Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #5

[cheko1]

Despite the fact that criminal charges haven't been filed against him. He's hired a "criminal defense attorney."

Wonder if he has a clue how many wifes or children are his?
He's probably one of the guiltiest!

 

[Fairy1]

Geoff Morrell, spokesman for the Pentagon, said that contracts are given out on who is effective of meeting supply and demand at a reasonable cost to US taxpayers. He added: “We do not consider religious affiliation or marital status when selecting vendors, but illegal activity is certainly cause for termination of a contract and perhaps even debarment, which could prevent a contractor from doing business with department ever again.”

Well I'm sorry, but if the friggen PENTAGON is incapable of doing better research into US vendors, I fear we don't stand a chance against the terrorists! Jeez.

 

[mollymalone]

IIRC they got the book in which the spiritual marriages were recorded, during the search.

Don't forget the genealogies!

 

[Fairy1]

Wonder if he has a clue how many wifes or children are his?
He's probably one of the guiltiest!

He might have a rough estimate. I'm sure he doesn't know the exact numbers.....or names. Creep.

 

[galvino]

Truly- I think that the $ will indeed be investigated and what becomes the 1st domino in the downfall of this sect. It is not as murky and is easier to confirm -

The child abuse is easier to get upset about, but has less of a paper trail and is harder to prove. I think LE will go for the easiest infraction they can prove, then take their time to build a case against these azz faces

 

[Truly]

I just read that AZ didn't just charge Jeffs, they've filed on about eight more flds men with underage sex charges, but I didn't see the names.

I also ran across this:
http://www.scribd.com/people/view/649481-rulonwarren
Documents and copies of priesthood histories taught 3-8 graders
and some for 5-8 graders by Warren Jeffs.

Good catch on that link! Did you notice he has 'No Friends Yet'!:crazy: I will go back and read some of that over the weekend. See exactly what he said to these kids. What a creep.

If you recall the links for the AZ charges or that quote from the Pentagon, I'd love to read them, too! Thanks Molly, you rock!:clap:

 

[Seven]

Ohhhhh, so the settlement is on behalf of the Lost Boys. Good! These poor boys have been banised from everything they've ever know - which has NOTHING to do with the world into which they were quite literally dumped. I am all for helping these children. For those who are horrified by the FLDS children being "ripped" away from their parents, remember these boys who have been thrown out by those same parents....and I use that the term "parents" very loosely. More like brood mares and studs....:furious:

I remember reading somewhere that ever since Warrent Jeffs took over as Prophet, women feel they have to ask their men for advice/permission to do even the simplest common-sense tasks! :sick:

I hope the teen-bride Wall doesn't fall for this junk by Wisan: "Fiduciary Bruce R. Wisan, who was appointed in 2005 to oversee the UEP trust, wants Wall's lawsuit thrown out. He argues the trust cannot be held liable for criminal acts of a trustee . . ."
http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=27085&con=4&sec=26

Hello! I'm assuming her case was brought in civil court. That's what civil court is for: To obtain monetary payment for damages that may or may not be criminal but haven't been filed in criminal court.

"An early effort to settle the lawsuit failed. In her settlement offer, Wall sought property and $1 million to set up a fund for those leaving the sect.

Wisan said if she succeeds, Wall will decimate the trust and pave the way for other teen brides to make similar claims." :boohoo: :boohoo:

Exactly!

 

[mollymalone]

:blowkiss:

Good catch on that link! Did you notice he has 'No Friends Yet'!:crazy: I will go back and read some of that over the weekend. See exactly what he said to these kids. What a creep.

If you recall the links for the AZ charges or that quote from the Pentagon, I'd love to read them, too! Thanks Molly, you rock!:clap:

Thanks!
I've seen this quote on other articles, but this site is where I saw it tonight:http://www.groundreport.com/US/Pentagon-Contracts-Reveal-Six-Degrees-of-FLDS-Foun

 

[FlowerChild]

Ohhhhh, so the settlement is on behalf of the Lost Boys. Good! These poor boys have been banised from everything they've ever know - which has NOTHING to do with the world into which they were quite literally dumped. I am all for helping these children. For those who are horrified by the FLDS children being "ripped" away from their parents, remember these boys who have been thrown out by those same parents....and I use that the term "parents" very loosely. More like brood mares and studs....:furious:

Well ya know they can't GELD the extra boys, so they have to run 99% of the young stallions outta the herd pretty young, before some 14 year old girl looks at one and decides she might want to have a "plural celestial marriage" with someone not old enough to be her Grandfather (or who isn't her 1st cousin or uncle).

And that's what just infuriates me with all the soft spoken, weak, compliant. "sweet" fresh faced pastel covered mothers getting in front of the TV cameras and fake crying about how "the children" are being ripped from their arms and how they need "the children" (collective "the children", not THEIR child/children or son or daughter) - when they have stood back and ALLOWED their sons to be dumped like a batch of unwanted mongrel puppies on the side of the road FOR YEARS! The coin of the FLDS Realm is GIRLS - "sweet", well "trained" GIRLS - raised up from BIRTH to be the compliant, emotionless, baby bearing, meek and obedient 5th wife of some OLD MAN 25 years her senior. The more wives and children, the bigger the man's planet in heaven - where he will reign for eternity, as a "God" surrounded by all his "Goddess" plural wives...wearing pastel prairie dresses and 3 layers of long underwear probably.

It is very much like a "breeding" operation - you get out your lineage charts and line up the stud service and get yourself a fine batch of fillies (which are coincidentally ALL part of the same "sweet, well behaved blood lines") and start pumping out babies. You start training the girls for "brood mare service" as soon as they hit the ground, trade off the fiery, high strung ones to your buddies in Mexico or Canada and then you pick thru the batch of boys and every 15 years or so, keep one with the right genes to replace the old stallions that can't get the job done anymore in the barn --- and as for the rest, after you work them to the bone for 10 or 12 years you just dump them in the road near the glue factory.

Like puppy mills, it's probably quite profitable. I mean once you already have a BARN FULL, what's a few MORE mouths to feed (and after all, they are so "sweet" and "well trained" - you just need to braid their manes once in a while to keep them happy) and the operation is so big you can just CULL the newborns that are just a little TOO inbred without much of a loss. Can't let those defective ones pass along those bad genes now can they?

UGH!!!!! :furious:

My Opinion

 

[cheko1]

He might have a rough estimate. I'm sure he doesn't know the exact numbers.....or names. Creep.

I just call them yellow belly chicken chits!!!

 

[cheko1]

Well ya know they can't GELD the extra boys, so they have to run 99% of the young stallions outta the herd pretty young, before some 14 year old girl looks at one and decides she might want to have a "plural celestial marriage" with someone not old enough to be her Grandfather (or who isn't her 1st cousin or uncle).

And that's what just infuriates me with all the soft spoken, weak, compliant. "sweet" fresh faced pastel covered mothers getting in front of the TV cameras and fake crying about how "the children" are being ripped from their arms and how they need "the children" (collective "the children", not THEIR child/children or son or daughter) - when they have stood back and ALLOWED their sons to be dumped like a batch of unwanted mongrel puppies on the side of the road FOR YEARS! The coin of the FLDS Realm is GIRLS - "sweet", well "trained" GIRLS - raised up from BIRTH to be the compliant, emotionless, baby bearing, meek and obedient 5th wife of some OLD MAN 25 years her senior. The more wives and children, the bigger the man's planet in heaven - where he will reign for eternity, as a "God" surrounded by all his "Goddess" plural wives...wearing pastel prairie dresses and 3 layers of long underwear probably.

It is very much like a "breeding" operation - you get out your lineage charts and line up the stud service and get yourself a fine batch of fillies (which are coincidentally ALL part of the same "sweet, well behaved blood lines") and start pumping out babies. You start training the girls for "brood mare service" as soon as they hit the ground, trade off the fiery, high strung ones to your buddies in Mexico or Canada and then you pick thru the batch of boys and every 15 years or so, keep one with the right genes to replace the old stallions that can't get the job done anymore in the barn --- and as for the rest, after you work them to the bone for 10 or 12 years you just dump them in the road near the glue factory.

Like puppy mills, it's probably quite profitable. I mean once you already have a BARN FULL, what's a few MORE mouths to feed (and after all, they are so "sweet" and "well trained" - you just need to braid their manes once in a while to keep them happy) and the operation is so big you can just CULL the newborns that are just a little TOO inbred without much of a loss. Can't let those defective ones pass along those bad genes now can they?

UGH!!!!! :furious:

My Opinion

:clap: :clap: :clap: Great post FlowerChild!
I feel the same way!!!!

 

[Truly]

Truly- I think that the $ will indeed be investigated and what becomes the 1st domino in the downfall of this sect. It is not as murky and is easier to confirm -

The child abuse is easier to get upset about, but has less of a paper trail and is harder to prove. I think LE will go for the easiest infraction they can prove, then take their time to build a case against these azz faces

I do see what you are saying, but after all, they do have Warren Jeffs in prison for accomplice to rape of a minor, not a financial crime. Plus, there are almost 50 underage girls who are pregnant or have recently given birth. I am hopeful that some of them will realize that the men who impregnated them broke the law and will assist prosecutors. This case is definitely about the sexual abuse of children for me, so I am hopeful that the criminals will be prosecuted for that. It appears that LE has a considerable amount of evidence.

In my opinion, prosecuting the financial aspect is going to be like prosecuting the Mob. In fact, they are referred to as the Mormon Mafia. They control vast swaths of businesses similiar to what the Italian Mafia control. And they are just as devious, dangerous, destructive and difficult to eradicate. There are enormous sums of money flowing into their pockets. I have seriously considered whether they are breeding children to sell as perfectly terrorized and obedient slaves. I think that is their racket.

 

[Leila]

Despite the fact that criminal charges haven't been filed against him. He's hired a "criminal defense attorney."

Molly.................I'm just on page 16 of this thread, trying to catch up with the posts tonight.

So far I haven't seen any comments about Nancy Grace's program today (I watched the repeat broadcast late this evening). Nancy said that the authorities released a statement today that they have evidence of widespread systemic child abuse at the YFZ ranch in El Dorado.

The fact that Merrill Jessop has hired a criminal defense attorney indicates, as we all can presume, that he knows there's charges coming and he knows what those charges are.

Nancy suggested that some of the children may be talking with authorities. I think that's possible too, considering that a number of girls who were originally classified as adults admitted they lied and that they are in fact minors. These girls may be talking.

I suspect that LE found clear documentation of abuse within the temple. As we've seen by the evidence list, they seized a tremendous amount of material. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jessop and his attorney argue that the documents seized are protected under the Constitution.

 

[Truly]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Great post FlowerChild!
I feel the same way!!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: I agree wholeheartedly. I hope when we get a forum, all of FlowerChild's posts so far can have an entire thread, as she has so eloquently taken what so many here are feeling, and has put it into precisely the right words. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Leila]

Yeah Moll- I can't stop! Thank God the cast is off and my physical torture therapist told me typing will help! Just in time for this case to break wide open- Yipee!

The comment was from a man (maybe Lost Boy) who left the sect and is about Warren's hold over his family and others.

Galvino............sorry to hear about your wrist. But if the therapist says typing will help, that's great!

I followed your directions and read Joseph's comment. I feel sorry for him, having had Warren Jeffs break up his whole family. His fear of Jeffs is very telling.

 

[Leila]

There have been women who have left who did get divorces. Winston Blackmore's former wife Jane was one of them. Edited to add: I don't recall whether they were able to get support etc..

Carolyn Jessop got a divorce from Merrill Jessop, and initially Merrill Jessop got visitation with their 8 children. She eventually won sole legal and physical custody, but I don't think she got child support. Carolyn and her children were dependent on charity for a few years.

 

[Leila]

I hope we get a forum soon

After I read some of these books I've ordered, I'd love to have a thread in order to discuss them.

I hear you on the subject of getting a forum. I can think of about 10 different sub-topics of discussion off the top of my head. As this case develops there's going to be a lot of other aspects to it.

 

[Leila]

Apparently, somebody has sued successfully............

"Jeffs, UEP told to pay up:

The first moves are being made to collect on an $8.8 million judgement against jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs. . . .

The UEP Trust was founded on the early Mormon concept of a "united order," where people would put everything into a common pot and get things back based on wants and needs. The UEP Trust controls most of the land in the polygamous enclaves of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz.

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,5143,660201785,00.html

That phrase I put in bold is almost dead on to communist philosophy. Compare it to what Lenin said, "From each according to their ability, and to each according to their need."

 

[barb0301]

I understand "common law" in Texas, I did it for 7 years before actually marrying legally - and I even got hubby's medical benefits because of it.

This will be something left to the courts and will not be as simple to prove as it seems....BOTH PARTIES in the marriage have to represent themselves publicly AS MARRIED - and I doubt a single FLDS-er will swear that the couple did so in their presence. Plus the spiritual wives go OUTSIDE the FLDS and represent themselves to the STATE (to get WIC and Food Stamps) as UNMARRIED single mothers - no fathers/husbands anywhere. I am not even sure, based on the remoteness of the ranch and it's forced seclusion that the state can even prove the couples co-habitated EVER. I mean these women and children live in HUGE DORMS with communal sleeping rooms for the kids and a big industrial shared kitchen area - not even sure where the husband would call his "room"? Perhaps ONLY with wife #1 (legal wife) and the other women are just "room-mates of theirs? And they get their mail at separate PO boxes within the ranch - so each woman must have a separate LEGAL address on record with the state, sans husband or father.

Common Law marriage usually involves - JOINTLY OWNED PROPERTY - which I can assure you, the FLDS doesn't "do" - heck, they don't own ANYTHING - it's either owned by the husband's business or the YFZ version of the UEP. There is no real PERSONAL PROPERTY - it isn't "done" that way in the FLDS (more control over even the MEN that way). Nothing on the YFZ Ranch is owned by ANYONE living there (at least in the eyes of the state) - and I am betting that each business may be a CORPORATION - owned by members of the UEP - NOT and individual person. Common Law Marriage is supposed to be judged on the INTENT of the two people and is often set by HOW LONG the two have been "together" - again, not something easily proved by the authorities. These folks won't even reveal who's kids are whos - I doubt they are going to be any more honest about something that could get their husband/priest thrown in JAIL.

My Opinion

TX common law marriage has changed over the years,. Current law has nothing to do with property or length of time. Even one incident of displaying themselves as husband and wife would satisfy the requirement of "holding themselves out to be married". I posted the info on the 3 requirements several times on the threads. I'll find the statutes tomorrow and post them in the link forum for everyone to see.

 

[Seven]

That phrase I put in bold is almost dead on to communist philosophy. Compare it to what Lenin said, "From each according to their ability, and to each according to their need."

Exactly!

And the reason those communist societies go bankrupt is that the people in charge of "taking from" and "giving to" always end up with a lot of it sticking to their own fingers during the transfer, funneling it into their own private, untraceable offshore accounts, etc.

Good ol' greed! :furious: