Was Burke involved?

[bettybaby00]

otg,
You may well be 100% correct, since BR did admit saying he knew JonBenet had a head injury. I think he suggested she was whacked on the head with a hammer?




.

Not exactly. In fact the truth is actually much more frightening.

Kolar covers this in detail. The session with the psychiatrist is video taped, and after finding an older type of video player, Kolar is able to watch it in its entirety.

During the 1/8/97 interview with Dr. Bernhardt. Arranged by the insistence of the Rs in lieu of an interview conducted by police. Police are not invited or present for the interview, and all of this is another concession granted the Rs. Also, the Dr. suggests, based on the interview, follow up visits. BR of course does not return. Kolar describes this portion of the session....

A chill ran down the back of my neck as I watched Burke twice physically imitate the act of striking a blow with his right arm during his casual discussion of this matter. I stopped and replayed that section of the video several times. It seemed absolutely incredible, but Burke was replicating exactly the type of an over-the-arm blow that would have been responsible for the head injury sustained by JonBenét.

It is difficult to describe what I was experiencing. I flashed to the scene of a photograph that I had seen depicting John Ramsey standing next to JonBenét and Burke on a sandy beach. The three of them were standing next to one another, nearly arm-in-arm, and they appeared to be enjoying a summer vacation. Burke stood head and shoulder above his little sister, and it was the difference in their height that struck me at that moment. JonBenét seemed so petite standing next to her brother, and the mechanics of the delivery of a lethal blow to her head appeared to be within the realm of possibilities. I leaned back in my chair and contemplated the scenes I had just witnessed on the DSS video. There were red flags popping up all over the place.

[...]


Taking all of those things into consideration, I wondered if perhaps this was merely another strange coincidence that would continue to muddy the waters of the investigation. On the other hand, I couldn’t help but contemplate the possibility that Burke had just physically demonstrated first-hand knowledge of the lethal blow that had been struck to the head of JonBenét
(4565-66 & 4626)

 

[SapphireSteel]

Who knows why Burke imitated that blow?

Would any 9 year old do an overhand action if asked how someone was hit on the top of the head?

I would imagine so.

He's not going to feign an uppercut now is he?

If you hit someone over the head, to a child, it's Looney Tunes time. Bash with a club, straight on top of the head. How many times did Road Runner do it to Wylie Coyote?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Apologies to all but this BDI really gets my goat.

How do you think it happened? No matter which way I play it in my head I get the same answer.

Burke could never have got JB into that basement. NEVER.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Of course I wouldn't. But that's me.That's most people. But it may have not been THESE people. I also wouldn't look the other way if I suspected one child was molesting the other. This was a dysfunctional house, IMO. Patsy was under her mother's thumb and Patsy kept her kids under her own thumb. I don't believe the parents "murdered one child to protect another". It isn't that black and white. It is many shades of gray. To them, JB may have already been dead. Or irreversibly injured (this was true, experts agree she'd have died of the head bash alone if the ligature hadn't been involved).

Uh sorry, all loving parents ARE the same.

White, black, yellow, purple, blue, even animals try to revive their dead cubs. Elephants cry and mourn.

This pair go "oh lets finish her off"....you really believe that? Really? They insult her body by fiddling with it, tying it up, bashing the skull?

Really?

Apart from being totally unnatural, staging your dying child is actually AGAINST THE LAW.

These two wish us to believe they are law abiding citizens. Even I know to call 911 if someone (anyone) carks it in front of me.

PR's note also implies that she was relaxed and had all the time in the world. Hardly the reaction of a grieving, horrified, bereaved parent.

 

[bettybaby00]

Who knows why Burke imitated that blow?

Would any 9 year old do an overhand action if asked how someone was hit on the top of the head?

I would imagine so.

He's not going to feign an uppercut now is he?

If you hit someone over the head, to a child, it's Looney Tunes time. Bash with a club, straight on top of the head. How many times did Road Runner do it to Wylie Coyote?

Reasonable, yet he's not asked "how someone was hit on the top of the head." He's asked to describe if he "knows what happened to his sister."

The 1st 2 articles written on the 27th & 28th by the The Daily Camera Newspaper make no mention of the skull fracture. The 1st mention of her fractured skull was reported on 1/6 by The Daily Camera. His session with the psychiatrist is on 1/8. But it's important to note that the Rs maintained that they did not discuss the details with Burke and for months actively shielded him from all media reports. During the first weeks I imagine this wasn't hard to do.

It's not until JULY 1997 that the full details of the depressed skull fracture were released by the medical examiner. Prior to the release by the ME, Nightline did a segment that repeated a statement reportedly made by J. Douglas which graphically described JRBs injuries, which included the line, "suffered severe head injuries."

That broadcast however, was on January 28th.

So Kolar wonders...

was this merely another strange coincidence that would continue to muddy the waters of the investigation. On the other hand, I couldn’t help but contemplate the possibility that Burke had just physically demonstrated first-hand knowledge of the lethal blow that had been struck to the head of JonBenet.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Reasonable, yet he's not asked "how someone was hit on the top of the head." He's asked to describe if he "knows what happened to his sister."

The 1st 2 articles written on the 27th & 28th by the The Daily Camera Newspaper make no mention of the skull fracture. The 1st mention of her fractured skull was reported on 1/6 by The Daily Camera. His session with the psychiatrist is on 1/8. But it's important to note that the Rs maintained that they did not discuss the details with Burke and for months actively shielded him from all media reports. During the first weeks I imagine this wasn't hard to do.

It's not until JULY 1997 that the full details of the depressed skull fracture were released by the medical examiner. Prior to the release by the ME, Nightline did a segment that repeated a statement reportedly made by J. Douglas which graphically described JRBs injuries, which included the line, "suffered severe head injuries."

That broadcast however, was on January 28th.

So Kolar wonders...

Of course he knew what happened!

We all do!

All he need do is overhear someone talking about it, or read the paper.

It's proof of NOTHING.

 

[bettybaby00]

Of course he knew what happened!

We all do!

All he need do is overhear someone talking about it, or read the paper.

It's proof of NOTHING.

Ok then you've convinced me!

I do have one last question for you though. Several of your earlier comments center on your belief that there is no way any parent, whether black, white, poor, rich, yellow or blue, who happen upon a scene where one of their children grievously injures, or kills another of their kids, would have ever covered for that child, either through staging, or as some believe, actually "finishing her off."

If you believe this to be true, then how do you so readily accept the heinous actions you outlined when you stated what you believe happened?

If a father is capable of chronic sexual molestation of his young daughter--and I assume the "present" would have been a fully realized act of intercourse--and his wife even helps with that molestation by way of punishing her daughter for failure to comply, with the implication that after the punishment she will comply, how then could they not be capable of what proponents of BDI believe?

Either scenario illustrates a complete failure to act as a good, responsible, loving parent at its most basic level. How is one set of circumstances worse than the other? Or more believable?

 

[questfortrue]

I feel the same and I am not totally married to a theory either, but I think it was either, as I said earlier, Burke for the head blow, and then Patsy covered it up, or it was Patsy delivering the head blow in a fit of rage. Either way I think Patsy did the staging and John was likely clueless when he woke up to the nightmare. He probably started catch on pretty quick when he saw the note and recognized not only Patsy's writing, but her over the top, overdramatic style.

I also think the PDI theory explains two other questions about the 26th. One being why she called half of Boulder to come over, because it prevented John from confronting her, and also why they behaved the way they did to one another. She was unable to face him, and he was furious.

If JR were clueless, then I tend to wonder - along with some of the detectives - if he were there. (Melatonin is not proporfol) Another topic.

Your sense of BDI and PDI carry a lot of weight with me and I also am not married to a theory. But in the past year I’ve read the total PDI theory of ST, the DocG theory of JDI, and Kolar (and OTG’s) BDI. At this stage, and probably forever in regards to this case, I don’t have any deep insight into it, except believing the Rs are responsible; others here know far more than I. But the one thing difficult for me to digest is Kolar’s emphasis on how the adult R’s suffered, as opposed to BR who exhibited a flat affect and nonchalance. (Yes, he mentions JR’s odd behavior and some of his inconsistencies, but it does not lead to any conclusion beyond the implausibility of IDI). In Kolar’s book it seemed as though the Rs were depicted as kind of noble in a way – just rescuing their family and son. Perhaps I misread him, but, imo, he is bolstering his theory by giving the adults a kind of “moral” pass in their involvement. Who wouldn’t rescue a child and one’s family? No, we can’t judge here.

Yet, it is the “after shocks” which make me want to just throw up. A precious little girl who had been sexually assaulted by someone she trusted, struck in the head, and either strangled on purpose or self-strangled accidentally. A little girl who will NEVER receive justice, because no one in the family will tell what they know. Never speak the truth.

In the context of that, there were actions perpetrated which, again moo, are very low on the ethics ladder: Great, the citizens of Boulder spent more than $2 million investigating this. Careers and reputations of many good people were ruined. Santa Bill died 6 years after the event (a heart attack) suffering deeply from the investigation launched against him. FW pulled away to keep some semblance of sanity surrounding his family after having the RST after him. It cost Doc Miller his retirement funds to defend himself in court against the specious allegations against him. Let’s not forget to throw in the questionable decisions of the DA office which have besmirched the City of Boulder reputation, the impression we now have of money and connections on thwarting an investigation, and the constant drone from the R’s about being a victim of the BPD.

And the lawsuits. . .if BDI, look at how much money was made on suing anyone who mentioned a BDI in public (of course, proceeds shared with LW who took to bragging about the money he made on the case.)

While merely an RDI here, no longer believing in justice in this case, and willing to let the universe sort it out, like everyone here I simply hoped to honor a little girl’s death with some truth. Maybe we’re just ringin’ some bells right now, as in L. Cohen’s lyrics -
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in.

MHO

 

[UKGuy]

Not exactly. In fact the truth is actually much more frightening.

Kolar covers this in detail. The session with the psychiatrist is video taped, and after finding an older type of video player, Kolar is able to watch it in its entirety.

During the 1/8/97 interview with Dr. Bernhardt. Arranged by the insistence of the Rs in lieu of an interview conducted by police. Police are not invited or present for the interview, and all of this is another concession granted the Rs. Also, the Dr. suggests, based on the interview, follow up visits. BR of course does not return. Kolar describes this portion of the session....

bettybaby00,
Well I guess I should check the timeline, but if JR has relocated BR out of the house, so he never views JonBenet's body, and her head injury is hidden from view until Coroner Meyer peels her scalp back, and I presume BR never read the autopsy report, how come BR knews a head injury is present?



Also I reckon Kolar knows whatever the GJ knew about BR's prior behaviour, someone must have reported him, you have to wonder if there were ever any allegations made regarding someone other than JonBenet?

Hello the Christmas party, Susan Stine answering the door and Fleet White claiming some kind of misdialling. Bear in mind BR ends up at FW's house too.

I have the impression that the R's along with some of their friends have something they wish to be kept private?

Also postmortem some of Patsy's friends stated they had intended to discuss the mega-jonbenet thing with her, soo what, how does this relate to her death?

.

 

[Mama2JML]

Uh sorry, all loving parents ARE the same.

White, black, yellow, purple, blue, even animals try to revive their dead cubs. Elephants cry and mourn.

This pair go "oh lets finish her off"....you really believe that? Really? They insult her body by fiddling with it, tying it up, bashing the skull?

Really?

RS&BBM

Valid question, Sapphire Steel. Instinct would inhibit a parent's ability to apply this "logic". Aside from the anti-instinctual, deplorable acts required, this would mandate both parents immediate recognition and acceptance of the finality of their daughter's death.

 

[UKGuy]

If JR were clueless, then I tend to wonder - along with some of the detectives - if he were there. (Melatonin is not proporfol) Another topic.

Your sense of BDI and PDI carry a lot of weight with me and I also am not married to a theory. But in the past year I’ve read the total PDI theory of ST, the DocG theory of JDI, and Kolar (and OTG’s) BDI. At this stage, and probably forever in regards to this case, I don’t have any deep insight into it, except believing the Rs are responsible; others here know far more than I. But the one thing difficult for me to digest is Kolar’s emphasis on how the adult R’s suffered, as opposed to BR who exhibited a flat affect and nonchalance. (Yes, he mentions JR’s odd behavior and some of his inconsistencies, but it does not lead to any conclusion beyond the implausibility of IDI). In Kolar’s book it seemed as though the Rs were depicted as kind of noble in a way – just rescuing their family and son. Perhaps I misread him, but, imo, he is bolstering his theory by giving the adults a kind of “moral” pass in their involvement. Who wouldn’t rescue a child and one’s family? No, we can’t judge here.

Yet, it is the “after shocks” which make me want to just throw up. A precious little girl who had been sexually assaulted by someone she trusted, struck in the head, and either strangled on purpose or self-strangled accidentally. A little girl who will NEVER receive justice, because no one in the family will tell what they know. Never speak the truth.

In the context of that, there were actions perpetrated which, again moo, are very low on the ethics ladder: Great, the citizens of Boulder spent more than $2 million investigating this. Careers and reputations of many good people were ruined. Santa Bill died 6 years after the event (a heart attack) suffering deeply from the investigation launched against him. FW pulled away to keep some semblance of sanity surrounding his family after having the RST after him. It cost Doc Miller his retirement funds to defend himself in court against the specious allegations against him. Let’s not forget to throw in the questionable decisions of the DA office which have besmirched the City of Boulder reputation, the impression we now have of money and connections on thwarting an investigation, and the constant drone from the R’s about being a victim of the BPD.

And the lawsuits. . .if BDI, look at how much money was made on suing anyone who mentioned a BDI in public (of course, proceeds shared with LW who took to bragging about the money he made on the case.)

While merely an RDI here, no longer believing in justice in this case, and willing to let the universe sort it out, like everyone here I simply hoped to honor a little girl’s death with some truth. Maybe we’re just ringin’ some bells right now, as in L. Cohen’s lyrics -
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in.

MHO

questfortrue,
I guess Kolar was attempting to contrast BR's behaviour with that of his parents. For me BR's postmortem behaviour exhibits sociopathic features, else its a quiet confidence based on how it all turned out?

You never know it could be a staged PDI based on PR's desire to write BR out of the script, with JR reorganizing elements at the end since he can see how incriminating certain aspects might be?

From memory Kolar said BR was in the basement Christmas Day opening what became the partially opened gifts. If the size-12's had already been gift-wrapped, then BR would know that there was underwear in the basement.

Would it be tasteless for Leonard Cohen to write a song about JonBenet? So Long, Marianne and Bird on a Wire are favorites of mine. His life story has it all, including allegations that his agent rendered him peniless with years of financial impropriety?

.

 

[UKGuy]

So within this BDI scenario, what staging would he have been capable of doing? given the time constraints.
Hiding some evidence?
Placing her in the WC?

added: I guess my confusion lays in Kolar's mention of the urine stain on the carpet, if considered contemporaneous with the crime, then it does not necessarily mark the position of post mortem bladder release but mat be solely indicative of the location of the strangulation.

Tadpole12,
He could cleanup, redress JonBenet and relocate her body to another room.

Another scenario is that BR and JonBenet were fighting down in the breakfast bar and BR whacks JonBenet on the head with the Flashlight. Hence the reason why it was wiped inside and out later on?

BR shouts on PR who eventually proceeds to stage some kind of sexual intruder thing either down in the basement or upstairs in JonBenet's bedroom, i.e. PR uses the broken paintbrush handle along with a digit to accomplish this. JonBenet's prior internal injuries result from playing doctor and are independent of her death.

.

 

[bettybaby00]

If JR were clueless, then I tend to wonder - along with some of the detectives - if he were there. (Melatonin is not proporfol) Another topic.

Your sense of BDI and PDI carry a lot of weight with me and I also am not married to a theory. But in the past year I’ve read the total PDI theory of ST, the DocG theory of JDI, and Kolar (and OTG’s) BDI. At this stage, and probably forever in regards to this case, I don’t have any deep insight into it, except believing the Rs are responsible; others here know far more than I. But the one thing difficult for me to digest is Kolar’s emphasis on how the adult R’s suffered, as opposed to BR who exhibited a flat affect and nonchalance. (Yes, he mentions JR’s odd behavior and some of his inconsistencies, but it does not lead to any conclusion beyond the implausibility of IDI). In Kolar’s book it seemed as though the Rs were depicted as kind of noble in a way – just rescuing their family and son. Perhaps I misread him, but, imo, he is bolstering his theory by giving the adults a kind of “moral” pass in their involvement. Who wouldn’t rescue a child and one’s family? No, we can’t judge here.

Yet, it is the “after shocks” which make me want to just throw up. A precious little girl who had been sexually assaulted by someone she trusted, struck in the head, and either strangled on purpose or self-strangled accidentally. A little girl who will NEVER receive justice, because no one in the family will tell what they know. Never speak the truth.

In the context of that, there were actions perpetrated which, again moo, are very low on the ethics ladder: Great, the citizens of Boulder spent more than $2 million investigating this. Careers and reputations of many good people were ruined. Santa Bill died 6 years after the event (a heart attack) suffering deeply from the investigation launched against him. FW pulled away to keep some semblance of sanity surrounding his family after having the RST after him. It cost Doc Miller his retirement funds to defend himself in court against the specious allegations against him. Let’s not forget to throw in the questionable decisions of the DA office which have besmirched the City of Boulder reputation, the impression we now have of money and connections on thwarting an investigation, and the constant drone from the R’s about being a victim of the BPD.

And the lawsuits. . .if BDI, look at how much money was made on suing anyone who mentioned a BDI in public (of course, proceeds shared with LW who took to bragging about the money he made on the case.)

While merely an RDI here, no longer believing in justice in this case, and willing to let the universe sort it out, like everyone here I simply hoped to honor a little girl’s death with some truth. Maybe we’re just ringin’ some bells right now, as in L. Cohen’s lyrics -
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in.

MHO

Agree with so much of this post. Yesterday I started to read this...

"JonBenet Ramsey: Prostitution of Justice by Thomas C. "Doc" Miller"

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

I don't know if someone else previously linked it, or I happened upon it in one of my many random searches regarding this case. It's a very thought provoking read (lengthy though) and speaks to many of the points you bring up.

I would love to get an updated viewpoint in light of the GJs indictments, as it would further prove much of what he says.

As for Kolar, and the idea that he seemingly gives JR & PR a pass, I don't find that to be necessarily true. I do agree he seems to empathize with them to a point. He seems to recognize their pain regarding this tragedy, which maybe stems from the belief this was not premeditated. IA with UKs theory that he is possibly attempting to highlight and compare BRs behaviors with those of his parents. Additionally, I feel that he's dumbfounded that BR was never considered in any meaningful way to have had a part in this crime. Yes he could have never been held responsible, but perhaps if properly investigated his "guilt" would maybe, just maybe have resulted in someone being held accountable.

He writes in his prologue...

I have heard it expressed that the presumption of innocence does not attach until a defendant sits before the court at trial. Everything that goes before that event is an element of the investigative process, and I believe there are still active steps to be taken to achieve resolution and closure in this case. One has to be committed, however, to pursuing the truth, examining every lead of merit that presents itself, and be willing to explore the darker side of human behavior.

I have undertaken this work not because I believe a prosecution of any perpetrator of this crime will likely result from it, but because I believe it will move public perceptions of this case closer to the truth.

 

[bettybaby00]

bettybaby00,
Well I guess I should check the timeline, but if JR has relocated BR out of the house, so he never views JonBenet's body, and her head injury is hidden from view until Coroner Meyer peels her scalp back, and I presume BR never read the autopsy report, how come BR knews a head injury is present?



Also I reckon Kolar knows whatever the GJ knew about BR's prior behaviour, someone must have reported him, you have to wonder if there were ever any allegations made regarding someone other than JonBenet?

Hello the Christmas party, Susan Stine answering the door and Fleet White claiming some kind of misdialling. Bear in mind BR ends up at FW's house too.

I have the impression that the R's along with some of their friends have something they wish to be kept private?

Also postmortem some of Patsy's friends stated they had intended to discuss the mega-jonbenet thing with her, soo what, how does this relate to her death?

.

BBM

That was the point I was trying to make. The Rs asserted they weren't giving Burke any details, and were shielding him from medial reports...for months.

Yes, over time, that would have been harder and harder to accomplish, but in the first weeks I don't think it would have been that hard. In fact during the Larry King interview they assert, they didn't even know how JRB died. They also discuss how "isolated" they were.

Another thing Kolar points out, which is impossible for me to accept as falling within the range of normal "behavior," regarding Burke. After reviewing the DSS tape, and reviewing the transcripts from the June '98 interviews with the family he thought back to something that happened at the onset of the investigation.

The demeanor, and continued lack of “affect” exhibited by Burke during this series of interviews was unsettling. It appeared to me that he had no interest whatsoever in the progress of the investigation regarding the death of his sister.

There was one more peculiar aspect of Burke’s outward behavior that left me uneasy. At one juncture during my tenure at the D.A.’s office, I had met with Tom Trujillo, and we were going over some materials in one of the investigative binders at his office. We happened upon three individual Polaroid photographs of Burke and his parents. I had previously seen duplicates of these in the D.A.’s files. I asked Trujillo about them, and he informed me that he had taken the photographs on the afternoon of Saturday, December 28, 1996, when he was collecting non-testimonial evidence from members of the family. I took a few moments to silently study each of the photographs. John Ramsey looked tired, haggard, and despondent. Patsy Ramsey was hard to recognize. Her hair was pulled back tightly against her head; she was pale and without makeup and looked as though she had aged a hundred years. The beautiful woman I had seen in many other photographs was barely recognizable, and there was no doubt in my mind that she was consumed by anguish. Like his parents, Burke was seated in a chair and he leaned back slightly, with his right arm slung casually over a nearby table. Burke looked directly into the lens and smiled for the camera. It was puzzling. Here he was, providing handwriting exemplars, fingerprints, and DNA samples to police investigators in their investigation into the murder of his sister. It had to be a stressful and extremely painful time for everyone. I couldn’t help but wonder why Burke was smiling.

 

[DeeDee249]

Uh sorry, all loving parents ARE the same.

White, black, yellow, purple, blue, even animals try to revive their dead cubs. Elephants cry and mourn.

This pair go "oh lets finish her off"....you really believe that? Really? They insult her body by fiddling with it, tying it up, bashing the skull?

Really?

Apart from being totally unnatural, staging your dying child is actually AGAINST THE LAW.

These two wish us to believe they are law abiding citizens. Even I know to call 911 if someone (anyone) carks it in front of me.

PR's note also implies that she was relaxed and had all the time in the world. Hardly the reaction of a grieving, horrified, bereaved parent.

White, wealthy people can and do harm their children. Its a fact. Actually, staging the IS against the law, as you state. It was one of the charges that the GJ brought- that they conspired to hinder the investigation and covered up the crime. Unfortunately, UNLIKE murder and sexual abuse of a child, which have no statues of limitations, the act of covering up such a crime DOES have statutes of limitations, which had expired by the time the truth about the GJ indictments were revealed.
Patsy's note sounds anything but relaxed to me. It sounds like a desperate attempt to throw blame in as many directions as they could.
And, no, I do not think BR did any of the staging, including carrying her anywhere. I think he left her where she collapsed, whether it was in her bedroom, his bedroom, the kitchen or possible if they went to the basement together. But I feel it didn't happen in the basement. There has long been speculation that JB had "dust" on the bottom of her bare feet and some people feel that meant she had to have been standing in the WC. There had also been speculation about small bare footprints in the WC, but that has never been confirmed. Anyone walking around barefoot anywhere in a house will have dust on the soles of their feet. It would have also been easy to test that "dust" against the mold on the WC floor. So for what it's worth, MY BDI theory includes molestation (which occurred on more than this one occasion), a head bash. That's pretty much it. After the bash, the damage from which was NOT visible to anyone looking at her, the parents found they had a daughter who had been molested that night, with bleeding, who was lying comatose/dying/dead on the floor. How to explain that without implicating the abuser/basher was what drove their actions that night, which to me, were anything but relaxed. They were adrenaline-fueled acts of desperation.

 

[otg]

DeDee, you are very diligent in you looking for information, and I’ve learned a lot reading your posts that I wasn’t aware of. (Thank you.) But before we begin to accept something as fact, I just want to make sure how it was established. So forgive me for questioning things. I started to answer your post yesterday, but got sidetracked with the next discussion. I didn’t expect it to go anywhere, but I tried (along with a lot of other posters).
(rsbm)

I remain a bit confused over the usage of the word the size 8½ statement:

"Although police said they do not think the man was involved in the December 1996 killing of JonBenét, Beckner ordered the size 8½ boots tested this month just to be "thorough."

A partial footprint from a Hi-Tec boot was found at the Ramsey crime scene and remains unexplained."

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/01aboot.html

It is written here that the size was 9½ although not while under oath.

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

BR did not wear an adult size shoe, 8½ or 9½ or otherwise, in 1996. BR wore a youth size 3-5.

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

The 8-1/2 (and the 9-1/2) shoe size (IMO) is the speculation of others you picked up on. Ollie Gray was a P.I. hired to “investigate” this for the Ramseys. He tried to tie Michael Helgoth to JonBenet's death. I won’t go into all the details here (it’s easily found with a search), but he acquired the Hi-Tec brand boots that supposedly belonged to Michael Helgoth, which he turned over to BPD as a lead. That is the size 8-1/2 boot (Helgoth’s) referred to in your link to a Daily Camera article. Police later said that these boots did not match the print found in the WC. That article also states that “The Ramseys did not own that brand of shoe.” We know now that Burke did in fact, but I still don’t think he was wearing them in the WC on Christmas night. I think it had been too long since he wore them for him to be wearing them at that time.

Yes. And where the outline of the carabiner print is located in the CS image resembled a bare foot, the size JBR would have, according to LS. Your well presented facts decry LS.

Lou Smit claimed that there was the print of what looked to him like a bare foot print next to another print which was not the Hi-Tec. Attached is a photo showing the “other” shoe print with what looks like an “XP” in it. Next to it is a portion of leaf debris that has been referred to, and then to the right is the “bare foot print” referenced by Smit. I’ve also attached the CS close-up photo of that same “print”. He said in sworn testimony that it was approximately the same size as his granddaughter’s foot who was about the same age as JonBenet. But look at the photo and the CS scale next to it. The “print” is about 7 cm (2-3/4”) long. Is that the length of a typical 6 yo girl’s foot? And was she flat-footed with a rim going around the perimeter? The only thing I could ever figure out about Smit’s thinking this was that maybe he thought the CS scale was in inches instead of the standard centimeters. DeDee, your (or anyone else’s) ideas here would be appreciated, because I really don’t think Smit would just make up something like that.

[On a side note about the photo of “The Salute”, I’ll give a little more background later when I can find the time (sorry, this isn't my full-time job), because it always gets reactions whenever it gets posted. It’s always interesting to know the actual background behind something.]

Bottom line: BR owned a pair of HiTech boots. Undated unmatched HiTech boot prints were left in the WC mold. We cannot conclusively connect them to the CS.

Agreed. :thumb:

 

[MyBelle]

Great post...ITA, it's all in the specific language. Even more interesting to me was the line that read...

"6. From December 26th, 1996, to the date of this affidavit, no evidence has ever been developed in the investigation to justify elevating Burke Ramsey's status from that of witness to suspect."

And I'll re quote myself

"No evidence has ever been developed" is not the same as "there is no evidence."

Again, just like his statement at the conclusion of the GJ, he appears to be saying one thing specifically, yet upon closer inspection he's not really saying it at all, IMO

Also, much like MLs exoneration, LW was then able to waive these documents around
and claim...."See, we told you, I even have "official proof."

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

I also found very interesting the quote from CW that another poster linked to in the CW theory thread.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Cyril Wecht's theory of the murder

I think you are misinterpreting the document. All members of the family had to be ruled out by LE therefore it would not be accurate in a legal document to state that Burke was never viewed as a suspect. He had to be ruled out as a suspect.

That said, I think all the staging was a reaction from Patsy because she immediately assumed Burke was involved. The Ramsey household seemed to be ruled by Patsy, a narcissistic mother who was consumed with the image of perfect family. I think Burke is as much a victim as his sister and the little girl was killed by somebody who lurked around those ridiculous beauty pageants Patsy subjected her to.

 

[midwest mama]

I could explore BDI up to the point where PR and JR have made preparations for a guardian for him, expecting they might be arrested. And then possibly face charges that lead to the DEATH PENALTY. And becoming willing to see that possibility through without making legal arrangements of some sort to disclose the reality of a psychologically damaged son having murdered their daughter?

That type of concession and disclosure would have garnered them public empathy that should have swept the case out of any further media coverage, assured them of continued financial health, and would have kept JR a kingpin in his successful business endeavors, rather than sending him into a world of rejection and continued public damnation for himself and Burke after Patsy died.

If the R's covered for Burke to buy him, and themselves, a respectable future, it sure looks to me like that's the one thing in this crime they DIDN'T get away with.

 

[EastCoast]

I am always and forever perplexed at the language of LE when they say no one is a suspect and at this point everyone is a suspect. It always goes both ways, so I hold no credence to what LE or the DA in this case has said regarding that issue.

 

[Chelly]

Apologies to all but this BDI really gets my goat.

How do you think it happened? No matter which way I play it in my head I get the same answer.

Burke could never have got JB into that basement. NEVER.

BR didn't have to get JBR into the basement. The headbash could have been delivered by BR in JBR's bedroom. One or both of the other R's brought her to the basement, then into the WC.