Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police

[curious1]

:laugh:

hey don't blame me. i have asked repeatedly for a special font for sarcasm. sorry i misunderstood you.

hee...that would be handy

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it is prudent to realize that we cannot believe everything we read from reporters anyway. Some get the stories right and others get the stories half right...while some reporters don't check their facts at all and get the stories totally wrong. LOL

In the case over AP vs. local reporters...I would go with a local reporter every time. They have the inside track with personal connections to the area, the people, and LE. (This is where the AP gets their reports to begin with.)

 

[Glow]

Your story is dated April 7 and is from a local TV reporter. The one I cited is dated TODAY and is from AP and quotes the source. I believe mine over yours!

Well thats fine. :blowkiss:

I did notice mine was from April 7th and that might have been true on that date. This is a very "fluid" situation and what might have been an actuality on one day might be "adjusted" on another.

I always pay close attention to what the local reporters near the scene are saying as they have access that can only come to being somewhere "first hand".

My stepfather worked with the AP. They give the cleaned up, edited and more factual information generally.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You're right, they do need probably cause, but I think they've had probable cause in the past and haven't done anything because of the cost and the resources necessary. I just think if they got lots of email from citizens throughout the US they might be more inclined to do something, or at least look more closely at it.

Oh, trust me...they are looking at it VERY closely at the moment.

 

[SuziQ]

You're right, they do need probably cause, but I think they've had probable cause in the past and haven't done anything because of the cost and the resources necessary. I just think if they got lots of email from citizens throughout the US they might be more inclined to do something, or at least look more closely at it.

What Texas did sure needed to happen. But it makes me wonder if they would have done it the way they did it if they knew how many kids were involved. They certainly are the pioneer in this, gutsy as well. I hope this convinces other states that it can be done and should be done.

 

[jubie]

I'm having trouble linking and I suppose I don't agree with one of the pics but the UK Daily News has pics of the FBI going into the temple as well the women and kids crying

 

[jubie]

SORRY I mean UK Daily Mail

 

[SuziQ]

I thought the below Utah AG release from May 2006 might be of interest to those concerned about the lost boys.

http://www.attorneygeneral.utah.gov/PrRel/prmay22006.htm


THE "LOST BOYS" LAW
GOVERNOR SIGNS EMANCIPATION BILL TO HELP HOMELESS TEENS The Lost Boys have finally found a law to protect them. Governor Jon Huntsman, Jr. highlighted the Emancipation of a Minor Act today when he ceremonially signed House Bill 30, which allows youth who are at least 16 years old to gain legal standing to get housing, education and other services. The new law is aimed specifically for homeless youth, including the "Lost Boys," a group of teenage boys and girls who have been forced or encouraged to leave some polygamous communities.
"The plight of the Lost Boys has prompted all of us to reconsider the heartbreaking problems facing all homeless teens," says Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, who worked with legislators to help pass the bill. "The Emancipation law gives these kids a much needed break." (more at link)

 

[SuziQ]

I'm having trouble linking and I suppose I don't agree with one of the pics but the UK Daily News has pics of the FBI going into the temple as well the women and kids crying

Here you go. Good pics at that link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=558414&in_page_id=1811

 

[Glow]

I've heard rumors and haven't found anything to back this up. That some sects have started trading young women to combat some of these issues. Trading people, unbelievable isn't it?

Probably only unbelievable to us. Probably seems like a practical solution if you live in a closed society. I know that here in America the Arabs hold conventions at various places across the United States. These are for cultural and networking purposes AND they take their sons and daughters that are at, or soon will be at, a "marital" age with them to the conventions. That way everybody gets to look around and see whats on the "market"

 

[jubie]

Thanks SuzieQ,

I love the look on the one little girl's face, the only one who looks right at the camera. I think " You go girl, you look around" I like that because you know she was told to look down and away from the cameras but she did it anyway!! One little tiny thing but I like it.


How do they keep that temple so white all over?

J.

 

[golfmom]

SORRY I mean UK Daily Mail

Jubie ... here's the caption for the women and children crying:

Relieved: A group of women church members tearfully embrace after being reunited at Fort Concho, Texas

 

[curious1]

Glad they are doing something instead of just letting this go. It's really hard to compare this to CPS going into one home suspecting abuse for 2 main reasons 1) this is a whole 'community' with a large number of underage pregnant girls, which means....2) no doubt about the abuse. So any comparisons with the rights of a parent in a one/one situation just do not apply this is a completely different situation and I am glad they did not sit on their asses and play it safe for fear of stepping on someones toes and did the right thing.

 

[cheko1]

We're going to stop the personal attacks right now. If you've got an issue with someone's post direct your comments to the issues, not your opinion of the poster.

I've deleted the offending posts I found in a quick review that did not belong at all. Now everyone gets a chance to go back and self-edit their posts to remove any and all personal attacks. As always, we don't care who started it. Just fix it.

Thank you very much Adnoid!!!!:blowkiss:

 

[Truly]

Thanks SuzieQ,

I love the look on the one little girl's face, the only on who looks right at the camera. I think " You go girl, you look around" I like that because you know she was told to look down and away from the cameras but she did it anyway!! One little tiny thing but I like it.


How do they keep that temple so white all over?

J.

How does the daily mail get the temple so white? The same way they get the grass so green, etc ...Photoshop.

I did not see a little girl looking straight at the camera...was it in the same article? Thanks.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Extensive article:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-12-29/news/forbidden-fruit/full

.......
In this isolated religious society north of the Grand Canyon, few secrets have been more closely guarded than the presence of fumarase deficiency. Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints elders, who control the community, have labored to keep the public from finding out why the disorder is manifesting. Many members of the fundamentalist community don't even know it's occurring.
.......

Very interesting! Thanks for posting this!

From Your Link:


"The fundamentalist community has also benefited immensely from state health-care services for the poor and indigent by receiving more than $12 million a year in state assistance in Arizona to pay for health-insurance premiums. It turns out that taxpayers also have been footing the bill for the fumarase deficiency children born to polygamists who insist that plural marriage involving close relatives is their divine right."

 

[cheko1]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...page_id=181 1

Out of this link Suzi posted above: under one of the pictures
it states:
Dark secret: Girls as young as ten were married off to middle-aged men

My my GOODNESS!!!!! 10 years of AGE!!!!
Keep the kids away.....

 

[Pepper]

Thanks for finding that! I skimmed over it and will go back and read in depth. That goes to what you and I were discussing the other day. I wish I could find an article regarding the Kingston Clan. IIRC, one of their many genetic issues predisposes pregnant women to preclampsia (sp). Couple that with the young age of the mother and lack of medical care, it's had disasterous results. Causing the death of many women in the Kingston Clan.

Another good article about genetics and polygamy.

http://human-nature.com/science-as-culture/walker.html

The discoveries and research within my own kindred so alarmed me that I studied other descendants of polygamy to see if their families also suffered from crippling illnesses. I am convinced they do. As bad as this past is, the mounting evidence is far worse. In 1991, I first became aware of the Latter Day Church of Christ (a.k.a. Kingston’s and The Davis County Cooperative Society), a Mormon polygamist offshoot and determined to interview within this virtually impenetrable closed polygamist group. One 1980’s leader, John Ortell Kingston, married thirteen wives and sired over sixty-five children, many of them deformed. His wives included five nieces. One disillusioned former member claims “babies are born as blobs of protoplasm”, and “brothers marry sisters in an effort to build up a royal priesthood.” [11] I endeavored to publish this information. Editors suggested it was unbelievable. If only that were true.

Then in 1998, a 16 year-old girl limped seven miles to a pay phone and called police. Bruised, welts covering her body, and a broken nose, at first she was reluctant to speak with authorities. She told investigators her father took her to a remote area and belt whipped her for running away from a forced marriage to her uncle, her father’s brother, as his 15th wife. Removed from school like so many polygamy children, she told social workers she wanted to finish high school. [12]

Finally exposed in the news, the facts of life inside this religious/cult compound are stunning Mormons, Utahns, the nation, and the world. Half and full siblings are ‘marrying’ in religious ceremonies. Escaped members report some patriarchs believe it is their duty to give a daughter her first marriage lessons. This is the equivalent of a religious rationalization for the practice of incest. [13] Buried quietly on family farms, without notice of birth or death, child death often remains undocumented in polygamy clans. Utah officials fall all over themselves in an effort to explain why they have done nothing before and what they now propose to do.[14] Unfortunately, the answer is clear as they embarrass themselves inventing new ways to say they will continue to do nothing and wait for the media to change the focus.

 

[Leila]

Thats a good indication of what a confusing mess this will be for authorities. They have a rough road ahead of them.

I realized after I started reading about the events at the compound in El Dorado, that the names rang a bell with me. They're the same surnames I read about when Warren Jeffs was arrested in the summer of 2006 and when he went to trial last September. After years of inter-marriage between the same families there's going to be many people with the same surname, and sorting them all out is going to be a nightmare. Lets hope the FLDS kept records of births, deaths, marriages.

 

[Truly]

I join Linda in thanking golfmom and so many others for providing so many informative links in this thread.

There is a certain wry irony in the realization that, in their twisted attempt to create their own 'master race' bloodline, they might instead be inbreeding themselves to extinction.