Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #5

[mollymalone]

Do you happen to know the circumstances of his leaving the sect?

I could be wrong about Wisan being a former member, but I thought I'd read that. I know he's an accountant. There's a lot of information about the trust online. Just google Bruce Wisan.

 

[mollymalone]

Two of Blackmore's wives are American and could be deported, leaving their children behind. Both say their children are Canadian citizens and are entitled to be there, and with their father, Winston Blackmore. They do not want to be deported.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/11/acd.02.html
SIMON: But these aren't the family's only problems. Blackmore says he could face trouble for having sex with some of his wives when they were in their teens. In Canada, a girl can marry at 16, but if they were any younger Blackmore could be arrested and prosecuted for having sex with a minor.
Were any of the women under 16 when you married them?
WINSTON BLACKMORE, POLYGAMIST: Yes, just barely.
SIMON: Just barely?
BLACKMORE: Just barely.
SIMON: Blackmore didn't exactly say how many of his wives were under 16 when they married.
BLACKMORE: There was one that was and one that lied about her age, but that's not unusual for women, is it?

 

[mysteriew]

http://publicrecords.netronline.com/dir.aspx?StateID=45
Schleicher County doesn't have any records online...yet.

I thought this was Tom Green County?

http://www.tomgreencad.com/

 

[Fairy1]

I could be wrong about Wisan being a former member, but I thought I'd read that. I know he's an accountant. There's a lot of information about the trust online. Just google Bruce Wisan.

Will do MM - thank you.

 

[Truly]

Truly- I agree w/you about the $ bringing this whole thing down- Sadly, the abuses of children (that grow up to be abusive adults due to mind control, etc) is too convoluted for the criminal justice system to deal with, and not important enuff to persue (up to now).

Oh, I absolutely agree that the sexual abuse of children is the most important thing here. That is the reason this case means so much to me. I do have confidence that the people responsible for imprisoning and raping these hundreds of kids will be prosecuted for those crimes.

I think that tracing the massive amounts of money that these cult leaders are rolling in will be the key to capturing and identifying who all is involved in this criminal organization. They built a very expensive resort on that property in Texas. This is not some little gardening commune, they were breeding children to be traded around as sex slaves. There is an awful lot of money invested in this operation. Following the money will catch all of the investors in the net, is my hope. The 'religion' lie is nothing but a cover-up, imo

 

[mollymalone]

I thought this was Tom Green County?

http://www.tomgreencad.com/

I looked up Eldorado Tx. and that's what it gave me for the county. Schleicher County. The compound is close to Eldorado.

San Angelo is in Tom Green County, that's where the hearings were held.

Speaking of the money trail I found this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...11/acd.02.html
"Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff hasn't filed charges, but he's investigating Jeffs for cooking the books, avoiding taxes, even setting up offshore accounts."

 

[Seven]

Oh I'm quite sure they were siphoning money! But who is this guy and what is his affiliation to the FLDS? Anyone know?

According to the article, he's "court-appointed special fiduciary of the church's financial arm" and "a judge recently reformed the trust, clearing the way for private property ownership."

But what are the odds that the sister wives w/b owners of the private property they've worked like slaves for decades?!:furious:

 

[mollymalone]

Will do MM - thank you.

You're welcome.
I'm still trying to find out how one registers a church, especially this one.

 

[Fairy1]

According to the article, he's "court-appointed special fiduciary of the church's financial arm" and "a judge recently reformed the trust, clearing the way for private property ownership."

But what are the odds that the sister wives w/b owners of the private property they've worked like slaves for decades?!:furious:

Slim to none. Actually none...

 

[galvino]

Truly-
Isn't it sad that the REAL abuse (of the kids) is probably only going to be 'managed', while the abuse of power/financial corruption is what will cause our gov't to respond!

 

[Truly]

You're welcome.
I'm still trying to find out how one registers a church, especially this one.

I actually think that is quite important here. I think they are just a bunch of con-men. If it turns out that they are not even a legitimate church, all that boo-hooing about their rights goes right out the window. I think they just used the facade of religion to terrorize young kids. For decades.

 

[mysteriew]

Texas appeals court cancels hearing on relocation of FLDS children

A Texas appellate court has canceled a hearing set for Tuesday that sought to challenge a district judge's decision to send children removed from a polygamous sect's ranch to group and foster homes throughout the state.
The Third Court of Appeals said Friday that Tom Green County Judge Barbara Walther's order to move the FLDS children beyond a five-county area met statutory requirements.
http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9060445

 

[FlowerChild]

LOL, that is part of the problem. Those marriages are recognized in the State of Texas. Texas recognizes common law marriages. So if a man is married legally to the first wife and spiritually to wives 2 through whatever- he could be considered to have committed bigamy with all wives over first wife. The Texas laws regarding common law marriage have been posted several times in these threads.

I have a friend who lives in Texas. He lived with a girlfriend for several years, then they split. They never married. She filed for divorce so that she could lay claim to some property he owned (he said he didn't recognize them as married, but she did). The court did uphold the marriage and issue a divorce and a property settlement, under the common law marriage statutes.

I understand "common law" in Texas, I did it for 7 years before actually marrying legally - and I even got hubby's medical benefits because of it.

This will be something left to the courts and will not be as simple to prove as it seems....BOTH PARTIES in the marriage have to represent themselves publicly AS MARRIED - and I doubt a single FLDS-er will swear that the couple did so in their presence. Plus the spiritual wives go OUTSIDE the FLDS and represent themselves to the STATE (to get WIC and Food Stamps) as UNMARRIED single mothers - no fathers/husbands anywhere. I am not even sure, based on the remoteness of the ranch and it's forced seclusion that the state can even prove the couples co-habitated EVER. I mean these women and children live in HUGE DORMS with communal sleeping rooms for the kids and a big industrial shared kitchen area - not even sure where the husband would call his "room"? Perhaps ONLY with wife #1 (legal wife) and the other women are just "room-mates of theirs? And they get their mail at separate PO boxes within the ranch - so each woman must have a separate LEGAL address on record with the state, sans husband or father.

Common Law marriage usually involves - JOINTLY OWNED PROPERTY - which I can assure you, the FLDS doesn't "do" - heck, they don't own ANYTHING - it's either owned by the husband's business or the YFZ version of the UEP. There is no real PERSONAL PROPERTY - it isn't "done" that way in the FLDS (more control over even the MEN that way). Nothing on the YFZ Ranch is owned by ANYONE living there (at least in the eyes of the state) - and I am betting that each business may be a CORPORATION - owned by members of the UEP - NOT and individual person. Common Law Marriage is supposed to be judged on the INTENT of the two people and is often set by HOW LONG the two have been "together" - again, not something easily proved by the authorities. These folks won't even reveal who's kids are whos - I doubt they are going to be any more honest about something that could get their husband/priest thrown in JAIL.

My Opinion

 

[Fairy1]

Truly-
Isn't it sad that the REAL abuse (of the kids) is probably only going to be 'managed', while the abuse of power/financial corruption is what will cause our gov't to respond!

As I've said, I don't give a rat's a** what caused the response! Since the women and children were removed from the compound, we've seen and heard their lies and evasive manner. For the most part, it seems that they are not at all forthcoming with what happens within those walls. Furthermore, they don't seem to even be aware that what they've experienced within their community is considered abuse by mainstream society. Whatever takes them down is fine by me.

 

[mollymalone]

I just read that AZ didn't just charge Jeffs, they've filed on about eight more flds men with underage sex charges, but I didn't see the names.

I also ran across this:
http://www.scribd.com/people/view/649481-rulonwarren
Documents and copies of priesthood histories taught 3-8 graders
and some for 5-8 graders by Warren Jeffs.

 

[Seven]

Slim to none. Actually none...

A little more about this Wisan character.

Apparently, he's willing to settle a claim by 6 "lost boys" against the UEP

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy626.html

but he wants a similar claim by "a former teen bride" to be thrown out of court

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=27085&con=4&sec=26

I'm thinking the "teen brides" need to file a class action! :behindbar

 

[Truly]

Truly-
Isn't it sad that the REAL abuse (of the kids) is probably only going to be 'managed', while the abuse of power/financial corruption is what will cause our gov't to respond!

I am actually concerned that the whole operation has been allowed to exist without prosecution for all these years because certain players have the right connections.

The government responded in this case because CPS acted on behalf of the kids. The murky financial ties are still to be investigated.

I really think that the discovery of such a huge child-breeding ring is what brought this case to light, and I think that is what the perps will go to prison for. I have my doubts as to whether the corruption will be investigated and prosecuted.

 

[Fairy1]

A little more about this Wisan character.

Apparently, he's willing to settle a claim by 6 "lost boys" against the UEP

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy626.html

but he wants a similar claim by "a former teen bride" to be thrown out of court

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=27085&con=4&sec=26

I'm thinking the "teen brides" need to file a class action! :behindbar

Ohhhhh, so the settlement is on behalf of the Lost Boys. Good! These poor boys have been banised from everything they've ever know - which has NOTHING to do with the world into which they were quite literally dumped. I am all for helping these children. For those who are horrified by the FLDS children being "ripped" away from their parents, remember these boys who have been thrown out by those same parents....and I use that the term "parents" very loosely. More like brood mares and studs....:furious:

 

[mollymalone]

Geoff Morrell, spokesman for the Pentagon, said that contracts are given out on who is effective of meeting supply and demand at a reasonable cost to US taxpayers. He added: “We do not consider religious affiliation or marital status when selecting vendors, but illegal activity is certainly cause for termination of a contract and perhaps even debarment, which could prevent a contractor from doing business with department ever again.”

 

[mysteriew]

I understand "common law" in Texas, I did it for 7 years before actually marrying legally - and I even got hubby's medical benefits because of it.

This will be something left to the courts and will not be as simple to prove as it seems....BOTH PARTIES in the marriage have to represent themselves publicly AS MARRIED - and I doubt a single FLDS-er will swear that the couple did so in their presence. Plus the spiritual wives go OUTSIDE the FLDS and represent themselves to the STATE (to get WIC and Food Stamps) as UNMARRIED single mothers - no fathers/husbands anywhere. I am not even sure, based on the remoteness of the ranch and it's forced seclusion that the state can even prove the couples co-habitated EVER. I mean these women and children live in HUGE DORMS with communal sleeping rooms for the kids and a big industrial shared kitchen area - not even sure where the husband would call his "room"? Perhaps ONLY with wife #1 (legal wife) and the other women are just "room-mates of theirs? And they get their mail at separate PO boxes within the ranch - so each woman must have a separate LEGAL address on record with the state, sans husband or father.

Common Law marriage usually involves - JOINTLY OWNED PROPERTY - which I can assure you, the FLDS doesn't "do" - heck, they don't own ANYTHING - it's either owned by the husband's business or the YFZ version of the UEP. There is no real PERSONAL PROPERTY - it isn't "done" that way in the FLDS (more control over even the MEN that way). Nothing on the YFZ Ranch is owned by ANYONE living there (at least in the eyes of the state) - and I am betting that each business may be a CORPORATION - owned by members of the UEP - NOT and individual person. Common Law Marriage is supposed to be judged on the INTENT of the two people and is often set by HOW LONG the two have been "together" - again, not something easily proved by the authorities. These folks won't even reveal who's kids are whos - I doubt they are going to be any more honest about something that could get their husband/priest thrown in JAIL.

My Opinion

IIRC they got the book in which the spiritual marriages were recorded, during the search.