WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 7

[Rougelatete]

:twocents:

Thanks to the many educated and/or experienced in the mental health area for sharing your knowledge here on Sky's threads.. I believe that what needs to be pointed out here(and that IMO alot of blame could lie in this specific issue) is that just as much as the courts had Solomon begging, pleading, and seemed to be extremely open with Julia's issues, diagnosis, medications, behavioral therapies, etc, etc.. This man by the point of this declaration seems as tho he was so very desperate to get the courts to understand what they were dealing with on all levels.. Including both her mental illness as well as the extremely manipulative and cunning side of Julia which IMO has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MENTAL ILLNESS..

I totally agree with Rouge in that one can be mentally Ill and yet still seperate from that mental illness have severe personality disorders, or just downright evil souls IMO.. But my point that I want to make that just as hard as Solomon seemed to fighting for The courts to see Julia as an open book all issues including mental illness.. Equally fighting against him was Julia saying she was just fine and perfectly capable of being a great and fit mother.. Solomon in the declaration cAlls out that particular health professional by name and states that this man who clearly had the wool pulled over him by Julia and that was not a psychiatrist trained to deal with the issues Julia had therefor this professional was repeatedly okaying and vouching for Julia's mental health state being a ok and perfectly rosey!! He stated that Julia was perfectly equipped to parent and was in need of no medication..

So, you see as I said it certainly seems to me that for just as hard as Solomon was fighting to show the courts all facets of Julia, especially the one's that he knew and witnessed first hand severely impaired her parenting skills and was for the most part of the children's lives all consuming of Julia and thus leaving her unable to care for her Childs most basic need such as food.. On the other side Julia had found some health professional she could pull the wool over on and that would continue to vouch for her to the courts that she was mentally fine amd perfectly capable..

This is why IMO I feel that the individual who continued to in court docs vouch for her in this way that Solomon was continuing to say this man is not giving the courts an accurate account of Julias mental health.. Well Solomon looked like a hubby scorned and the courts continued to take this health professional at his word.. This IMO is where the actual break down occurred leading to the failure that IMO has cost Sky his life..

I think this person named in the docs needs to questioned and held accountable for his extremely misleading and inaccurate assessment of Julia that IMO was the leading cause that her mental illness claims by Solomon were thrown by the wayside, thus allowing this extremely sick and deviant individual to inflict severe abuses on her two children including very likely being the hands that murdered Solomon's only son..

Would most not agree this health professional that chose to continue to vouch for Julia to the courts was a major part if why the courts did not protect the Metalwala children?

Thank you, Smooth Operator! I hope people don't mind all the psychological mumbo-jumbo I come out with in my posts. I know this isn't a mental health thread -- it's about helping to find Sky. I post about psychology because I think starting to develop a profile of a potential perpetrator can be helpful in untangling the details of a crime (and, it's a total bonus to hear that it's helping some posters understand themselves or family members/friends better!).

That said, if a person has a diagnosed personality disorder, one of the hallmarks of these types of disorders is what we might view as manipulation, "pulling the wool over someone's eyes," and presenting as one person at a certain time and as another person at a different time. It's all in attempt to get your needs met -- at whatever cost.

Just to back up my statements, here's some diagnostic criteria for various personality disorders, as quoted from the DSM-IV: "deception, repeated lying, conning others for profit or pleasure, reckless disregard for safety of others, lack of remorse, rationalization, instability of mood, identity disturbance"
and on it goes.

Also, it should be said that, so far as I know, JB was never diagnosed with a personality disorder. She was diagnosed with mood and anxiety disorders, which are very different. Diagnosis in general is highly subjective; it's not an exact science. What one clinician might see as bipolar disorder (with marked highs and lows in mood) might be seen by another clinician as borderline personality disorder (which includes often rapid mood swings/affect disregulation, as a person with borderline PD reacts strongly to environmental and relational changes). Persons with diagnosable personality disorders can also be very good at getting a clinician to diagnosis them with something other than a personality disorder, and you can see how that would happen with the above diagnostic criteria.

Just a thought....perhaps JB was misdiagnosed. :twocents:

 

[SurfieTX]

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[MizStery]

Unlike the Lisa case I am less than impressed by the LE here. They seem to have a very laid back attitude about the whole thing.

I live near where JB claims she ran out of gas. There are electronic reader boards begging people to report any thing...LE repeating it just might break the case open. The King County,Redmond,Issaquah,Kirkland and Medina are working with Bellevue Police. They have officers parked by signs and the missing child poster of Sky on 112th. I have never called the Bellevue Police but there is no doubt in my mine every one of those FBI and local police have children and are doing everything possible to bring Sky home. LE are doing press briefing to keep this missing child case at the top of the news. I am not even going to mention all the volunteer agencies. I am not familiar with baby Lisa but I promise you the LE are working round the clock to leave no stone unturned. MOO

 

[ClassyT]

It is bothering me that the most recent photos of either of the kids were taken on April 2, 2011 when they are on the mini carousel at Crossroads in Bellevue. JB uploaded those 9 photos on April 3, 2011 along with some other photos from March 2011. Then there are no new photos at all of the kids but JB does go on her flickr account to upload photos (that are older) and to edit photos that were already on her account. Of those 9 photos only 2 are focused on Sky, the other 7 are focused on M. It makes me wonder what was going on that she was no longer taking lots of photos, especially of M.

I think its because she got what she needed out of it but there was also a mention of conflict of ownership of a certain camera in the declaration. She wasnt taking photos of her and her kids to celebrate them or share. It was specific and staged. I was totally weirded out on the one photo of her and Sky. There are not a lot of him and her together and she went and cropped him out. It wasnt even a good photo of her. Her teeth look like chicklets and you can see down her shirt. Way to go!

 

[SurfieTX]

It is bothering me that the most recent photos of either of the kids were taken on April 2, 2011 when they are on the mini carousel at Crossroads in Bellevue. JB uploaded those 9 photos on April 3, 2011 along with some other photos from March 2011. Then there are no new photos at all of the kids but JB does go on her flickr account to upload photos (that are older) and to edit photos that were already on her account. Of those 9 photos only 2 are focused on Sky, the other 7 are focused on M. It makes me wonder what was going on that she was no longer taking lots of photos, especially of M.

From what I gather, not a real high-end shopping area (not that there's anything wrong with that): http://www.crossroadsbellevue.com/Directory

 

[OneLove]

They had a court date on April 3, 2011.

So do you think the pics from April 2 were just put there for the purposes of looking good for court? I wish we could find out if Julia's so-called 'friends' did the picture posting to help create a fraudulent view of Julia as a "normal" caring and nurturing mother.

People who interjected themselves into our own loved one's mental health crisis were extremely damaging and caused a great deal more harm than good. A precious baby could easily have died in our case also.

 

[TorisMom003]

I wondered why there were so many photos of M eating, but after reading SMs declaration I understand now. When reading the declaration some dates that stood out for me. I haven't checked all of the flickr photos yet to see if any match up to what was going on according to SM though.

March 2009 - diagnosed as bi-polar and was confirmed to be depressed and have OCD
August 2009 - moved from the condo to the home because JB said that it would be easier for her condition if they lived in the home
November 2009 - moved from the home to the condo because JB said that it would be easier for her condition if they lived in the condo
March 2010 - JB had serious issues about leaving the house (or condo, whichever they lived at at the time) because of her condition getting worse
July 2, 2010 - JB attempts to regain sole custody of the kids with the help of her friend SO that she was living with at the time
October 2010 - JB and SM had shared custody
Jan 6, 2011 - SM takes polygraph because of charges of physical and sexual abuse against the children made by JB

Just those things above are alot for anyone to deal with much less two small children, IMO.

 

[MsFacetious]

Yes, also the Valerie Jackson murder in Spokane,WA ,where they found little
Valerie's body in a remote area by putting a tracking device on her father's
car when he returned to her grave.

AFTER the cops told him he didn't bury her deep enough, that they would find her.
So he goes and moves her while they track him.
Seriously? I couldn't believe he didn't see through that immediately. :waitasec:

However, Valiree's MOTHER who went missing 7 years earlier, still has not been found.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1874dfwa.html

He buried her south of the Spokane Valley, then exhumed her remains and placed them in a shallow grave in Stevens County.

Investigators found Valiree's body using a tracking device when Jackson returned to the site of the second grave, possibly intending to move the body again, investigators said at his trial.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=091203&id=s1409175

I have always felt that the GPS should be done in so many more cases... some of them may have turned out differently...

I hope they are tracking Julia, but I'm not sure of her vehicle situation right now. Might not be so simple.

 

[Rougelatete]

“But we understand that she’s traumatized by this and devastated by the loss of her son,” he said. “We’re hopeful that if she can gather herself we can have that conversation that we need to have.”

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=133807223&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212

Anyone beside me amazed at the level of coddling mom is getting?

I don't care how traumatized she is, this is a 25 month old child we're talking about here and mom can't get her head out of her hiney to assist with the investigation? :furious:

I think LE is being quite calculating and playing to JB's psychological vulnerabilities. I actually support what they're trying to do here -- their main goal is to find Sky and they believe that hinges on cooperation from JB. By attempting to elicit her cooperation, they just might get it at some point. If they bash her in the media, they know she'll remain standoffish and they won't get anything from her. I think they're doing an amazing job so far -- better work than I've seen in a lot of missing child cases.

 

[hollyblue]

So do you think the pics from April 2 were just put there for the purposes of looking good for court? I wish we could find out if Julia's so-called 'friends' did the picture posting to help create a fraudulent view of Julia as a "normal" caring and nurturing mother.

People who interjected themselves into our own loved one's mental health crisis were extremely damaging and caused a great deal more harm than good. A precious baby could easily have died in our case also.

Very good probability, imo.

 

[nursebeeme]

I wondered why there were so many photos of M eating, but after reading SMs declaration I understand now. When reading the declaration some dates that stood out for me. I haven't checked all of the flickr photos yet to see if any match up to what was going on according to SM though.

March 2009 - diagnosed as bi-polar and was confirmed to be depressed and have OCD
August 2009 - moved from the condo to the home because JB said that it would be easier for her condition if they lived in the home
November 2009 - moved from the home to the condo because JB said that it would be easier for her condition if they lived in the condo
March 2010 - JB had serious issues about leaving the house (or condo, whichever they lived at at the time) because of her condition getting worse
July 2, 2010 - JB attempts to regain sole custody of the kids with the help of her friend SO that she was living with at the time
October 2010 - JB and SM had shared custody
Jan 6, 2011 - SM takes polygraph because of charges of physical and sexual abuse against the children made by JB

Just those things above are alot for anyone to deal with much less two small children, IMO.

ITA about all the eating pictures... completely....

 

[gngr~snap]

Help me here... correct my errors please!
only SM is making a plea for his son.
LE is not leaning on mother.
JB was a "recluse" who cleaned constantly.
SM had to "feed" his children and his wife daily when living with them
because of her illness.
JB admitted to a facility for treatment of psych disorder.

JB worked with SM until MM born.
Everything was "normal" before that.
JB was a stay at home mom. Was this her chioce? Did SM ever stalk her?
Was she afraid to leave home?
Striped clothing (mostly the boy) and onsies was a common thing to see on the children (or next to nothing) mostly the little girl at least in pictures.
JB had OCD but while on vacation with family the place was a wreck.
Was it because SM wasn't there too? Had she been battered?

*** Sorry Wazineh Suileman flash back. (I thought for sure she was dead!) She left her kids. 5 of them! AND was in a women's shelter the whole time she was missing!
I wanna know if JB and MM might be "in a shelter"/ state custody and police are not leaning on her.

I want to know why NO friends have come forward to say anything about either parent pubicly. What or who are they afraid of?

I want to know why SM was interviewed wearing this! coincidence
http://www.kfoxtv.com/ap/ap/us/police-mom-of-missing-wash-boy-had-gas-in-car/pJtHR/
LOOK familiar?
184 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
IMG_1457 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I want to know if JB was a recluse by choice or if she was afraid of SM.
I want to know why there are VERY few photos of her. ESPECIALLY with either child in April on vacation.
I want to know why the uncle SB looks like he has been crying in a couple of pictures. (allergies? chlorine?) His college profile shows him to be very caring
maybe he has Sky?
I want to know WHY so much luggage in the hotel? Was she about to flee then?
Some men regardless of religion or their roots DO believe women are the weaker sex. Even "Christian" men.
Do we REALLY KNOW EVERYTHING SM has said is true?
or do we just believe it because his lawyer (lawyers never lie) and a court docket said so?
Maybe after he left she moved the mattress into an interior room to be more safe?
There has GOT to Be more to this... she may be mental...
and he may be no angel and drove her there...
time will tell
Devil's advocate:devil:
:shutup:

eta: April was a court date wasn't it? AND she was in a hotel with her entire family?
wonder why...

 

[KMouse]

ITA about all the eating pictures... completely....

I will bet the eating pictures were taken after the affidavit came out about her not feeding the kids.
I will also bet the messy suitcase pics had the same motive. I will bet they are "look, I'm not crazy and he is a liar".

 

[Melanie]

So do you think the pics from April 2 were just put there for the purposes of looking good for court? I wish we could find out if Julia's so-called 'friends' did the picture posting to help create a fraudulent view of Julia as a "normal" caring and nurturing mother.

People who interjected themselves into our own loved one's mental health crisis were extremely damaging and caused a great deal more harm than good. A precious baby could easily have died in our case also.

That certain set of photos made sense to me too -- after reading the declaration. S indicated she didn't feed the children nor kept food in the house. But lo and behold photos of M making organic food, with bowls of food on the counter, along with enough fruit to feed an army. Coincidental? I think not.

I have a feeling there was a reason for every single photo taken, and each was calculated and staged!

Just my opinion.

Mel

ETA Fruit Piccie. Seriously - do you have that much fruit on your counter for 3 people?

 

[meetingsaramarshall]

I have such compassion for others who have shared their childhoods with us. I just wanted to add when I read the above post that my father would appear
normal around others but living with him was like...

MOO

Respectfully snipped.

DITTO.

 

[pferrin]

Rougelatete..we are very appreciative of you mumbo-jumbo. Thank you.

 

[Rougelatete]

but Mem, don't you know those mean doctors lie?! (tongue in cheek....LOL)

last week on nancy grace she put up a little text box with some of what was in the court documents where Julia says: I didn't try to kill myself... I only did it to get his attention... I don't have OCD.. I clean..." or something to that effect...

I think Julia has a lot more problems/issues than just OCD imhoo:twocents: and I bet she thinks the doctors are nutz and has not been compliant with her treatment... also jmhoo:twocents: As a nurse I have seen this sort of behavior before

Agreed, Nursebeeme. I see this a lot in my profession as well. I'm leaning towards some kind of PD that was misdiagnosed. You can't properly treat a disorder if you don't even know what it is. Lots of rationalization and deflecting going on here. I get more shocked by the minute that she was awarded full custody....and I think a lot of this hinges on that mediation meeting. That's my :twocents: as well!

 

[pferrin]

Rougelatete..how long can a psychotic break last????

 

[TorisMom003]

That certain set of photos made sense to me too -- after reading the declaration. S indicated she didn't feed the children nor kept food in the house. But lo and behold photos of M making organic food, with bowls of food on the counter, along with enough fruit to feed an army. Coincidental? I think not.

I have a feeling there was a reason for every single photo taken, and each was calculated and staged!

Just my opinion.

Mel

ETA Fruit Piccie. Seriously - do you have that much fruit on your counter for 3 people?

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Just to keep things straight, the photo you posted is of grandma's house, not the apartment. Does not matter much as that would only add one more person but did want to point out that the photo was taken before they moved into the apartment.

 

[Rougelatete]

Rougelatete..how long can a psychotic break last????

When it's part of bipolar disorder (or another non-psychotic disorder), it's usually a matter of hours or days. So, not very long. This is usually. Every person is different.

Psychosis, on the other, as seen in schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders can last much longer and happen much more frequently (and it's less-often referred to as a 'psychotic break'. In this case, it's more of a feature of the disorder -- the key word is "break," it's a temporary lapse in the normal presentation of the illness. Bipolar is not a psychotic disorder but you can have a momentary "break" in the normal features of the disorder that looks more like a psychotic state; often happens during a manic phase and, as I said, lasts hours to days, not usually weeks or months as in psychotic disorders).

A psychotic break looks like what it sounds like, though -- delusional, hallucinations, paranoid, aggressive, even violent. Again, it is very person-specific and I try to be careful to not make sweeping statements as if everyone experiences psychiatric symptoms the same as the next person.