Was Joe involved?

[Muffet]

Pat Brown has been the leader of the Ron did it crowd from the beginning. I know there are some very dangerous parents out there that do horrible things to their kids, and she probably knows more about this than all of us, but I don't believe that Ron hurt his daughter Haleigh. I noticed Nancy said again she doesn't believe Ron was involved.

Since Pat Brown's theory actually is not that "Ron did it," I don't see how she could be the leader of "the Ron did it crowd."

As for Nancy's take, she's demonstrated such a habit of jumping the gun and digging in despite all evidence to the contrary, she's probably one of the last people I'd look to as a guide, fwiw.

:twocents:

 

[Crosby87]

I was thinking the about that was the reason, Joe left so fast. He knew someone would say he was there and could be in trouble if he was on probation.

If Joe violated his probation order, his probation officer should have been hauled back to Court to face the Judge. LE in Florida know if he violated his P.O., but we haven't heard whether he was turned in or not. It would be unusual if he was allowed to leave TN while on probation. Jo would have saved himself alot of hassle if he had stayed out of Florida and complied with the Judge's orders. For some there is no way but the hard way.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Since Pat Brown's theory actually is not that "Ron did it," I don't see how she could be the leader of "the Ron did it crowd."

As for Nancy's take, she's demonstrated such a habit of jumping the gun and digging in despite all evidence to the contrary, she's probably one of the last people I'd look to as a guide, fwiw.

:twocents:

I must be mistaken then. I thought I heard her say she thinks Misty is covering for Ron. Maybe it wasn't she who said it.

 

[Crosby87]

Did Ms. Hollers tell NG who told her Misty hit HaLeigh with a board?

 

[grandmaj]

Get back on topic now. TITLE OF THIS THREAD. "IS JOE INVOLVED"

 

[Muffet]

I must be mistaken then. I thought I heard her say she thinks Misty is covering for Ron. Maybe it wasn't she who said it.

She has said it, and I too think Misty is covering for Ron, but it doesn't mean we think "he did it". Ron can have culpability or other things to hide without having been the one who harmed Haleigh.

You can read Pat Brown's theory here:
http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2010/04/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-why.html

 

[Muffet]

Get back on topic now. TITLE OF THIS THREAD. "IS JOE INVOLVED"

Sorry, Grandma! I didn't even notice.

eta: I think it is most likely that JO is either a complete scapegoat, or he helped hide the evidence.

 

[kwmred]

Misty lived with Grandma Flora for a time. She talks about trying to help Misty with her school work and not being very successful at it.

Thanks, but that doesn't change my opinion of grandma. IMO, she's just as bad as the rest of the family. The only reason any of them are talking is b/c they are sitting in jail.

I would love to know what exactly JO is saying to LE "in detail." That would maybe be of some help in determining whether or not he was involved.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I remember he said he spanked his kids in a way that was approved by DFS or something like that. I also remember that someone at work overheard a conversation he had with Misty about Haleigh misbehaving and I think he told her to whip her, but I may be wrong about this. If the scenario above (other poster) is true, then he may feel guilty about leaving Haleigh with Misty (he must now) but I don't believe he had anything to do with her disappearance.

I guess my question would be...How many people actually know how to spank their children in a way that is approved by DSS? and why would they know that?

Do you think that it's not possible that in anger Ron hit HaLeigh too hard? That wouldn't mean that he didn't love her. FWIW, I've never suspected that whatever happened to her was intentional. I'm just not seeing what a few others must see...that Ron couldn't have possibly gotten out of control. Everything that I've ever seen points to the fact that he very easily could and imho probably did.

IMO, Joe is likely a scapegoat...and one that Ron wasn't even going to use, Misty came up with that. I think he and Misty were taking a page from Judge Judy's playbook..'Keep it simple stupid' as neither offered up even the basic of details, as to not forget their story..

 

[Blue Ridge]

Did Ms. Hollers tell NG who told her Misty hit HaLeigh with a board?

IIRC this is the question where Gma answered to the effect of "somebody in FL" and wouldn't elaborate.

 

[debs]

Ron is the one who offered the information regarding the back door that moved beyond the Joe story of bricking. He added that the door had been forced open with a crow bar.

 

[Pondering Mind]

IIRC this is the question where Gma answered to the effect of "somebody in FL" and wouldn't elaborate.

ot, grandmaj I'll be thisquick :angel:..Can you imagine people telling you these things and you not asking any more details?..that's a tough one for me..moo

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Originally Posted by Clown
I was thinking the about that was the reason, Joe left so fast. He knew someone would say he was there and could be in trouble if he was on probation.

Well, grandma said ever since he got back he has not been the same. Maybe he was threated to be put back in jail for violating his probation and was given a warning? Could be the reason in his change? Just a thought.

 

[Crosby87]

I remember he said he spanked his kids in a way that was approved by DFS or something like that. I also remember that someone at work overheard a conversation he had with Misty about Haleigh misbehaving and I think he told her to whip her, but I may be wrong about this. If the scenario above (other poster) is true, then he may feel guilty about leaving Haleigh with Misty (he must now) but I don't believe he had anything to do with her disappearance.

I clearly remember Ron telling us he spanked his children and DCF approved his methods of discipline. At this point in time, it is hearsay that a coworker overheard Ron tell Misty to whip his daughter. I doubt anyone realized a child could fall from the force of being hit and loose their balance and hit their head on a sharp object. I think Ron would feel guilty for allowing someone other than himself to discipline his children.

After the fact, Tommy told Lindsy not to allow a babysitter to spank his children so IMO he knows his sister hurt HaLeigh. Lindsy may not know what Tommy knows and IMO she still believes HaLeigh was abducted by a stranger because her response to Tommy was "children are abducted from their homes more these days" to which Tommy had no reply.

 

[nellydee]

Well, grandma said ever since he got back he has not been the same. Maybe he was threated to be put back in jail for violating his probation and was given a warning? Could be the reason in his change? Just a thought.

Grandma seems real quick to throw Joe under the bus....but on NG last night she said that Misty loved children, she couldn't have done it...hmmmmm:waitasec:

 

[passionflower]

HLN just now said LE said call from TC to gram did happen.

 

[Pondering Mind]

HLN just now said LE said call from TC to gram did happen.

Grandma Holler said last night on NG that the confessional calls from Misty and Tommy came 15 minutes apart. After 14 months, a coincidence? I don't think so...:sick:

 

[Crosby87]

I guess my question would be...How many people actually know how to spank their children in a way that is approved by DSS? and why would they know that?

Do you think that it's not possible that in anger Ron hit HaLeigh too hard? That wouldn't mean that he didn't love her. FWIW, I've never suspected that whatever happened to her was intentional. I'm just not seeing what a few others must see...that Ron couldn't have possibly gotten out of control. Everything that I've ever seen points to the fact that he very easily could and imho probably did.

IMO, Joe is likely a scapegoat...and one that Ron wasn't even going to use, Misty came up with that. I think he and Misty were taking a page from Judge Judy's playbook..'Keep it simple stupid' as neither offered up even the basic of details, as to not forget their story..

This case will raise awareness and make other parents consider the risks before they strike their children when they are angry. Tommy is already speaking out. Sure it’s possible Ron could have hit HaLeigh, but he was at work and Misty admits she was there that evening and put HaLeigh to bed. It is possible Ron left work after an argument with Misty at 8:30 pm, but he supposedly made a flurry of phone calls from work so it seems reasonable to assume he stayed at work his entire shift. To allege Ron left work, accidently killed his daughter, then went back to work makes it sound like he left work to go pick and deliver a quart of milk. He would have been in shock and the neighbors would have heard the rukus. If it is true Ron physically attacked Misty when he was angry with her, evidently there is violence occurring in this home.

 

[4Jacy]

I guess my question would be...How many people actually know how to spank their children in a way that is approved by DSS? and why would they know that?
Do you think that it's not possible that in anger Ron hit HaLeigh too hard? That wouldn't mean that he didn't love her. FWIW, I've never suspected that whatever happened to her was intentional. I'm just not seeing what a few others must see...that Ron couldn't have possibly gotten out of control. Everything that I've ever seen points to the fact that he very easily could and imho probably did.

IMO, Joe is likely a scapegoat...and one that Ron wasn't even going to use, Misty came up with that. I think he and Misty were taking a page from Judge Judy's playbook..'Keep it simple stupid' as neither offered up even the basic of details, as to not forget their story..

BBM
I mean, REALLY! That's what I thought the first time I saw that. Like, how would you know that, why would you know that and what have you done so that you would know that?

Kinda disagree with you about Joe. I think he's involved in some way, don't know exactly how yet. I don't know who to give the credit to for this, but an earlier poster said Joe reminded her of Charles Manson. He really does too. A younger, thinner faced CM.

I love that JJ's "Keep it simple stupid", I had forgotten about that and it really made me laughs. I think we need a few laughs every once in a while in this case. tx

 

[scout35]

I remember reading that it is not uncommon for families who have custody issues to be given parenting classes/council. That may be the reason why he knows the "appropriate" way to spank a child.

I'm not sticking up or defending or anything. I Just remember reading that on here early on in the case.