Was Joe involved?

[scout35]

I heard it too. But it is not OK to assume he is guilty for having a lawyer. He has had this lawyer since 2007, according to records. That statement made me worried LE was gung-ho that they "had their guy", based on the fact that he had representation. LE better have much more than Granny's statements to go on. So far, that is all that is officially known.

Don't get me wrong. Having representation is the smart thing to do and in no way do I think that Joe is guilty just because he has a lawyer.

ETA: Ugh! I am full of typos tonight. Might be time for bed!

 

[kamky]

Do you really believe that Ron suspected Joe and despite his ranting about what he would do if he knew who "they" were , he listened to LE and stayed quiet and continued on in his drug trade? Yep, Misty pointed at Joe early on when she was pressed and so far she has lied about everything else, but not this? Then to top it off, they have sat in jail for 4 months without screaming to the top of their lungs all of this info that is coming out now.... I respect your opinion kamky, but respectfully disagree with your post in it's entirety..that's just my :twocents: and prolly not worth a plug nickel..

I respect yours also, Pondering, and it's great to have diverse viewpoints. It wouldn't be very interesting if we all saw things the same way!

My perspective goes back to the beginning of this case when there were many, many posts of negative rumors about Ron, starting at the time of the custody dispute. There is NO doubt in my mind that there was a concerted effort to discredit and slander him to support the custody effort. As a result, I credit 90% of these as unfounded gossip, rumors, and innuendo, so this backfired completely on me. The more there were, the less I believed and this continues to this day. I think that Ron is a run of the mill guy, very typical of the area he lives in, who was involved in petty crime when younger and has some history of drug use. I think he was becoming more responsible in recent years. I think he has some temper issues, but not excessive as some would like everyone to believe. I think he loved his kids and was trying to provide for them. I don't think he beat them. I think he made mistakes in judgement at times and could have done better. I think he uses a lot of bluff and bragging and bluster, maybe to improve his own self-image, who knows? But I don't think he thought in a million years that Misty would ever do anything to hurt his children.

I know less about Joe, but I think it is possible that he is a pedophile, based upon comments from his own family. And, his documented behaviour is suspicious. The next few days and weeks will reveal more, and I believe that LE will get to the bottom of things. I just wish, and I know you do too, that the outcome had been different and that they had discovered a live child.

 

[debs]

I am not pointing out his English as correct or not; I was referring to the tools of statement analysis, which is a methodology used to test whether statements are truthful. One sign of deception is the use of indefinite pronouns like "it" to refer to a crime, when the speaker has no way of knowing there WAS a crime (an "it") to deny doing. A person who says "I didn't do it" has an mind an "it," something specific. An innocent person would say, "I don't know what happened to Haleigh." "I didn't kidnap Haleigh." "I don't know who took Haleigh."

Everyone and their fuzzy kitten know what "it" was being referred to in questioning Joe. Merely stating "I didn't do it" in this instance must be measured by a national notion of what "it" is. I can give him leeway on this apparent standard tool in statement analysis. That is also a standard; knowing the in situ conditions of the statement made.

 

[dodie20]

Don't get me wrong.. I think Joe was/is not the greatest kid. But could his change of demeanor reflect a positve change since this traumatic event? (as opposed to Granny Hollar's take on his "change"?)

I've noticed that everybody involved in this has taken a turn for the worse, (drug trafficking, anyone?), so I figure that Joe has followed the same path. This burden has literally eaten them alive.

 

[dodie20]

Did anybody notice this, or did I mishear? On the JVM show, the stress test dude said that Misty "passed" the question on Jo's involvement? I think he said, that she showed truthfullness on that question. Help me out here please....

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Thank you! Nancy Grace seems to think there's something sinister about Misty calling Haleigh, 'that little girl'. I'm from Texas & I say the same thing about my daughter. It's a term of endearment. Haleigh wasn't even Misty's daughter-just the girlfriend/babysitter. Also, I've heard 2 different Florida news reporters use the same phrase when describing Haleigh. I admit that I've never heard the word stole used instead of kidnapped, but maybe that's also local terminology. To me, it smacks of property & ownership, but I try to give Ronald the benefit of the doubt.

Cindy said that too. "My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her....." I wonder whose words those were originally. Maybe it is a regional thing. I don't know what kinds of things I might say if my child were taken. The way I feel right now, I don't know how I would speak if the missing child were my own.

I must say that I have no idea what to think anymore. Just when you think it can't get anymore bizarre than KC, along comes this bunch. I have never believed that Ron had anything to do with it, at least initially. I don't believe him to be any more guilty today than I did yesterday, but at the same time I have no idea what to think or feel at all about anyone or anything. I feel numb and like someone punched me in the face and the stomach at the same time. It never occurred to me that there would be a murder weapon. It never crossed my mind that anyone would have intentionally killed this child. I don't know why and that is not to say that I didn't think that she could have been killed by someone in a rage. But that someone killed her deliberately never entered my mind.

I can't believe anything that anyone says outside of LE at this point. And to be honest, I don't know if I believe that they are telling the truth either. I think it is possible that they have some bone but who knows. I think that I will have to reserve all future judgement on anything and everything until I can see some discovery. Once an arrest is made and the lawyers start picking it up I hope that the news will do the same with this discovery as they have done with Caylee. Until then we may never know the truth about anything. We've all seen from following Caylee that important things can be left out. I am just in total shock.

 

[nanaleenie]

Here in Florida, we have witnessed Misty's predictable meltdown through weekly and sometimes daily jail phone calls and video visits broadcast on our local news. Imagine her life, living la vida loco, answering to no-one as she runs her drug-ring, doing whatever and whomever she wants, a cocky 18 year addict full of self-importance...and then BAM!!! No more smoking, no more drugs, no more money, no sleep all day/out all night, and reality has been visciously smacking her in the face for the past few months. Her video visits with daddy have become more and more tearful and outraged and she is clearly becoming desperately aggressive with her pleas to everyone to she speaks with to 'get me outta here, I can't take this no more.'

LE knew EXACTLY what they were doing as they baited the trap for Misty the stray cat to get caught selling to an undercover with 3 cameras rolling from within the unmarked sting car. They knew that having her locked up would make her so restless and agitated that it was just a matter of time till she started to propose 'let's make a deal'....and they knew they have all the time in the world to gather evidence and make their case in Haleigh's investigation because SHE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE ON A $MILLION BOND!!!

If Gma Holler had all these enlightening prepaid jail phone calls from Tommy and Misty, I think we would have HEARD them on the 6:00 news by now (as we have in the Casey case), don'tcha think???

FINAL THOUGHT: Does ANYONE know what TRUTH is anymore? TRUTH is instilled through NURTURING, and this entire cast of dysfunctional characters have obviously been shamefully neglected generation after generation after generation....

Haleigh truly is, as they say, 'in a better place.'

 

[dodie20]

It is not just the media, LE said it himself today at the presser and the way he said sent huge red flags to me. He sounded as if he was disgusted by the fact. But of course, that's just my perception.

Let me say something from experience. If you show up in court, with a lawyer, you're taken seriously. If you go alone, you're not. You can take the same evidence, plead your case, but it's like you're a liar & wasting the court's time. Same thing with the cops. My daughter was getting the runaround with them, getting told conflicting stories, etc...I got my brother, a lawyer, to drop in on them, & all he had to do was ask for a badge number, & the crap stopped. I feel really really sorry for people who don't have the resources for representation. They're sc***ed, plain & simple.

 

[Melanie]

I think Jo took her, killed her, and threw her in the river.
Now, did anyone help him dispose of HaLeigh???? IDK :waitasec:


JMO

I believe Tommy helped. Joe took Haleigh (IMHO) when he couldn't find Ronald's gun collection and threatened to kill Misty and her family if she told anyone. Tommy went along to help dispose of the body.

Just my opinion of course.

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Thank you! Nancy Grace seems to think there's something sinister about Misty calling Haleigh, 'that little girl'. I'm from Texas & I say the same thing about my daughter. It's a term of endearment. Haleigh wasn't even Misty's daughter-just the girlfriend/babysitter. Also, I've heard 2 different Florida news reporters use the same phrase when describing Haleigh. I admit that I've never heard the word stole used instead of kidnapped, but maybe that's also local terminology. To me, it smacks of property & ownership, but I try to give Ronald the benefit of the doubt.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I got in SO much trouble when I was a child and referred to my mom as "she". My father quickly corrected me and said "your mother is not a she, you refer to her as mother". Boy, I never made that mistake again. In return, we were always referred to by our first name (and add the middle if you're in trouble). It would be unheard of to be called "that girl" or "that kid". Just typing it make my skin crawl.

Funny thing is I do the same thing with my son. He's called me "she" before (as in "where is she"). I point out, I'm not a she, I am your mother, and you will address me as such.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

Mel

 

[dodie20]

We keep wondering if these rumors are true, how in the world a person could do something like this. Drugs make people insane. My daughter's ex got so messed up on pills one night, that he literally tried to kill her. He wasn't a violent person, but he had her down choking her & pounding his fist in her face. He beat another girl for trying to help her. My daughter finally called 911, but they arrested both of them for family violence-her because she hit back & didn't call them earlier. They locked them up & my daughter could hear him screaming for hours-he had been put in a restraint chair. So those cops found a way to control him. We know that every one of these main players was on pills. If these stories involving Joe pan out, it's very possible he was pill raging. If he was mad over some kind of fight with Ron & a stolen gun, & felt wronged, it's very likely that he did go to that trailer to extract revenge. & he would've felt completely in the right for doing it. I've seen that same ex pill raging, & it's an ugly, scary sight. Somebody on that junk is completely unreachable. You can't reason with them, & it's like being around a wild animal. Their veins are almost literally popping out of their skin. If this turns out to be true, I can tell you right now, Haleigh didn't stand a chance.

 

[Melanie]

We keep wondering if these rumors are true, how in the world a person could do something like this. Drugs make people insane. My daughter's ex got so messed up on pills one night, that he literally tried to kill her. He wasn't a violent person, but he had her down choking her & pounding his fist in her face. He beat another girl for trying to help her. My daughter finally called 911, but they arrested both of them for family violence-her because she hit back & didn't call them earlier. They locked them up & my daughter could hear him screaming for hours-he had been put in a restraint chair. So those cops found a way to control him. We know that every one of these main players was on pills. If these stories involving Joe pan out, it's very possible he was pill raging. If he was mad over some kind of fight with Ron & a stolen gun, & felt wronged, it's very likely that he did go to that trailer to extract revenge. & he would've felt completely in the right for doing it. I've seen that same ex pill raging, & it's an ugly, scary sight. Somebody on that junk is completely unreachable. You can't reason with them, & it's like being around a wild animal. Their veins are almost literally popping out of their skin. If this turns out to be true, I can tell you right now, Haleigh didn't stand a chance.

Hii Dodie,

You are spot on. Crack, Ectasy, Meth, can all make you crazy. I doubt they were on Benzo's at that time of night/morning. It's my understanding that Tommy and Misty would stay up for days -- which tells me they were on strong stimulants.

What scares me is if Joe/Tommy were on a cocaine binge. They could truly not remember what happened!

Best,

Mel

Use of cocaine in a binge, during which the drug is taken repeatedly and at increasingly high doses, leads to a state of increasing irritability, restlessness, and paranoia. This may result in a full-blown paranoid psychosis, in which the individual loses touch with reality and experiences auditory hallucinations.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I haven't read through the whole thread but I'm sure others noticed Grandma Holler told two versions on JVM, and three versions on NG. And people are wondering why some of us are suspicious?

I'm thinking all three (Tommy, Misty, Joe) are in it deep, deep, deep with Ron and Teresa covering after the fact.

Did Misty's grandmother remind anyone else of Ronald's grandmother? They both have that "big bruiser, don't mess with me" persona. I can still hear GGMa Sykes saying, "That's a crock" when someone asked her a question she didn't like about Ron's child bride Misty. GGMa Sykes might be the ring leader on the Cummings side in Satsuma, while Misty is the town's drug ring leader.

My head is spinning and I'm a bit numb from all these wild tales. :banghead:

 

[Concerned Papa]

Has any other individual in this case had a statement this absolute made by LE in regards to their possible involvement with what happened to Haleigh? If so, I would very much appreciate a link because I've missed it.

A man who visited Haleigh Cummings' family in Satsuma and returned to Tennessee the day she disappeared is not a suspect, police said Saturday as the frustrating search for the missing 5-year-old continued.

Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office told reporters during an afternoon briefing that the man, a cousin of Haleigh's father's girlfriend, was interviewed after detectives learned of him early in the investigation and was subsequently ruled out.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...cousin_not_a_suspect_in_haleigh_cummings_case

Has anyone ever seen a single criminal charge of record for Joe Overstreet? If so, I would appreciate a link because I can't find one.

Has anyone ever read, seen, or heard a single negative word about Joe Overstreet that didn't come DIRECTLY from drug abusing, documented liars with pending felony criminal charges? If so, please tell me who and when.

We each have our own opinions, but until I can find SOMETHING, mine can't change. Right now I'm of the opinion that Joe may be the smartest limb on this particular family tree for getting the hell away from this circus as soon as he did.

 

[4Jacy]

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I got in SO much trouble when I was a child and referred to my mom as "she". My father quickly corrected me and said "your mother is not a she, you refer to her as mother". Boy, I never made that mistake again. In return, we were always referred to by our first name (and add the middle if you're in trouble). It would be unheard of to be called "that girl" or "that kid". Just typing it make my skin crawl.

Funny thing is I do the same thing with my son. He's called me "she" before (as in "where is she"). I point out, I'm not a she, I am your mother, and you will address me as such.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

Mel

OMG, did we have the same parents?

 

[Baznme]

I'm just throwing this out there. If SODDI, why has MC and TC kept this a secret for so long. Something isn't making sense.

 

[Meagain]

Does anyone recall any snippets out there of Joe taking a poly? I don't recall hearing/reading anything of a Joe Poly. Ever.

 

[Meagain]

Sorry - IDK where to post this....

The letter from Misty to Mass that Leonard has. It was shown on NG.
I can't find that letter anywhere. How could it be shown on TV yet no copy available for us to read?

Does anyone know where this letter might be floating around? I'm just confused about it.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I am not so sure that I am buying what Misty is telling about Joe.
I find it interesting that Misty,who claims Joe came to the trailer,wanting to steal a gun,got mad and instead took Haleigh and then killed the child. Now maybe I am way off base here,but based on Misty's story-Joe left with Haleigh,Misty apparently remained back at the trailer---so my question is How did Misty know about the river,and other details about the river,if she wasn't a part of this?

When she was taken to the river in handcuffs--she was pointing out to areas for the searchers to look (per NG),....this clearly indicates to me that she had to have been a witness to Haleigh's murder ( if not the murderer herself) and helped to dispose of Haleigh's body.
Now Misty and Tommy both make phone calls to the grandmother within 15 minutes of each other. ALSO if Misty was sooooooo afraid of Joe that she wouldn't say anything before this- but had no problem putting a restraining order on Tommy and even her mother I think last year. She could of done the same with Joe IMO. Her grandmother gives 3 versions of what may of happen to Haleigh, one that she heard from someone in FL. The one wear Misty allegedly hit Haleigh on the head with a board. How does that fit into the Joe theory? She also mentions the oxycotin, which was mentioned last year in the affidavit that Joe P. signed. That led to the search of the Mondex.

Also, take note...LE says that "He's a person of interest as far as having information," Bowling said. http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-04-16/putnam-sheriff-haleigh-likely-murdered

I also find it interesting that Chelsea claims to have told LE to search this area 14 months ago right when Haleigh went missing, and LE never followed up.
She claims she got a letter from Misty but held on to it..I wonder if she ever gave that letter to LE?
If not, Why? ( Chelsea Croslin said she did not want to provide a copy of the letter for fear of retaliation.) Why would she claim she told LE about the area 14 months ago and LE said that is not so. Grandma Hollars also feels the 3 of them are still holding something back, I wonder if she got another letter that she to is not sharing? IMO, Misty must of told Chelsea something and Chelsea has not shared all with LE. I find her behavior very odd as well. I feel if Joe is involved it was after the fact? Maybe he is the one that is fearing for his life, maybe someone threated him? What if he saw something when it was to late? He would still be charged to a certain degree. I feel that "SOMEONE ELSE" has instill "FEAR" in Misty, Tommy, and Joe and that is why they all have been silent for so long. Tommy's drug issues became worse when Haleigh went missing, something was eating at him IMO.

 

[tehcloser]

I don't doubt they take drugs. But to jump from that to Joe/andor/Tommy went into a drug craized killing binge is a stretch, for 1 they would have still been pretty nutzo a few hours later when the cops showed up and I'm sure they would have noticed.