WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #4

[Roselvr]

Lyle's nose makes me think he's aboriginal or Native American - or possibly Slavic. I honestly do not think he had anything to do with 9/11, either with the planning, the guilt trip or having family members who may have passed. I just don't get that feeling. BUT, those of you who DO hold that opinion are absolutely entitled to it and I love reading your opinions -- anyway, neither here nor there.

What we know is, no bus driver saw him or remembers dropping him off in WA. Could he have hitch hiked? Walked? Hopped a train without a ticket?

I don't know much about Native America, but, I do wonder if it is common for them to go missing from reservations and no one thinks much of it, or if they're close enough to each other to realize someone is missing, etc etc.

Also, can a Canadian accent be confused with another accent? (Possibly Scottish?? Maybe? IDK)

I just sent Jacie a PM to see what she thinks of Lyle with Carl's Recon. She thought he was Native American - Lakota/Nakota/Dakota or Arikara.

I think you're right about the Quinalt River Inn! Beautiful area. I always pictured the hotel as being a more anonymous chain place - this one looks rather peaceful. I bet when they remodeled the rooms they took out those lower-hanging clothes racks.

It was so poignant to see his blue plaid shirt on the chair - I immediately recognized it and felt so sad. Something unusual I noticed in the photos (from astridxx's international (!!) link) was the towel beneath the belt around his neck. Hotels usually have white towels. Perhaps he brought it with him? Was he seen with a backpack initially but it was never found? I will have to go back and read.

I'd never thought about it before, but some of the websites about suicide by hanging mention putting a towel or padding on the front quarter of the neck to keep the ligature from cutting into the skin.

There's a good synopsis and those same photos on this blog: http://uidmysteries.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-mysterious-case-of-lyle-stevik.html

Read the 2nd post I'm quoting about the motel.

Just a few thoughts; I checked out the FB page, Google searched LS and read about half this thread tonight.

When I saw his postmortem picture, my immediate impression was Arikara, from Montana/North Dakota area. He looks like several young guys who were in University classes with me who were from Ft Peck, MT or Mandaree, ND.

His height would be comparable to some Lakota/Nakota/Dakota or Arikara.

I would check United Tribes Technical College in Bismarck, North Dakota.

I wonder if this story was ever covered by Indian Country Today Media Network.

I went to 3 FB pages last night, just to compare the picture of LS to the guys. I can think of several people I know who have similar features to him.

I never looked at this thread before because I didn't know the connection to AI/NA. Where he was found is an AI area, the motel address he gave is AI, as well. Does anyone know if coldcaseman still reads/posts here?

 

[ezuke]

Lyle's nose makes me think he's aboriginal or Native American - or possibly Slavic. I honestly do not think he had anything to do with 9/11, either with the planning, the guilt trip or having family members who may have passed. I just don't get that feeling. BUT, those of you who DO hold that opinion are absolutely entitled to it and I love reading your opinions -- anyway, neither here nor there.

What we know is, no bus driver saw him or remembers dropping him off in WA. Could he have hitch hiked? Walked? Hopped a train without a ticket?

I don't know much about Native America, but, I do wonder if it is common for them to go missing from reservations and no one thinks much of it, or if they're close enough to each other to realize someone is missing, etc etc.

Also, can a Canadian accent be confused with another accent? (Possibly Scottish?? Maybe? IDK)

re: the accent, I always thought that this could be a Minnesota accent because lots of Americans think we (Canadians) sound like that. imo, of course.


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[curiouslittleone]

canadian and brittish have some similar qualities, not "posh english" but regular english

 

[carbuff]

Canadian is a lot more subtle though. I would think it's most likely to be mistaken for an upper midwest US accent, Minnesota-Wisconsin-Michgan.

 

[dotr]

Link for Canadian accents, broken down by province/city.
Wonder if the hotel clerk is still around and if so, could they remember accent if presented with samples from Canadian tv shows?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanadianAccents


Quick, easy read article from January/14

http://theweek.com/article/index/25...tell-a-canadian-accent-from-a-californian-one

"If you're like many Americans, your impression of the Canadian accent will be quite different. The vowels probably sound "clean" and maybe a little "tight." Dude would definitely be like "dood," and you wouldn't have any "laid-back" sound in words like bit and bet.

If those are your general impressions, then you're probably more or less right about California, according to studies done by various linguists such as Penelope Eckert, Robert Hagiwara, and Charles Boberg.

And entirely wrong about Canada.

In fact, if you wanted to improve your Canadian accent, you would do better to just use your Californian accent. In some important ways it is closer to the real Canadian accent (and vice versa) than other American accents are — especially those right across the border from Canada in Buffalo and Detroit!

It's not that the Californian and Canadian accents are identical. In words such as night and house you may hear a difference (though the common idea among Americans that Canadians say "oot" for out is false — actually the out vowel is just a little higher in the mouth than the American version). But there are a lot of points of commonality."

 

[carbuff]

That article is making distinctions far finer than most untrained ears can hear Certainly than what I can identify.

 

[dotr]

That article is making distinctions far finer than most untrained ears can hear Certainly than what I can identify.

Thinking that it would be best if hotel clerk could give their interpretation of Canadian accent.

For example, on late night tv show SNL, an actor playing Toronto's mayor R.F. in opening monologue, used his interpretation of RF's ' Canadian" accent,
which did not sound like that particular mayor, or like a typical C. accent. imo.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/17/rob-ford-spoofed-in-snl-opening-sketch
ibm.
"Many Canadian Twitter users were also insulted by the bad accents. There was the obligatory “eh” and a really bad “aboot” – the typical stereotypes. It’s a shame too, since R F’s accent IS really funny. Hoser accents must be hard for Americans to master. And just for the record, Scottish people say “a-boot” – Canadians say “a-boat.”

 

[Philigumbo]

He looks more Native American to me in those postmortem photos.

 

[rosesfromangels]

A link to Websleuths is provided, also 2 very close up postmortem pics. that I am not sure have been seen before, warning, probably for very good reason, but that silver belt buckle is interesting.

So now looking at these postmortems (especially the profile) he looks *sooooo* native American to me. Good grief, first I thought French Canadian. This guy is hard to pin down!

 

[astridxx]

He's so distinct looking. He was a really, really good looking guy. Almost perfect IMO.


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[outofthedark]

I say "huh" and "yeah", but not "eh". I don't even know anyone who says "eh".

(that was in response to an above post)

 

[jeweliew]

I agree with astridxx, his features are very prominent and somewhat exotic...i really don't think he's American....he chose pretty much the most western part of the US, so my initial thought was maybe from the east coast, but after researching literally EVERY state missing persons from 1999-2003, I can't up with nothing...I am going to begin in Europe next...wish me luck!

 

[astridxx]

Posted his PM on my IG along with the 25 most popular tags.


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[LucyOso]

Wait - you know what - there is probably a very slim chance he is Mexican, Central American or South American. I'm not saying no Hispanics are circumcised, but the majority of them are not. It's just not something they do - IDK if it's for lack of money or lack of technology or because of religious beliefs (either Catholic or Evangelist)...

Lyle, however, was circumcised.

The majority of the world does not circumcise their children as there is little medical evidence to back the need pr practice. However, it is done for medical reasons many times. But, knowing he is, and guessing his age I am sure we could narrow down countries by default where it was practiced.

The other thing that could still be helpful is tracking the LOT number on the toothpaste. In the USA there are general areas where items are shipped. They have to be tracked to a degree in case of recall.

 

[astridxx]

Lucy, email the detective in the case and ask if he can do that!! The toothpaste is an excellent idea!!


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[dotr]

I agree with astridxx, his features are very prominent and somewhat exotic...i really don't think he's American....he chose pretty much the most western part of the US, so my initial thought was maybe from the east coast, but after researching literally EVERY state missing persons from 1999-2003, I can't up with nothing...I am going to begin in Europe next...wish me luck!

Welcome to Ws. jeweliew!
Lyle does have exotic, movie star good looks, imo, who could forget him?

 

[astridxx]

This is kind of OT, but related. I'm excited to be walking in an Out of the Darkness walk on 9/28 in my city and I'll be thinking of Lyle and of the Annandale Jane Doe (aka Christmas Tree Lady) as I go.

 

[jeweliew]

Thank you dotr for the welcome...I was thinking about Lyle last night, about the possible connection to 9/11, I have never believed he was part of any conspiracy. I did think maybe he had lost family or a loved on in the attacks, possibly ask family...then I realized he must have had family, why else would he use an alias? It would only make sense to use an alias if he was trying to avoid being identified by someone...

 

[astridxx]

Thank you dotr for the welcome...I was thinking about Lyle last night, about the possible connection to 9/11, I have never believed he was part of any conspiracy. I did think maybe he had lost family or a loved on in the attacks, possibly ask family...then I realized he must have had family, why else would he use an alias? It would only make sense to use an alias if he was trying to avoid being identified by someone...

I was wondering if maybe the clothes he was wearing were from a deceased (possibly?) family member... that's the only thing, IMO, that would explain the belt notches and baggy pants, but no saggy skin (from rapid weight loss).

 

[jeweliew]

Is it just me, or does anyone else see a resemblance between Lyle and the actor Robert Pattison... the jawline and nose are so similar and they both have hazel eyes. Which to me is one of the most distinct characteristics. Hazel eyes are very uncommon in alot of ethnicities.Robert is from England...Not sure why, but i see very European features...