Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Alethea Dice]

Never underestimate stupid. Remember Millard's eBay holster purchases? ( sorry can't cut and paste)

Yeah, but buying a holster isn't illegal as far as I know. You would think that the person selling the guns, who had already previously been caught and charged, would know enough to only do it in person. No wonder he just keeps getting charged.

 

[cansleuther]

I think the whole conversation regarding a shotgun being used was speculation based on the picture that was taken of the shotgun through the window.

Susan Clairmont also reported early on in the investigation that a shotgun was used:

Toronto homicide detectives are also looking into two other cases with connections to Millard. The shotgun death of his father, Wayne Millard, last December was considered a suicide at the time. Now it is being investigated as a possible murder.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3236885-second-man-accused-barely-audible-in-court/

 

[redheart]

Yeah, but buying a holster isn't illegal as far as I know. You would think that the person selling the guns, who had already previously been caught and charged, would know enough to only do it in person. No wonder he just keeps getting charged.

Obviously whether the holster was legal was not the point. DM is dumb or cocky enough (or both) to leave a trail all over the place.

 

[swedie]

I would hope they would have gotten the proper warrants to search the computers. They ran into this problem as well with the oft referenced Rafferty trial. The computer searches were not allowed as they did not have the proper separate warrants IIRC.

JMO

BBM - Me too. And that is what I meant by this in my last post: With these laws seemingly always changing, I bet the big city LE are right on top of these laws. And yes although that evidence in MR's case was thrown out, look at all the other evidence LE had to present to the jury which put the away. I can only imagine the magnitude of evidence gathered in these three murders DM is being charged with. Not to forget MS and his two murder charges. Again, I for one am not worried. MOO.


But, while admitting that “at the time of the search, no binding authority indicated that the police were obligated to obtain a [separate] search warrant” to examine the laptop, Judge Heeney nonetheless found that Det.-Sgt. Gast took “the risk” the law might change.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/10/tori-stafford-michael-rafferty-evidence/

 

[Carli]

Thanks cansleuther. I'm pretty sure that story was the genesis of the shotgun weapon although I very dimly recall having seen the reference somewhere else, too. No idea where. Anyway, if the shotgun in the photograph was not the murder (or suicide) weapon, then we seem to be one shotgun down in the count. The one used to murder WM (or that he shot himself with) plus the one of no interest to the police. So does this suggest that the illegal gun trafficking charge must relate to one or more of the Matthews selling a shotgun to DM?

 

[Carli]

I think the whole conversation regarding a shotgun being used was speculation based on the picture that was taken of the shotgun through the window. I thought it was taken from outside either at the time LE was doing the search of the house, or shortly after their search. I can't imagine that LE would have left the gun that was used, unless there was a licence for it and it was returned after the death was ruled a suicide.

I don't think we can assume that it was a restricted weapon that was sold or used in the death of WM. The charges that included the AK-47 were a different set of charges with a different set of friends. A weapon is illegal no matter whether it's prohibited, restricted, or non-restricted, if the owner has no licence for it.

JMO

Yes. Found the item I was looking for. And it does indicate that people were obviously inside the house "following" a police investigation". However, it's not clear to me who, or how many people may have ransacked the residence, or when, (before or after LE's presence on scene) or how often, nor when the photographs through the window, including the picture of the gun, were taken. It rather seems as if the house was wide open for quite awhile, its owner in the slammer and nobody around to look after the place.. It that is the case then I suppose it's anybody's guess who that gun may belong to. I suppose it's possible that the house was broken into quite quickly upon the widely broadcast news that DM had been arrested. Should that be so, contamination of any evidence found there will undoubtedly be vigorously challenged. Seems odd to me. The Hangar and the Ayr farm were well secured and very extensively and repeatedly searched and yet the Maple Gate alleged murder scene appears to have received very little attention. (Or maybe it was just that MSM didn't cover that info.) MOO. IMHO. To me, the description of the mess inside the house looks like thieves were tearing apart the place looking for cash and drugs or other contraband, possibly including guns? Mind you I have no idea how LE carry out evidence searches. Is this kind of havoc the usual aftermath?

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._mother_sells_family_home_for_12_million.html

"When the Star visited the home, which backs onto a golf course, in May following a police investigation, it was a mess, with clothing, documents and cans of soup strewn throughout. The only thing moving was a black cat. "

 

[Alethea Dice]

Susan Clairmont also reported early on in the investigation that a shotgun was used:



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3236885-second-man-accused-barely-audible-in-court/

Thanks, cansleuther. I should have remembered that as I thought at the time it would be hard for a shotgun not to take out your eye along with a large piece of your head.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Obviously whether the holster was legal was not the point. DM is dumb or cocky enough (or both) to leave a trail all over the place.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But both my original comment and my second response was about the seller, not DM. The point was that, you would think that someone who sells illegal guns, after having already been previously caught and charged, would have been a little more careful. That's a little different than the naive Joe Blow who suddenly decides he wants to buy one and doesn't know enough how careful he should try to be.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Yes. Found the item I was looking for. And it does indicate that people were obviously inside the house "following" a police investigation". However, it's not clear to me who, or how many people may have ransacked the residence, or when, (before or after LE's presence on scene) or how often, nor when the photographs through the window, including the picture of the gun, were taken. It rather seems as if the house was wide open for quite awhile, its owner in the slammer and nobody around to look after the place.. It that is the case then I suppose it's anybody's guess who that gun may belong to. I suppose it's possible that the house was broken into quite quickly upon the widely broadcast news that DM had been arrested. Should that be so, contamination of any evidence found there will undoubtedly be vigorously challenged. Seems odd to me. The Hangar and the Ayr farm were well secured and very extensively and repeatedly searched and yet the Maple Gate alleged murder scene appears to have received very little attention. (Or maybe it was just that MSM didn't cover that info.) MOO. IMHO. To me, the description of the mess inside the house looks like thieves were tearing apart the place looking for cash and drugs or other contraband, possibly including guns? Mind you I have no idea how LE carry out evidence searches. Is this kind of havoc the usual aftermath?

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._mother_sells_family_home_for_12_million.html

"When the Star visited the home, which backs onto a golf course, in May following a police investigation, it was a mess, with clothing, documents and cans of soup strewn throughout. The only thing moving was a black cat. "

Well, it does say they visited the home in May, so it couldn't have been long after the LE search of the house in the TB case. But you would wonder why reporters would be allowed to wander through the house, whether LE was done their search or not. Doe LE typically leave a house unlocked as well as in shambles?

I wonder what happened to the kitty?

JMO

 

[Carli]

Do you know for a fact MA was not a chop shop? Please provide a link if so. Apparently one stolen motorcycle is theft = a crime in the eyes of the law. And it was found in MA's hangar which puts him in possession of it.

Maybe we should included some important facts about the case you are referring to to have a better understanding of that case. You are comparing apples to oranges IMO.

Come on now, in such large cities where there are many of these types of seizures and searches going down on a daily basis, where LE, judges and forensics probably run them through like they are on an assembly line, you don't have faith in LE to know the proper procedures when taking electronic devices into their possession, what rules apply before searches can be done to them?? With these laws seemingly always changing, I bet the big city LE are right on top of these laws. I for one am not worried and I don't think you should be either.

Oh and another thing, the whole chop shop thing...that's peanuts compared to the three murder charges DM is facing. We're speaking of probably 75 years of being in "the hole". :yow: MS, 40 years to life. MOO.

Police entering a home with a search warrant have no right to examine any computers they find unless a judge has given them specific permission, the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled unanimously./B]

In a British Columbia case involving a man police suspected of diverting electricity from B.C. Hydro for a marijuana-growing operation, a judge had granted a search warrant that made no mention of access to computers. The police seized two computers anyway in an attempt to prove that the man, Vu Thanh Long, lived in the house. The trial judge threw out that evidence, saying that in the digital age, it was inconceivable a warrant could implicitly authorize a computer search.

If they do not have a warrant specifying a computer search, police are entitled to seize and hold computers while they seek a judge’s authorization to look at their contents, the court said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...omputers-supreme-court-rules/article15309690/

Re: Marty's motorbike. Not to split hairs but technically it was MillardAir that was in possession of it.

Re: The unanimous Supreme Court of Canada ruling. As in all such determinations, it's not the case, it's the precedent that matters.

If you would care to read the actual ruling, rather than a quasi-accurate summary, you will see how this ruling may be considered an important one for all Canadians, because the ramifications reach far beyond criminal activity investigations.

 

[swedie]

Yes. Found the item I was looking for. And it does indicate that people were obviously inside the house "following" a police investigation". However, it's not clear to me who, or how many people may have ransacked the residence, or when, (before or after LE's presence on scene) or how often, nor when the photographs through the window, including the picture of the gun, were taken. It rather seems as if the house was wide open for quite awhile, its owner in the slammer and nobody around to look after the place.. It that is the case then I suppose it's anybody's guess who that gun may belong to. I suppose it's possible that the house was broken into quite quickly upon the widely broadcast news that DM had been arrested. Should that be so, contamination of any evidence found there will undoubtedly be vigorously challenged. Seems odd to me. The Hangar and the Ayr farm were well secured and very extensively and repeatedly searched and yet the Maple Gate alleged murder scene appears to have received very little attention. (Or maybe it was just that MSM didn't cover that info.) MOO. IMHO. To me, the description of the mess inside the house looks like thieves were tearing apart the place looking for cash and drugs or other contraband, possibly including guns? Mind you I have no idea how LE carry out evidence searches. Is this kind of havoc the usual aftermath?

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._mother_sells_family_home_for_12_million.html

"When the Star visited the home, which backs onto a golf course, in May following a police investigation, it was a mess, with clothing, documents and cans of soup strewn throughout. The only thing moving was a black cat. "

Yes it does appear those pictures were taken through windows. BBM - maybe seems that way but highly unlikely to happen before or during an investigation. MOO.

 

[Carli]

Thanks, cansleuther. I should have remembered that as I thought at the time it would be hard for a shotgun not to take out your eye along with a large piece of your head.

Yes, and shot pellets distributed all over the place - i.e. lodged in the walls, etc. particularly so if a shooter were standing away from the victim. Maybe less so if the victim had an unusually long arm and was able to aim the gun barrel at point blank range at his own eye. Then it would be head parts strewn about. MOO. Not to say that it doesn't happen.

Here's some stats not for the faint hearted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7595324

 

[swedie]

Seriously...don't people know what really goes on on the WWW?! MOO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJOSm9Bg7WY

38 minutes in they speak of the what I am referring to. HTH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXajND7BQzk

 

[Carli]

Seriously...don't people know what really goes on on the WWW?! MOO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJOSm9Bg7WY

38 minutes in they speak of the what I am referring to. HTH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXajND7BQzk

I'm not sure I get your point. Very nasty trade goes down on or near Main Street, Everytown, largely unencumbered and without the benefit of the WWW. That is certainly a concern but blaming the WWW is just not credible. In fact there has been a remarkable downturn in crime (especially notable in western countries) since the advent of the internet. Arguably the WWW, through significantly stretching the reach of LE is an incredibly beneficial tool in combatting crime. Is it bitcoin that has you worried? It shouldn't, propagandist scare tactics notwithstanding. This new currency has extraordinary global significance but the discussion that the subject deserves is way OT here. MOO. IMO. IMHO. But, as a BTW, on the practical level, PayPal, Ebay are among the many companies that now accept BitCoin. More retailers online at http://www.coindesk.com/information/what-can-you-buy-with-bitcoins/ If you're not already onboard you may soon find yourself swimming against the wake. IMO. MOO.

See Forbes on this subject at http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc...in-to-shop-at-amazon-home-depot-cvs-and-more/

 

[matou]

Just read this article again. Does this snip from the article mean that DM was removing structural components from the hangar after laying off the staff after the death of his father?

But when Wayne, who was in his early 70s, died suddenly last fall, Dellen put his father’s plans on ice, laying off staff and cancelling a key certificate from Transport Canada. Instead, he put the hangar up for lease and continued to store his collection of cars and aircraft there.


However, a contractor who worked on the hangar said Mr. Millard wasn’t the type to tinker on engines himself. “I’ve never seen his hands dirty that way. I didn’t find him that mechanically inclined,” the contractor said.


In fact, once when Mr. Millard needed some space he took a cutting torch and removed some structural components from the building, the contractor said. “That’s something you don’t do and I told him we have to put it back. And if he was a little more mechanically inclined, he would know that.”

Lots of good stuff in the article. One of Noudga's friends was interviewed. There is mention of an "SUV" type of vehicle following Tim Bosma's truck. There is mention of how both the farm AND the hangar were extensively searched. The police followed him for 4 hours before they arrested him. A good good article to review.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...arged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

 

[SnooperDuper]

That was my first thought too. Could someone selling illegal guns really be dumb enough to do the deal online? :facepalm:

Alas, I have but one face and two palms...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?246816-Matthew-Ward-Jackson&p=10623134#post10623134

 

[Sillybilly]

I would hope they would have gotten the proper warrants to search the computers. They ran into this problem as well with the oft referenced Rafferty trial. The computer searches were not allowed as they did not have the proper separate warrants IIRC.

JMO

IIRC, Judge Heeney ruled the evidence out even though the secondary warrant was not a legal requirement at the time, but the law was under review.

Quite different from the much later Nov 2013 Vu Thanh Long case linked earlier where the judge allowed the evidence anyway:

However, the court said the evidence from the computers in Mr. Long’s case, although illegally obtained, can be used in his trial because police acted reasonably in an area of law that was changing.

Under Canadian law, evidence that has been gathered illegally may be allowed if a judge rules that it would hurt the justice system’s reputation more to leave it out.

WRT bringing the administration of justice into disrepute, there are also cases where evidence illegally obtained was allowed because the "probative value outweighs the prejudicial effect".

All that aside, presumably LE knew enough about the new law at the time of the computer seizures in this case, and had obtained the appropriate warrants ... another little goody we won't know unless it becomes an issue at trial.

 

[Juballee]

Alas, I have but one face and two palms...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?246816-Matthew-Ward-Jackson&p=10623134#post10623134

I see the picture of the gun and bullets, but the comments below don't seem to indicate that he was trying to sell it online, in my opinion. Maybe I've got the order wrong, but it seems someone asks him 'How much' and his answer appeared to be that they sell in stores for a certain price. I saw no discussion that lead me to believe it was being sold to the person commenting on it, just that they were a curious friend, in my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I see the picture of the gun and bullets, but the comments below don't seem to indicate that he was trying to sell it online, in my opinion. Maybe I've got the order wrong, but it seems someone asks him 'How much' and his answer appeared to be that they sell in stores for a certain price. I saw no discussion that lead me to believe it was being sold to the person commenting on it, just that they were a curious friend, in my opinion.

When MWJ posted a picture of a Glock and a price: what exactly was he trying to communicate?

After all, he didn't write, "Sorry pal, you need a PAL #KeepItLegal"

When he tagged the gun picture, what was he trying to communicate - to who? After all, once you tag a picture, it's no longer obscure but public and fully searchable.

Why did MWJ want to make the picture of the gun fully searchable? What kind of people was he trying to connect with through the tags #gunporn #glocklife #teamglock #glock? What other kind of images and info come up on Instagram if you search for #gunporn #glocklife #teamglock #glock?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I see the picture of the gun and bullets, but the comments below don't seem to indicate that he was trying to sell it online, in my opinion. Maybe I've got the order wrong, but it seems someone asks him 'How much' and his answer appeared to be that they sell in stores for a certain price. I saw no discussion that lead me to believe it was being sold to the person commenting on it, just that they were a curious friend, in my opinion.

It made me curious to see the deals I could get in "ur local gun store". For one thing, there seems to be a dearth of gun stores in the GTA. Very little choice as to where to go.

This is the closest one to Etobicoke (and one of 2 in the GTA?) where a Glock is roughly $800 + $100 taxes = $900
http://www.alflahertys.com/collections/firearms/Handguns

So "ur local gun store" seems to be offering a hell of a deal and I want to know where that is.