Was Joe involved?

[Emma Peel]

It is a bit lighter, but maybe that's the hand he got shot in. I think he got shot in the hand while trying to rob a car, maybe he had a cast or something on it.

Oh good. I'm glad you see it too Maven!

I think he took his gangsta glove off, myself. Which, he must have previously wore during daylight - given he had a tan from it in February...

 

[bessie]

Okay, help me with something. Am I seeing things?

Looking @ Joe's right hand in this "proof" (ha, ha miss mew) - his hand is funny white. not even his fingers. his hand.

like he is tanned except on his hand.

as if he typically wears a fingerless glove.

ahem.

so where's the glove in this picture?

anyone else see this? Maybe it's the light.

I see it, too, Emma. It was mentioned in one of the tapes that he has a job. Is it possible that he wears some type of protective gloves or brace? For instance, if he does construction work outdoors and uses heavy tools, he might wear gloves that protect his hands but leave his fingers free for fine gripping of nails or screws, for instance. I dunno. Just guessing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One thing that I find very telling about more information being released about Joe Overstreet.

LE and the DA has to know that by releasing these tapes that Joe Overstreet is being put under extreme pressure and stress. Yet LE remains silent as a tomb and lets all of this come out into the public domain about Joe and never once comes out and tries to set the record straight that they do not think any of this is true.

I have always believed when a prosecutor releases any information to the public it is for a calculated purpose and part of their strategy. Are they wanting others who know about Joe to come forward? Imo, I think they do, although I think they know a heck of a lot about JO already and more than what the Croslins have said. Are they putting the squeeze on Joe now even more than they have? They seem to be ratcheting up the pressure on him even more. They have basically released tapes calling him a murderer of a defenseless child and even the towns folk in his hometown are learning all of this.

If LE believed none of this was true they would come out and try to quieten it down knowing that a story like this could end in someone going off half cocked and hurting Joe. But then I have always believed they have had in under police surveillance for a very long time now.

IMO, they want Joe to know Tommy is really talking now and giving details.

IMO

 

[Peliman]

One thing that I find very telling about more information being released about Joe Overstreet.

LE and the DA has to know that by releasing these tapes that Joe Overstreet is being put under extreme pressure and stress. Yet LE remains silent as a tomb and lets all of this come out into the public domain about Joe and never once comes out and tries to set the record straight that they do not think any of this is true.

I have always believed when a prosecutor releases any information to the public it is for a calculated purpose and part of their strategy. Are they wanting others who know about Joe to come forward? Imo, I think they do, although I think they know a heck of a lot about JO already and more than what the Croslins have said. Are they putting the squeeze on Joe now even more than they have? They seem to be ratcheting up the pressure on him even more. They have basically released tapes calling him a murderer of a defenseless child and even the towns folk in his hometown are learning all of this.

If LE believed none of this was true they would come out and try to quieten it down knowing that a story like this could end in someone going off half cocked and hurting Joe. But then I have always believed they have had in under police surveillance for a very long time now.

IMO, they want Joe to know Tommy is really talking now and giving details.

IMO

And LE hs known to use diversion tactics by casting suspicion on another subjects. For all we know considering the reliability of all involved none of them are considered credible. So we'll wait for LE to play the cards. They may have a Royal Straight Flush.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And LE hs known to use diversion tactics by casting suspicion on another subjects. For all we know considering the reliability of all involved none of them are considered credible. So we'll wait for LE to play the cards. They may have a Royal Straight Flush.

I have never seen them do that knowing that the information could put the person in grave peril and extreme danger though.

I keeping thinking how Tommy said months ago they came to him wanting him to tell them about Joe.

I also keep thinking what Steve Brown said. That one arrested will be a shock and the other one not so much. I think it would be shocking to learn that a man swept into town for 2 weeks and murdered a little child he didn't even know.

 

[Cowdaddy]

One thing that I find very telling about more information being released about Joe Overstreet.

LE and the DA has to know that by releasing these tapes that Joe Overstreet is being put under extreme pressure and stress. Yet LE remains silent as a tomb and lets all of this come out into the public domain about Joe and never once comes out and tries to set the record straight that they do not think any of this is true.

I have always believed when a prosecutor releases any information to the public it is for a calculated purpose and part of their strategy. Are they wanting others who know about Joe to come forward? Imo, I think they do, although I think they know a heck of a lot about JO already and more than what the Croslins have said. Are they putting the squeeze on Joe now even more than they have? They seem to be ratcheting up the pressure on him even more. They have basically released tapes calling him a murderer of a defenseless child and even the towns folk in his hometown are learning all of this.

If LE believed none of this was true they would come out and try to quieten it down knowing that a story like this could end in someone going off half cocked and hurting Joe. But then I have always believed they have had in under police surveillance for a very long time now.

IMO, they want Joe to know Tommy is really talking now and giving details.

IMO

No kidding. Your analysis is right on the money.

Other people seem to think that the tapes exonerate Joe, but it looks to me like it applies major heat on Joe. His life must be a pressure cooker.

Joe is also the only one who is refusing to cooperate with LE.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

LE allegedly spoke with JO before he left to go back home to Tennessee. LE also took his clothing he wore the night HaLeigh disappeared..

How do they fool LE? If they questioned JO and released him they must not have thought he was involved. LE also processed the van and nothing incriminating found, yet we have ToC in his jailhouse tapes stateing, JO had her in the van!

I just can't understand how this bunch has kept quiet for 16 months, how did they sleep at night knowing the truth about what happened to HaLeigh..:furious:

ToC can't understand why Lindsy is divorcing him??? I'd have left his arse long ago, knowing he knew something that happened to a child or could be involved in her disposal, was enough to send Lindsy packing..good for her! If it's true and she already has a replacement for ToC, she needs to rethink this. She may want to be independant for awhile, focusing on her schooling and children. Why do girls today feel it necessary to be with a guy, like the guy adds value to them as woman...:waitasec:

I have never seen them do that knowing that the information could put the person in grave peril and extreme danger though.

I keeping thinking how Tommy said months ago they came to him wanting him to tell them about Joe.

I also keep thinking what Steve Brown said. That one arrested will be a shock and the other one not so much. I think it would be shocking to learn that a man swept into town for 2 weeks and murdered a little child he didn't even know.

LE must have him under surveillance. I don't think they'd let these tapes go public without having a finger on where JO is at all times...I believe Tennessee LE or FBI have him under surveillance. They may be waiting for him to slip up with a huge crime and use this case as leverage..I dont' understand why there are no arrests already since ToC/MC are singing like canaries..but is it the "real" truth??? I can't imagine ToC only knowing things after the fact and fear he is more involved than he's willing to state...JMHO

Justice for HaLeigh

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LE allegedly spoke with JO before he left to go back home to Tennessee. LE also took his clothing he wore the night HaLeigh disappeared..

How do they fool LE? If they questioned JO and released him they must not have thought he was involved. LE also processed the van and nothing incriminating found, yet we have ToC in his jailhouse tapes stating, JO had her in the van!

I just can't understand how this bunch has kept quiet for 16 months, how did they sleep at night knowing the truth about what happened to HaLeigh..:furious:

ToC can't understand why Lindsy is divorcing him??? I'd have left his arse long ago, knowing he knew something that happened to a child or could be involved in her disposal, was enough to send Lindsy packing..good for her! If it's true and she already has a replacement for ToC, she needs to rethink this. She may want to be independent for awhile, focusing on her schooling and children. Why do girls today feel it necessary to be with a guy, like the guy adds value to them as woman...:waitasec:



LE must have him under surveillance. I don't think they'd let these tapes go public without having a finger on where JO is at all times...I believe Tennessee LE or FBI have him under surveillance. They may be waiting for him to slip up with a huge crime and use this case as leverage..I dont' understand why there are no arrests already since ToC/MC are singing like canaries..but is it the "real" truth??? I can't imagine ToC only knowing things after the fact and fear he is more involved than he's willing to state...JMHO

Justice for HaLeigh

That has always spoke volumes to me LLL. If they believed Joe's "story" that he wasnt there that night then why did they immediately retain all of his clothing and search the friend's vehicle? It is obvious even at that time they did not believe Joe.

If he had any damaging DNA of Haleigh's on him I doubt he kept those clothes but I really don't think DNA was found. I think most likely Haleigh was strangled or smothered and if a hair of hers was found well he made a point in stressing he was around Haleigh and people lose head hair daily that can transfer easily so LE would need more than that.

I think they knew even back then but they needed more proof even if it is powerful circumstantial evidence. I think all along they have been building a CE case brick by brick and they have long known who was there and who was involved and what roles each played.

I think there will be arrests in this case. But the DA is not going to move until he has all the results back from what came out of the river search, imo.

Lindsy doesn't need another relationship now. She needs to devote her time making a better life for her and her children.

IMO

 

[debs]

The tapes are over a month old, information on those tapes in LE's hands since mid-April. If LE thought the information was enough to 'put pressure' on Joe, then certainly there was enough to arrest Joe and charge him with murder. He is still free in TN, as far as we know. We know he certainly was free as these tapes were being made.

I'm much more confident in LE than to assume that they'd leave a predator such as Tommy et al make Joe out to be, out on the streets to boil over and perhaps harm more people.

My best analysis of why Joe isn't in jail right now is that all this 'new information' about Joe is BS. And LE knows it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The tapes are over a month old, information on those tapes in LE's hands since mid-April. If LE thought the information was enough to 'put pressure' on Joe, then certainly there was enough to arrest Joe and charge him with murder. He is still free in TN, as far as we know. We know he certainly was free as these tapes were being made.

I'm much more confident in LE than to assume that they'd leave a predator such as Tommy et al make Joe out to be, out on the streets to boil over and perhaps harm more people.

My best analysis of why Joe isn't in jail right now is that all this 'new information' about Joe is BS. And LE knows it.

I dont think that is true. I think they are sending Joe a message and want him to know that Tommy is now giving them details.

They will not move to arrest Joe before they get all the evidence back from the search at the river. They would be remiss if they jumped the gun. They know they only have one bite at the apple and they also know exactly where Joe is imo.

No different than other cases where the suspect was arrested right out of the blue much later after the crime had occurred even though it was the one LE has suspected all the time. Police or the DA will take months or even years before they move to arrest so imo Joe being free for now means nada.

IMO

 

[debs]

GATHERING evidence which could implicate Joe is all they need to hold him with a charge. Joe is free. These tapes are a month old, the search at Shell Harbor took place in the same time frame. Joe was questioned at that time by LE. Joe appeared on TV with his attorney. Joe's grandmother offered her evaluation of it all on TV, and still no arrest of Joe.

If there was anything, one SMALL SPEC of anything, LE would have snatched him up.

I believe Joe to be a very cleverly designed ruse by LE.

I believe I'll be glad to be proven wrong. But I believe I'm not.

 

[Concerned Papa]

One of the comments above made note of a statement "one arrested will be a shock and the other one not so much". After the past month of statements from LE, attorneys, and inundation by the media regarding Joe Overstreet, is there anyone following this case who would actually be SHOCKED by his arrest?

I think LE could easily be closing in on a "shocker" or two, but I can't see it being Joe Overstreet.

 

[TrialAddict]

Timmy would be the one I would be shocked about getting arrested. Or Chelsea. I think she knows why more then she is saying.

 

[lorann]

GATHERING evidence which could implicate Joe is all they need to hold him with a charge. Joe is free. These tapes are a month old, the search at Shell Harbor took place in the same time frame. Joe was questioned at that time by LE. Joe appeared on TV with his attorney. Joe's grandmother offered her evaluation of it all on TV, and still no arrest of Joe.

If there was anything, one SMALL SPEC of anything, LE would have snatched him up.

I believe Joe to be a very cleverly designed ruse by LE.

I believe I'll be glad to be proven wrong. But I believe I'm not.

I don't now what to think about Joe, I'm not sure he even was involved in any coverup. His "crime" may have been to steal the gun ad maybe he threw it off the dock. I doubt if he has been watched this whole time. If they want him locked up for safety, they would have dogged him and gotten him for something - drugs, driving drunk - something. If there is someone who has threatened to kill anyone's family that rats and it is not Joe, that leaves Joe very vulnerable.

 

[Donjeta]

Is it really a good idea for LE to release these tapes if Joe is their main suspect? They could add pressure and let him or his lawyer know that Tommy is talking without giving away what he's saying. He could use any details that are in these calls to construct his defence, and if Tommy is still lying about something for all I know he might be relieved that Tommy hasn't let out the Real Truth (TM), like where Haleigh and all the evidence against them really is. I'm sure he must be upset that his name is out there as a possible crazy childkilling pedophile but nothing much has changed in that respect since February 2009 when the idea first surfaced, has it?

 

[mydailyopinions]

What stands out to me to this day was what Hardy said after the search..
Misty is in trouble..


If Misty is so innocent, then why would she be in trouble? I don't think that Hardy was talking about the Drug charges after the search for Haleigh at the docks either.

 

[Cowdaddy]

The tapes are over a month old, information on those tapes in LE's hands since mid-April. If LE thought the information was enough to 'put pressure' on Joe, then certainly there was enough to arrest Joe and charge him with murder. He is still free in TN, as far as we know. We know he certainly was free as these tapes were being made.

I'm much more confident in LE than to assume that they'd leave a predator such as Tommy et al make Joe out to be, out on the streets to boil over and perhaps harm more people.

My best analysis of why Joe isn't in jail right now is that all this 'new information' about Joe is BS. And LE knows it.

LE did go to TN to question Joe, but Joe has lawyered up. He is the only one involved who is not cooperating. LE very often uses information that isn't enough to make an arrest to put pressure on suspects.

The information is probably quite enough to make an arrest. It was certainly enough for LE to make a trip up to TN to question Joe at 11:30 at night.

If Joe didn't have anything to hide, he would cooperate with LE.

 

[debs]

I don't now what to think about Joe, I'm not sure he even was involved in any coverup. His "crime" may have been to steal the gun ad maybe he threw it off the dock. I doubt if he has been watched this whole time. If they want him locked up for safety, they would have dogged him and gotten him for something - drugs, driving drunk - something. If there is someone who has threatened to kill anyone's family that rats and it is not Joe, that leaves Joe very vulnerable.

LE did go to TN to question Joe, but Joe has lawyered up. He is the only one involved who is not cooperating. LE very often uses information that isn't enough to make an arrest to put pressure on suspects.

The information is probably quite enough to make an arrest. It was certainly enough for LE to make a trip up to TN to question Joe at 11:30 at night.

If Joe didn't have anything to hide, he would cooperate with LE.

His attorney stated that his client has cooperated. As it's been pointed out, Joe has had this attorney for various reasons for at least 3 years. LE arrested 5 people for drug charges and held them all with high bails. We've all seen the revolving door at PCSO for drug charges over the past 16 months. If LE wanted Joe in custody to ensure he wasn't going to run, or harm someone else, or was generally a threat and just to get him off the street, he'd be locked up. If the information is enough to arrest, Joe would have been held in TN just like his aunt Lisa Croslin was when PCSO wanted her.

 

[Cowdaddy]

Is it really a good idea for LE to release these tapes if Joe is their main suspect? They could add pressure and let him or his lawyer know that Tommy is talking without giving away what he's saying. He could use any details that are in these calls to construct his defence, and if Tommy is still lying about something for all I know he might be relieved that Tommy hasn't let out the Real Truth (TM), like where Haleigh and all the evidence against them really is. I'm sure he must be upset that his name is out there as a possible crazy childkilling pedophile but nothing much has changed in that respect since February 2009 when the idea first surfaced, has it?

Better to let him know what Tommy is saying rather than just leaving them with the vague idea that Tommy is talking. This could leave Joe knowing LE KNOWS he's involved rather than leaving Joe suspecting that LE thinks he may be involved. The first is likely to be quite unnerving, especially when you consider that LE isn't likely to ever give up if they know something.

When Joe is charged, Joe's lawyer will have plenty of time to try to build a defense anyway, or, more likely, plenty of time to make a deal.

We don't know if the profile that Grandma Hollars, Hank, Sr, Tommy, and others paint of Joe is true or not. But if this information is even half true, then Joe is their man.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

One of the comments above made note of a statement "one arrested will be a shock and the other one not so much". After the past month of statements from LE, attorneys, and innuendation by the media regarding Joe Overstreet, is there anyone following this case who would actually be SHOCKED by his arrest?

I think LE could easily be closing in on a "shocker" or two, but I can't see it being Joe Overstreet.

For me, the "shocker" would be TN or GGS. That said, the "not so shocking" arrest is already behind bars I don't think it's JO. jmho