I couldn't trace it back to a source or any evidence, I discounted it.

If your source is right about Sky being killed on October 15/16, it certainly makes the timeline more interesting.

I believe the neighbour claimed to have seen Sky between Oct 15 and Oct 23 (I've read different accounts). If true, this person may have witnessed Sky's final hours.

Around Oct 25, JB proposed waiving support if she could take the kids to Scottsdale or Russia. As someone on here guessed, that may have been a desperate attempt to avoid having to produce both children and thus exposing Sky's absence.

On Oct 26, JB last accessed the sugar daddy site. Was she hoping to get some money to flee with M and leave all her problems behind?

Around Oct 27, JB borrows her brother's car for 10 days. I'm not sure what her intentions were at that time (could have been a way to disappear with M and avoid answering questions) but ultimately this car enabled her to stage the disappearance.

On Nov 1/2, JB attends the mediation and for nearly 12 hours, she digs in her heels and refuses to agree to anything. This tells me she had not come up with a plan yet. Eventually she is worn down and agrees.

On Nov 4, SM's attorneys are notified that JB felt pressured at the mediation and she is backing out of the agreement. Again, I think she was stalling for time because she didn't have a plan yet.

On Nov 5, that Law & Order SVU episode re-airs (originally aired on Oct 19). I think this is where she came up with her plan. As Clay Terry said in an article recently, JB isn't creative.

On Nov 6, Sky is reported missing, supposedly after being left in the car.

I'm not sure how JB leaving her apt early in the morning on Nov 4 factors in. I'm also not sure how those photos released by police factor in. When were the bank ones taken? Was JB planning on disappearing with M but when she couldn't come up with the necessary funds, she was forced to set up a scenario to explain Sky's absence?

Ugh, I'm so sick of trying to think like this woman. I too think LE needs to search the landfill asap. I imagine the longer they wait, the less likely a cause of death can be determined (though maybe we're beyond that point anyway). I cannot stand to see a repeat of the CA case!

Bingo!

I think the way you laid this all out is most likely exactly what happened.

I want LE to search the landfill. Personally, I want them to find Sky, not just to give him a proper resting place, but so they can carry out some justice for him. I want to see JB rot. Yeah. . .not the most lovely thing to say, but it's the truth! :furious:

 

[Rougelatete]

Could JB have been disposing of evidence on November 4th or 5th? Could she have borrowed her brother's car for that purpose and then gone to the car in the early morning hours of the 4th? It's possible there was still evidence to dispose of even if Sky was already put in the trash, goodness forbid. I wonder if that's what LE found when they searched Watershed Park....