Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police

[txsvicki]

Have they moved these kids to Fort Concho in San Angelo? My son lives there and I used to. Does anyone know close the compound is to town? I can't remember where Eldorado is located.

 

[sherri79]

Um, no. If you want to pick a fight - go elsewhere.

no hun i do not want a fight. i really believed you must have misunderstood because you both seem to believe the same thing. i am sorry i was so wrong about how you felt.

 

[SuziQ]

Hopefully the mods will come in and remove the entire embarrasing episode and you won't have to relive it.

 

[Fairy1]

I believe it all! I listened today to all the talking media covering the story & its very scary! If they think someone is going to talk they go after them. You be safe & protect your kids. Thats whats important.....

I agree Cheko1!!! It is scary and those who are left are in danger. The USA is obligated to protect their own, and these kids and their mothers are no exception. Abuse is abuse, whatever the guise under which it is inflicted.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Guys Let me just say this. alot of us are going to ahve strong feelings in this area. Lets remembe rthat this is abotu the kids/woman, and that we are here to discuss this. Please don't let our personal feelings get in this as hard as it might be. I would hate for the mods to lock this topic because it is getting out of hand

 

[cheko1]

Hopefully the mods will come in and remove the entire embarrasing episode and you won't have to relive it.

I agreee with you SuzieQ!
She can put anyone on ignore!!!

 

[Fairy1]

Omg, I'm going to bed. Fairy, I don't know what you've been sipping. But maybe you need to go to bed too. I feel sorry for you. You are going to read these posts tomorrow and be highly embarrased.

I'm not sipping anything and no need to feel sorry for me. I feel very strongly about this subject and stand by my posts. Good night SuziQ.

 

[cheko1]

Guys Let me just say this. alot of us are going to ahve strong feelings in this area. Lets remembe rthat this is abotu the kids/woman, and that we are here to discuss this. Please don't let our personal feelings get in this as hard as it might be. I would hate for the mods to lock this topic because it is getting out of hand

I agree with you.....Everyone has STRONG feelings & OPINIONS & we all have to RESPECT everyone elses .

 

[LionRun]

Gosh, I don't even know where Eldorado is from here--except that I know it is west of us. I live in the Austin area, and on our local news it was stated that some of the children are coming to Austin. My heart goes out to each of the victims, including the mom's. Many of them are children themselves who were likely brainwashed and abused in terrible ways for years.

Ladybass, I hope you stay. Please know that many of us care about what you went through and would love to hear what you have to say. Kudos to you for breaking free, and I understand why you may need to be careful about what you say.

Lion

 

[barb0301]

Have they moved these kids to Fort Concho in San Angelo? My son lives there and I used to. Does anyone know close the compound is to town? I can't remember where Eldorado is located.

Yes they have. I think, from the map I looked at, the compound is about 3 miles northeast of Eldorado, and Eldorado is about 45 miles south of San Angelo.

 

[cheko1]

When they pictured everyone getting into the buses I never seen any boys in there teens. I wonder how if the young girls were given to the older men what happened to the young guys?????

 

[Leila]

I didn't realize they had been around that long.

Actually, polygamy was a part of the LDS - Mormon church since it's founding by Joseph Smith in upstate NY in the 1820's. The Mormons were forced to leave NY, and moved to Nauvoo, Illinois, where Joseph Smith was killed. Brigham Young became the president of the LDS church and moved the group westward to the Utah territory. It was in 1890 that the LSD church agreed to abolish polygamy to become a state. The FLDS refused to give up polygamy, broke with the mainstream LDS, and continued the practice to the present. As I said, their numbers are few.

 

[barb0301]

When they pictured everyone getting into the buses I never seen any boys in there teens. I wonder how if the young girls were given to the older men what happened to the young guys?????

SuziQ finally found a pic of some young, teenage looking boys at the Ft Honcho location

Thank goodness! At the below link is a pic of teenage boys.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348148,00.html

She also found a LOT of information about what's known as the LOST BOYS. She posted a link to some info, very interesting. I'll go back and see if I can find it.

ETA - found SuziQ's post on Lost Boys - lots of great info here, suggest you read it.

The Lost Boys of Utah:

http://www.childbrides.org/boys.html

They are just young men (mostly young teenagers) who have become competition to the older men who want more (and usually much younger) wives. They are kicked out of their homes and run out of town. They often leave with just the shirts on their backs. Most have minimum education and few life-skills. But, the Prophet said that they must go away. So their parents cast them out like unwanted pets. Now, they are out on the street trying to fend for themselves. They are known as the "Lost Boys".

Read the tragic stories of their attempting to survive and to integrate into mainstream society. These articles are in chronological order. (more at link)

 

[Fairy1]

When they pictured everyone getting into the buses I never seen any boys in there teens. I wonder how if the young girls were given to the older men what happened to the young guys?????

Have you read this entire thread? Look up the "lost boys." They have been banished from the sect - for the most part.

 

[Leila]

Have they moved these kids to Fort Concho in San Angelo? My son lives there and I used to. Does anyone know close the compound is to town? I can't remember where Eldorado is located.

On Larry King tonight they interviewed the CPS workers and they were asked how far the compound is from Fort Concho where the woman and children are being housed. The CPS workers said it was about 45 miles.

 

[cheko1]

SuziQ finally found a pic of some young, teenage looking boys at the Ft Honcho location



She also found a LOT of information about what's known as the LOST BOYS. She posted a link to some info, very interesting. I'll go back and see if I can find it.

ETA - found SuziQ's post on Lost Boys - lots of great info here, suggest you read it.

Thank you Barb....I had bookmarked it but hadn't read it yet.

 

[cheko1]

Have you read this entire thread? Look up the "lost boys." They have been banished from the sect - for the most part.

I won't post unless I read the entire thread. But I never read all of the articles. I bookmarked them to read later.

Goodnight everyone I am off to bed.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I will be back to. I am heading to bed and will check posts tomorow aft 2pm EST and see if I can offer anything else. Night everyone

 

[Leila]

Gosh, I don't even know where Eldorado is from here--except that I know it is west of us. I live in the Austin area, and on our local news it was stated that some of the children are coming to Austin. My heart goes out to each of the victims, including the mom's. Many of them are children themselves who were likely brainwashed and abused in terrible ways for years.

Ladybass, I hope you stay. Please know that many of us care about what you went through and would love to hear what you have to say. Kudos to you for breaking free, and I understand why you may need to be careful about what you say.

Lion

Lion...........tonight on Larry King, one of the reporters said that he used the word "women" loosely because many of the adult women are only 18 or perhaps a few years older. In other words, the adult women in this case are actually young adults. It would appear that the children in this case are any that are 17 or younger, and if any are 18, they're part of the "adult women" who've been removed.

 

[Glow]

still me in bold type.

Hi sherri,

I had to go out tonight but my mind kept going back to our conversation of today.

sticking with our past format..

my understanding is that legally you can be taken into custody if you are suspected of a crime and held for a short period until charged. what is a short period of time i think varies from state to state. once in custody the clock begins to tic. if they do not have the evidence to charge you when the time limit is reached they must release you. in the case of men who have not abused a child there would be no evidence of a crime and they will have to be released.


so for the innocent men the clock has been ticking for what? 4 or 5 days now? I was under the impression that if you are "held" LE has 24 hours to charge you. I guess a judge could lengthen that time though. I would hate to be a judge here.

we have charges of child abuse and child sexual abuse. the children must be taken into protective custody until the charges can be investigated. it can be tricky to balance the rights of the parents against the duty of the state to protect a child.


It is complicated when the abuse is on children of a specific age group and nature ie; young teens of childbearing age. To remove a breastfeeding infant with NO indication that a breastfeeding infant has ever been abused is cruel and yet that is what CPS was prepared to do. In fact, if a breastfeeding mother had for whatever reason not felt she could come along? That is what would have happened to that infant.

in this case for the guilty mothers i feel no pity. for mothers that are not guilty of a crime i am sure this is hard


Hard? To understand hard I asked myself the following question....
Have you ever been stuck somewhere without family and without resources while you wonder where your husband and other children are with no cell phone or money and lots of people buzzing around you while taking care of a 6 month old? It would be beyond hard. I would feel tramautized and persecuted. That would be the stuff of nightmares.

but it would be so much worse to not have the choice.

That is fine for the mothers who have participated in the criminal aspects of this situation. The mothers who are guilty of nothing have had zero choices here. This situation is creating victims while it try's to help victims.

normally a mother would have no choice once a claim of abuse has been made and a emergency order issued. because this case is so complicated with the chance of innocent mothers getting lumped in with the guilty they have offered a rare chance. if you are any kind of mother at all the choice was made with out a thought. stay with your child. every wrongly accused mother in this country would have killed for what these women got. a chance to stay with your child while you prove you are innocent.


this is true. I have read several horror stories about women coming home from work while CPS agents were removing their children and they had no recourse except the legal system which grinds slowly, only to find out later that it was an irate neighbor who called them in and they were in fact guilty of nothing at all. Incredible in a democracy.

if i tell you to perform a sex act on me or i will kill you it is rape. if i tell you to perform a sex act on me or i will hurt your child it is rape. it does not matter if i have the power to harm you or your child. it only matters that i used the threat and you believed it. if i tell you to perform a sex act on me or i will take away your family and you will burn in hell for all eternity it is rape. i do understand that at one time we did not have the same moral taboo about sex with teenage girls. at one time we thought you could own another person. at one time we thought women to fragile to vote. as a society we have evolved to understand these things are wrong. the fact that in the past we have been morally bankrupt or simply did not know better in no way excuses the behavior today.



I dont think that founders of this country were morally bankrupt. I think that dubious distinction belongs to us today although we wont want to claim it of course.

when a man uses the threat of hell to bed his bride after she had no choice in him as a husband i find him to be a sexual predator. to the best of my knowledge my grandfather did not run around raping every girl he saw. he only harmed the girls in his own family. i would call him a predator because he used his power as the head of the house to extort sexual favors from those to weak to defend themselves.


agree with you on the definition of the grandfather. As for a groom using the threat of hell to bed his bride I say he needs to brush up on his bedside manner (hope that made you laugh ~ Im kidding!)

Maybe you were referring to another holy writing. about slavery yes i was talking about the fact slaves are mentioned in the bible but god never said go force humans into slavery.


actually God did decree that people would be forced into slavery. Various people in various situations all depending on how it would work out in his promise to make Abraham a mighty nation.


multiple wives are mentioned but god never said it takes 6 wives to reach heaven. as for the beating of your wife part you are correct. i pulled that from my memory. i thought i had read it in a reference book on the old testament. it was a book on old English law.


Thats where I had read that. I knew that I had heard that before. Thanks.

. i thought the catholic church molestation cases did receive a good amount of press.


Yes they did. But not a no fly over zone, storming of holy grounds OR an emptying of Catholic orphanages run by priests.

yes our society has many flaws. we often disagree with others about what we should fix but most of us think some part of it should be changed. i will use racism to illustrate my point. ask a black man raised in 1800 if the world is better in 1950 he will say yes. ask a black man raised in the 1950's if the world is better in 2008 and he will say yes. ask a black man today if we live in the perfect racism free world and he will say no. we have improved in how we protect children over time. we still have a long way to go. the child abuse protections in this cult are still set in 1800. we are yet to be perfect but we are better than that.

Ask a black man born in Africa if life in 1420 was better than when Portugal started to trade slaves with West Africa in 1440. He would say yes. Life as we know it goes in huge loops. Very infrequently we as humanity break out of those loops and make some kind of forward progress. Wether we are slowly evolving to a higher place is a matter of opinion . We are facing child abuse in epidemic proportions. I am still cautious about asserting ourselves as having all the answers for these women and children when the truth is we dont. Just read the threads here.
I want these women and children to have a chance at a fulfilling life. I jsut dont think that is the job of the government. I think it is the job of the people who elect the government.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts in such an insightful way sherri.

respectfully,

glow