WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[SMK]

addendum Dr. Massei admits Rudy entered the nursery school unlawfully, admits he was found with a knife, admits he was found with items from the law offices---appalling and alarming, that he had doubts, and wanted no investigation....really sickening to me.

 

[Allusonz]

Thank you. So, using a rock, he smashed a window 10 feet above the ground, but we don't know anything about the wall.

If you read further in the article

An indentical break-in, with a rock thrown through a window, occurred on the Via della Pergola in Perugia on Nov. 1, 2007, the same night Kercher was sexually assaulted and murdered in a house she shared with Knox and two young Italian women

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-27/at-knox-trial-the-killer-speaks/

 

[wasnt_me]

wasn't me,
I hope you are kidding about the 'wasn't even thoroughly investigated' part. Surely you don't think the police did not search the ground outside the window, the wall, and the surrounding area. That is making the 'conspiracy' into something so huge it isn't even feasible. This will not get anywhere in regards to understanding the case IMO.

I am not kidding you. thoroughly investigated means you will take detailed pictures of the ground, for one. There are none.

Thorouhly investigated means you'll try to fingerprint the rock and or the glass and the window frame. You will look for DNA on those things as well. Thoroughly investigated means they'd be able to tell us for certain whether those grains on the clothes did indeed come off the outside wall.

Where is all this information? We have all these close up pictures of the window. Where are the close up pictures for outside? We have all this luminol all over the house. Where is the luminol for the window? Was the window tested for AK and RS's finger prints to prove it was staged?

Did I miss it, because I'm saying we got plenty good pictures of FR's room, but no good upclose pics of outside and the ground to prove there is or is not glass, to prove there are or are not footprints.

 

[Allusonz]

That's what they said. Someone else had theorized it might have cut pasta. Either way, they theorize that the starch would have absorbed blood or DNA.

Right which I believe to be the main point of the article not the bread

 

[wasnt_me]

Of course the outside of the cottage was investigated:

"On this subject it is also useful to recall that at the hearing of April 23, 2009, the witness Gioia Brocci mentioned above declared that she had observed the exterior of the house, paying particular attention to the wall underneath the window with the broken pane, the window of the room then occupied by Filomena Romanelli. She said: "We observed both the wall...underneath the window and all of the vegetation underneath the window, and we noted that there were no traces on the wall, no traces of earth, of grass, nothing, no streaks, nothing at all, and none [39] of the vegetation underneath the window appeared to have been trampled; nothing" (p. 142 declarations of Gioia Brocci). She also recalled the existence of a nail on that wall, which jutted out about 6cm, and added that "walking along the outside perimeter of the house" her shoes became dirty with "grass attached to the shoes" (p. 145, cf. also declarations of the assistant Zugarini, hearing of Feb. 28, 2009, p. 133).

The next fact to consider is that the pieces of glass from the broken pane were distributed in a homogeneous manner on the inside and outside parts of the windowsill, without any displacement being noted or any piece of glass being found on the ground underneath the window." (pgs. 50-51)

Ref: Judge's Summary

Again, where are the pictures to prove her "observations?" they observed a big footprint on the bathmat. We have that picture. They observed a dead body on the floor. we have that picture. So where are the pictures of outside observations?

 

[Allusonz]

I am not kidding you. thoroughly investigated means you will take detailed pictures of the ground, for one. There are none.

Thorouhly investigated means you'll try to fingerprint the rock and or the glass and the window frame. You will look for DNA on those things as well. Thoroughly investigated means they'd be able to tell us for certain whether those grains on the clothes did indeed come off the outside wall.

Where is all this information? We have all these close up pictures of the window. Where are the close up pictures for outside? We have all this luminol all over the house. Where is the luminol for the window? Was the window tested for AK and RS's finger prints to prove it was staged?

Did I miss it, because I'm saying we got plenty good pictures of FR's room, but no good upclose pics of outside and the ground to prove there is or is not glass, to prove there are or are not footprints.

None of what you have stated above was done. There was no analysis of the ground, no forensics done on the rock etc, no close up pictures of the ground below, they relied on the memory of people such as Filomena's memory which in her particular state I seriously doubt she was looking for glass under leaves, in the grass etc

 

[otto]

Cannot find Otto's post so am not quoting, but this is @OTTO as per his request about where it is stated that Rudy Guede has a history of burglary, unlawful entry, etc.

Sentence of the Court of Assizes of Perugia
Presided over by Dr. Giancarlo Massei
In the Murder of Meredith Kercher
pp. 45-48

Truly ALARMING that Massei would then DARE to say "even if one accepts Rudy Guede did enact these crimes"---if that does not reek of "police informant protection"--ugh. You and Sherlock seem to read the motivation through rose-colored glasses. Read it, it will not be copy/pasted.

Thank you. So Rudy does prefer metal grills and balconys, like the metal grill and balcony at the cottage.

"The lawyer Palazzoli, who testified at the same hearing, and who was a colleague in the same law firm as Brocchi, declared that the broken window was "a French window opening onto a small balcony overlooking the inner courtyard of the building; beneath it, corresponding precisely to our window, there is a door equipped with a metal grille..." (p. 41, hearing of June 26, 2009)." (pg 46)

"Even if one accepts that Rudy was the burglar who broke into the law office of the lawyers Brocchi and Palazzoli and into Tramontano's house, it must be observed that Rudy was not known by these, nor by the director of the nursery school in via Plinio, Milan; this situation is entirely different from the one at via della Pergola (and the difference is not a minor one), where Rudy knew the boys from the downstairs flat and knew Meredith and Amanda, and they knew him."

 

[wasnt_me]

There have been a couple of requests for media articles describing Rudy scaling 2 story walls with rocks to enter a law office. The wall has been described as identical to that of the cottage. I searched the net for info ... couldn't find it ... so if someone has a link to a media article, I think many are interested. As it stands, it seems to be rumor and gossip.

I can help you look, but it's my understanding that the victims of these crimes testified to these things. If their word doesn't carry weight with you, I understand. But that should also mean FR's memory about her room shouldn't either.

 

[otto]

Again, where are the pictures to prove her "observations?" they observed a big footprint on the bathmat. We have that picture. They observed a dead body on the floor. we have that picture. So where are the pictures of outside observations?

Hardy claims to have 100 photos and videos of the murder from the family/lawyer. I suppose he would be the guy to ask.

 

[SMK]

Thank you. So Rudy does prefer metal grills and balconys, like the metal grill and balcony at the cottage.

"The lawyer Palazzoli, who testified at the same hearing, and who was a colleague in the same law firm as Brocchi, declared that the broken window was "a French window opening onto a small balcony overlooking the inner courtyard of the building; beneath it, corresponding precisely to our window, there is a door equipped with a metal grille..." (p. 41, hearing of June 26, 2009)." (pg 46)

"Even if one accepts that Rudy was the burglar who broke into the law office of the lawyers Brocchi and Palazzoli and into Tramontano's house, it must be observed that Rudy was not known by these, nor by the director of the nursery school in via Plinio, Milan; this situation is entirely different from the one at via della Pergola (and the difference is not a minor one), where Rudy knew the boys from the downstairs flat and knew Meredith and Amanda, and they knew him."

this makes one want to tear one's hair. I have unfortunately KNOWN many drug takers-part-time-burglars (against my will, because my sister hung out with them) and they will rob strangers, they will rob you, my sister's friends robbed her and our mother at knife point)---why would Rudy say "gee, no one is home, but my honor says I do not dare rob these fine friends" - I think Massei was leaving a bread crumb trail for the convictions to be overturned---he would please the prosecution, then write an ABSURD report full of CLUES, etc....................My god, is all I can say.

 

[wasnt_me]

For those who believe in RS and AK's Guilt:

I wanted you to know, personally, I can't wait to find some evidence to definitively link a killer to a murder, because I want them to fry. that's just how I am inside. I'm angry about this crime and I want the perp to pay. I sincerely do. In this case, I cannot find that piece of evidence to grasp onto.

I'm equally against accusing the wrong person as I am for finding the right one. I'm sure you guys feel the same way, but I'm telling you this because I'm practically begging you to get me to see the hard evidence that you see. If I can see it, I'm flipping on AK and RS faster than they flipped on each other.

But so far, everything can be explained for me. So please, I'm seriously begging you, give me that thing that makes me say guilty. In return, if I can explain it away, let me at least have that it's reasonable doubt, even if you don't doubt it. Thanks!

 

[wasnt_me]

The court concluded that he did use the front door.:giggle:

:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

Yes, Otto, this was quite witty. I'll give it to you. :rocker:

 

[SMK]

For those who believe in RS and AK's Guilt:

I wanted you to know, personally, I can't wait to find some evidence to definitively link a killer to a murder, because I want them to fry. that's just how I am inside. I'm angry about this crime and I want the perp to pay. I sincerely do. In this case, I cannot find that piece of evidence to grasp onto.

I'm equally against accusing the wrong person as I am for finding the right one. I'm sure you guys feel the same way, but I'm telling you this because I'm practically begging you to get me to see the hard evidence that you see. If I can see it, I'm flipping on AK and RS faster than they flipped on each other.

But so far, everything can be explained for me. So please, I'm seriously begging you, give me that thing that makes me say guilty. In return, if I can explain it away, let me at least have that it's reasonable doubt, even if you don't doubt it. Thanks!

You will not be given it. There is no reason, because they were not involved. Rudy knew Filomina collected the group's rent $$$. He knew the rents were due. He was facing eviction. He knew noone was home. He broke in. He was confident enough to take a toilet break and listen to his iPod. Meredith surprised him by returning early. He was trapped. He confronted her. She fought back. If there is a God, the convictions will be overturned, and the Knox and Sollecito families will sue for millions.

 

[wasnt_me]

It depends on the neighborhood, but I've had several friends who couldn't get L.A. police to respond to break-ins where no one was hurt and the amount stolen was relatively minimal. Another friend went out to her car in a parking lot and found a confused, elderly man had driven his own car UP ON TOP OF HERS and was sitting up there, revving his engine. She called 911 and they told her to call a tow truck, the police were busy.

Now none of this happened in Perugia, where they have policemen available to return lost cell phones. I think the point was just that not everyone reacts to a break-in with hysteria. Once the murder was discovered, things changed quickly, of course.

I completely agree with the point and that car story was hil-ar-ious!

Extending on my point, I thought it was SO strange for my renter to want to leave the crime scene. I mean, it was his house, his stuff, but he was talking about leaving the house unsecure. I wouldn't have done that. i was breaking speeds to get over there, but people just react differently.

 

[ChasingMoxie]

So the kitchen knife used during the murder was previously used to cut bread?
(ref: Frank's blog)

It doesn't work both ways. The knife was either cleaned, leaving no blood or starch on it. Or not cleaned, and not used in a murder.

 

[wasnt_me]

Thank you. So Rudy does prefer metal grills and balconys, like the metal grill and balcony at the cottage.

Or the metal grill on the window below the other window. Again, it's not the defense's job to explain why he chose that window. It's the prosecution's job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt why he did NOT use the window as the scene depicts.

Apparently in one of the crimes at the school, a woman caught him in there. We can easily ask why did he not kill this woman, as MK was killed. But this is a mute point because MK is dead and his dina is all over her and in her.

Maybe he was escalating. Maybe the police had warned him that he'd better not be caught again, so he killed MK. I just find it completely odd that he'd not only get caught by the woman in the school, but apparently sit there and wait for the police to come. It sounds from the articles I read that he did wait.

So maybe this time, he was like "Hell, no" and he'll just kill the chick.

 

[SMK]

Hardy claims to have 100 photos and videos of the murder from the family/lawyer. I suppose he would be the guy to ask.

do you mean Hendry? who is Hardy?

 

[Nova]

Cannot find Otto's post so am not quoting, but this is @OTTO as per his request about where it is stated that Rudy Guede has a history of burglary, unlawful entry, etc.

Sentence of the Court of Assizes of Perugia
Presided over by Dr. Giancarlo Massei
In the Murder of Meredith Kercher
pp. 45-48

Truly ALARMING that Massei would then DARE to say "even if one accepts Rudy Guede did enact these crimes"---if that does not reek of "police informant protection"--ugh. You and Sherlock seem to read the motivation through rose-colored glasses. Read it, it will not be copy/pasted.

I'm not arguing your basic premise that RG was an ILE informant. The arguments makes sense to me and I have no quarrel with them.

But "even if one accepts" (assuming the translation is accurate) is rather standard lawyer language, particular if RG hadn't yet been tried and convicted of the other offenses. I wouldn't be too alarmed that Massei uses those words or attach too much meaning to them.

 

[Nova]

Thank you. So Rudy does prefer metal grills and balconys, like the metal grill and balcony at the cottage.

"The lawyer Palazzoli, who testified at the same hearing, and who was a colleague in the same law firm as Brocchi, declared that the broken window was "a French window opening onto a small balcony overlooking the inner courtyard of the building; beneath it, corresponding precisely to our window, there is a door equipped with a metal grille..." (p. 41, hearing of June 26, 2009)." (pg 46)

"Even if one accepts that Rudy was the burglar who broke into the law office of the lawyers Brocchi and Palazzoli and into Tramontano's house, it must be observed that Rudy was not known by these, nor by the director of the nursery school in via Plinio, Milan; this situation is entirely different from the one at via della Pergola (and the difference is not a minor one), where Rudy knew the boys from the downstairs flat and knew Meredith and Amanda, and they knew him."

To me, this is the sort of leap Massei makes throughout the Motivation Report. The break-in at vie della Pergola is "entirely different" from RG's other crimes because RG knew the tenants downstairs. Huh? Why?

Since RG knew the boys downstairs, he may have known that none of them would be home. Otherwise, I don't see how that makes this break-in inherently different from others.

It's just a leap Massei makes without explanation in order to reach the preordained conclusion that AK and RS are guilty.

 

[wasnt_me]

Hardy claims to have 100 photos and videos of the murder from the family/lawyer. I suppose he would be the guy to ask.

Except that he's the one who reports that those pictures do not exist in evidence. I am guessing what he got was not filmed by the family or lawyer, but by the investigators on the scene.