Was Burke involved?

[Linda7NJ]

I think we spend all of our lives trying to prevent the worst. I think if the worst happens to you you figure that the odds are in your favor. IT is also possible that because he had so many people that he was consulting with they gave him a good profile of the perp and made him realize that Burke was not at risk.



jmo

I disagree. When something awful happens, normal people close ranks, become hyper vigilant, become over protective, install the best security and then some...
They do not forget to turn on the alarm. They do not forget to lock the doors. They just don't when there are other children to protect.


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[SapphireSteel]

You know what I want to know?

Why he hasnt been charged?

There is a Grand Jury Indictment!

Coloradans need to start asking this question of their elected representatives. If it becomes a political issue, it might get fixed.

 

[Cherry]

Since the thread poses the most important question IN this case, my answer is yes he was involved. Because we never found out or heard from the horses mouth what type of relationship these two siblings had, that's your first red flag. The 2nd is Ramsey's seclusion of said son minor or otherwise. So after all these years, keeping the sibling relationship under wraps is absolutely a huge problem for me, in an investigative sense. Also the fact that we know not his proclivities even unto this very day; red flag no 2. Red Flag no3, the pinapple was most likely fed by someone who knew it was in the fridge. Most likely, her sibling. I dont believe he was asleep at all that night. No 4 it completely *for me* answers the questions of WHY PR felt she NEEDED to write a ransom note. She found out a lot that night. Something most likely about both of her children. One dead, the other.....she had to cover this up. And in my most humble of opinions; she did. I wonder what Natalee's Mother found out when she dated Ramsey....I've often wondered about that. What did she know of burke, what does ANYONE know of him?

So my answer to the question is yes, for me he is the POI in this case. And has been *for me* for quite some time. That's just my answer to the question posed in this thread.

 

[Frigga]

By the time the ransom call hadn't come, and definitely by the time JonBenet's dead, cold and stiff body was discovered and brought up from the basement, the Ramsey's had to realize this wasn't about what the ransom note had posited and that whoever did this had to have close, intimate knowledge of their extremely confusing house, and of the families movements. This crime wasn't about money, nor John's business, but about perversion and possibly revenge. How could they not have wondered weather or not it was someone close to their family that had done this? How could that not have been something that crossed their minds that day?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I disagree. When something awful happens, normal people close ranks, become hyper vigilant, become over protective, install the best security and then some...
They do not forget to turn on the alarm. They do not forget to lock the doors. They just don't when there are other children to protect.


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That is not always the case and a lot of times the experts will tell you that you can then not have the other child living in fear. You need to give them a sense of safety but normalcy also.

The odds of another child being murdered is slim to none at that point.

JMO

 

[bettybaby00]

That is not always the case and a lot of times the experts will tell you that you can then not have the other child living in fear. You need to give them a sense of safety but normalcy also.

The odds of another child being murdered is slim to none at that point.

JMO

BBM


seriously????????????

The odds of another child being murdered are slim to none?! You're going to insist that's a normal thought process?????

Are you telling me that If this happened to you and some FBI expert told you, the odds of this happening to your other kid(s) is slim to none, you'd reply, " gotcha, so glad the odds are in my favor."

Like I posted up thread, in a very short time span there were 3 horrific child murders/abductions in the US. All of them taken from their beds. 2 in Cali and 1 in Florida. It freaked me the hell out, and it didn't even personally effect me. I became super vigilant about locked doors, and the alarm being set. Did I frighten my kids with my concerns, of course not. ... Is it still a concern for me today? You bet it is.

Eta:

I think we spend all of our lives trying to prevent the worst. I think if the worst happens to you you figure that the odds are in your favor. IT is also possible that because he had so many people that he was consulting with they gave him a good profile of the perp and made him realize that Burke was not at risk.

I didn't see this comment....

C'mon, if I were in the Rs shoes, I don't care how many experts told me what the "profile" likely was, and i shouldn't be worried. I would be afraid and vigilant.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM


seriously????????????

The odds of another child being murdered are slim to none?! You're going to insist that's a normal thought process?????

Are you telling me that If this happened to you and some FBI expert told you, the odds of this happening to your other kid(s) is slim to none, you'd reply, " gotcha, so glad the odds are in my favor."

Like I posted up thread, in a very short time span there were 3 horrific child murders/abductions in the US. All of them taken from their beds. 2 in Cali and 1 in Florida. It freaked me the hell out, and it didn't even personally effect me. I became super vigilant about locked doors, and the alarm being set. Did I frighten my kids with my concerns, of course not. ... Is it still a concern for me today? You bet it is.

Yes. It is a normal thought process. I don't think that you come by it easily but families that have had horrible crimes happen to them also have to get on with life. Once the worst happens to you, You do the best to move on from it. You can not stifle the remaining children. You can not live in a dark cave. You have to get out and live and get on with life.

I don't like arguments that have to do with someone making a parental decision because it is subjective. We all decide what is best for our kids and then have to just live.

Just because someone may choose differently from another does not make the other choices neglectful or ridiculous...

People like to hate JR. I don't get it, But they do. So everything or anything he has done is turned on its head to make it fit a monster. I don't see it. The rest of his children are all okay. Burke seems to have a productive normal life going. That speaks more to me than rumors and whispers.

 

[SapphireSteel]

My daughter was born in 92 and I insisted locks be put on every window while I was pregnant.

Her window didn't get opened until she was old enough to do it herself. She had an old fireplace so plenty of fresh air and the walls are ventilated too so for my own peace of mind it was closed and locked for years.

 

[Frigga]

And interestingly all of those other child abductions from their homes you mention- every single perp was caught. The perps that spent the least amount of time in the homes have all been caught, but JonBenet's perp- who spent hours and hours in many different locations in the house, in many different positions- leading the child from her bed, feeding her pineapple, writing a long ransom note before or after violently assaulting, raping and murdering the child has not- that is very interesting.

 

[bettybaby00]

Well I guess I'm just paranoid then....

It's ok, I can sleep at night knowing I do everything within my power to protect my family. I don't have to personally live through a similar tragedy to understand how important my family's safety is.

But hey, maybe that's just me.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

My daughter was born in 92 and I insisted locks be put on every window while I was pregnant.

Her window didn't get opened until she was old enough to do it herself. She had an old fireplace so plenty of fresh air and the walls are ventilated too so for my own peace of mind it was closed and locked for years.

I could not live like that, Nor would I want my children too. I think we all have different levels of what feels safe to us. I had my kids windows open when they were babies. They had safety locks on them but they had fresh air coming in at night.

 

[Frigga]

Polly Klass kidnapped from her home in 1993- Richard Allen Davis

JonBenet Ramsey kidnapped from her home in 1996- UNSOLVED oops- not really, kidnapped. A ransom note was left, so the murderer intended to kidnap her, but changed his mind.

Elizabeth Smart kidnapped from her home in 2002- Brian David Mitchell

Danielle Van Dam kidnapped from her home in 2002- David Alan Westerfield

Jessica Lundsford kidnapped from her home in 2005- John Couey

 

[Frigga]

The Ramsey's income and assets far exceeded those of the other families of kidnapped from home children in the list. John Ramsey had John Douglas on his payroll, access to the best and finest handwriting experts, investigators and attorney's. Yet, their daughter is the one child, in this group, where the perp has never been caught. So interesting. That is some really bad luck.

 

[bettybaby00]

The Ramsey's income and assets far exceeded those of the other families of kidnapped from home children in the list. John Ramsey had John Douglas on his payroll, access to the best and finest handwriting experts, investigators and attorney's. Yet, their daughter is the one child, in this group, where the perp has never been caught. So interesting. That is some really bad luck.

BBM

yet the odds were in his favor that his other child would never suffer the same fate. Must have been very comforting.

 

[otg]

Linda7NJ:

I disagree. When something awful happens, normal people close ranks, become hyper vigilant, become over protective, install the best security and then some...
They do not forget to turn on the alarm. They do not forget to lock the doors. They just don't when there are other children to protect.


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ScarlettScarpetta:

That is not always the case and a lot of times the experts will tell you that you can then not have the other child living in fear. You need to give them a sense of safety but normalcy also.

The odds of another child being murdered is slim to none at that point.

JMO

Patsy Ramsey:

Keep your babies close. There is someone out there.

 

[otg]

(bbm)

Mrs Ramsey called the police first. That makes sense to me. Mrs Ramsey called others next. That makes sense to me (I can understand why some people would do that). The police arrived within minutes. Before the police arrived, Mr Ramsey checked on Burke. That makes sense to me. He did not wake Burke. That makes sense to me.

I don’t believe for a minute that Burke was never asked if he had heard anything, or if he had awakened during the night, etc. He may not have been asked immediately, but I bet that the discussion and questions you think should have been asked were asked. So, this isn’t a question of Burke not being queried, it’s really just a question of when he was queried.
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AK

So exactly when do you think he was queried?

 

[Tawny]

Getting on with life in a normal, lackadaisical fashion is NOT "normal thought process" after a tragedy like this or after a burglary like was described. Cut it out.

 

[otg]

(bbm)

I do not disagree about the Ramsey's future concerns for security from potential intruders was nil. In fact, it is my belief that the Ramsey's had a security system installed at Charlevoix home due to the intrusion of the paparazzi. Hence, the same reason for obtaining a specially trained dog for Burke was to keep the paparazzi at bay.

Within weeks after the murder of his sister, the Ramsey's allowed Burke to return to school to complete the school year. Consequently, there must not have been fears of Burke being abducted nor of him being murdered.

A pitbull. Right? Wasn't its name Sue Sanstine -- :waitasec: or something like that?

 

[Charterhouse]

Mama2JML, I like your last post.
Obstructionist....I think that is a word that could often be used in this case.
Even now it seems like an appropriate word to use.
Obstructionist (n) one who deliberately tries to impede progress

 

[Mama2JML]

Mama2JML, I like your last post.
Obstructionist....I think that is a word that could often be used in this case.
Even now it seems like an appropriate word to use.
Obstructionist (n) one who deliberately tries to impede progress

The deposition re: Burke's security/safety @ school? You lost me...