weekend break: discuss the latest here #123

[G&AMom]

BBM Will you be providing condiments, counselor? Thanks for the legal take on the "journal" issue -- goodness knows few of us believe that it accurately reflects events as they occurred at the time.

You know, I think about what my journal would look like -- if I had either the time or inclination to keep one -- and I know very well it would be useless if at some point in the future I was accused of a crime. Sample entries would look something like this:

Monday: Well today I thought I had a dental appt but I guess it's tomorrow maybe. Probably mow the lawn if it stops raining. I had an idea I wanted to write down but I can't remember it. Oh,
Tuesday: Guess I never finished yesterday, I'm tired, thinking about lunch. What was I supposed to do after lecture? I need to get that book from the library
Wednesday: Missed my dental appt. yesterday. Rescheduled it but I don't remember when. Forgot to mow the lawn. Need to remember to buy something. Where is my
Thursday: Finally found my pen.
Friday: DW reminded me about some appt. and I need to write it down. It's on Monday, but I don't remember what month.

:cow:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Hey! You copied MY diary!

 

[jojomonkey]

You know, I think she always treated Bobby, Peter, Greg and Mr. Brady reasonably well.

You are awesome - that is hilarious.:floorlaugh:

 

[cityslick]

I have to agree. I really, really want to like him but this prosecution team, to me, seems just all over the place. As you say, the evidence is there, the facts are there, hammer those home and let's get done with this!

Between battering the witnesses for no real apparent reason (I can understand getting angry here and there, but not constantly), long, involved questioning of the 'specialists' (only one question to ask here, of either of them: "Are all of these speculations you have given us based on the story Jodi Arias told to you?" Answer: "Yes". "Prosecution rests.") and the cane-signing and picture taking I'm having real trouble understanding the point of any of it. And that was before we even got to Snow White.

I think he's just doing what he gets paid to do but I will say this:

To someone who doesn't know him and doesn't follow these things all the time, he does come off as arrogant and belittling to the witnesses at times. Going by history, we know that anytime a lawyer does that, state or defense, it doesn't play well with the public and it certainly doesn't play well with a jury. Now in this case it may be a moot point because IMO it's a pretty open and shut case.

Here's an example. I followed the Nancy Cooper case. There was this one witness for the defense that was adamant that she saw the deceased after the state claims she died. But when she got up on the stand, the prosecutor didn't nail her to the wall during cross examination or belittle her. He just talked with her, as if they were both sitting on the porch watching the birds. After awhile you can tell she never did see Nancy. And that information came out in a way that the jury could appreciate without making the witness look like a fool.

All prosecutors have their style. JM's style is what you see and you either accept it or not. If he has a long track record of convictions, then obviously it works for him.

 

[Hopeful One]

BBM Will you be providing condiments, counselor? Thanks for the legal take on the "journal" issue -- goodness knows few of us believe that it accurately reflects events as they occurred at the time.

You know, I think about what my journal would look like -- if I had either the time or inclination to keep one -- and I know very well it would be useless if at some point in the future I was accused of a crime. Sample entries would look something like this:

Monday: Well today I thought I had a dental appt but I guess it's tomorrow maybe. Probably mow the lawn if it stops raining. I had an idea I wanted to write down but I can't remember it. Oh,
Tuesday: Guess I never finished yesterday, I'm tired, thinking about lunch. What was I supposed to do after lecture? I need to get that book from the library
Wednesday: Missed my dental appt. yesterday. Rescheduled it but I don't remember when. Forgot to mow the lawn. Need to remember to buy something. Where is my
Thursday: Finally found my pen.
Friday: DW reminded me about some appt. and I need to write it down. It's on Monday, but I don't remember what month.

:cow:

Stop making me laugh so much today!! I'm going to pee-pee my Spiderman undies!!!

 

[Jane Jetson]

Hope I'm putting this in the right place. First time caller, long time "listener" to WS. Really enjoy the insight!

I just have a few minutes, so I'll have to come back to see if there are any replies, but I have two questions/observations:

1. If LaViolette had a talk entitled "Was Snow White Abused?" and it wasn't really about Snow White being abused, then that is misleading. And misleading is what this lady has been from day one.

2. I haven't heard/seen any comments on how coerced Travis looks in the shower photos. He looks cowed and afraid. In one, I think he seems to have the beginning of tears in his eyes. Wouldn't this be an important part of the trial? Maybe someone has covered it, and I didn't see, since I've only been watching since Arias came to the stand. I knew that was crazy in and of itself, given the circumstances, so it was like a car wreck - you want to look away, but your curiousity gets the better of you.

Thanks in advance for any input! :seeya:

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Good morning!

Can anybody tell me approximately where in yesterday's testimony you can hear AL saying that Travis was not a victim? I want to see the reactions on people's faces as she says that. If I have to watch the entire day again, I will jump out of a window. Thanks

Watch from 51:10-51:30 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3zlhqVZqE

 

[LambChop]

I have to agree. I really, really want to like him but this prosecution team, to me, seems just all over the place. As you say, the evidence is there, the facts are there, hammer those home and let's get done with this!

Between battering the witnesses for no real apparent reason (I can understand getting angry here and there, but not constantly), long, involved questioning of the 'specialists' (only one question to ask here, of either of them: "Are all of these speculations you have given us based on the story Jodi Arias told to you?" Answer: "Yes". "Prosecution rests.") and the cane-signing and picture taking I'm having real trouble understanding the point of any of it. And that was before we even got to Snow White.

So, what are we saying, that the prosecution should stay home? It's the State's right to challenge the witness on points that they know are incorrect and bring that into evidence for the jury to consider. Once outside the courtroom the prosecutor is entitled to the same rights as anyone else. He just can't talk about the case. The defense, however, can talk all they want. Problem is no one from the press wants to talk to the defense. What really surprises me is that JM never asks the judge to treat the witnesses as hostile because is certainly how they are behaving. jmo

 

[Hopeful One]

These are in my back yard... how much will you guys give me if I dress up as Snow White and sit in the audience?

I don't have a lot of money personally but maybe we should start a collection. This is something I would definitely pay to see! :floorlaugh:

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Something about her being there doesn't feel right to me. I can't quite put my finger on it but it makes me nervous.

Hopefully I'm wrong and she's there to support Travis's family.

I feel the same way. I'm concerned.

We don't know what she's up to, IF anything. Apparently, she and Travis' family believe she didn't do anything wrong, and yes, she has the freedom to be there.

So! Maybe she will mind her p's and q's and not create a problem..................but we must also remember that OTHERS can create a problem around her (a statement, yelling, even inappropriate looks) and if it's in front of the jury, it might create a problem for the Court. I'm sorry, after watching Donovan and the laughing ladies' row yesterday, I can absolutely see someone trying to cause a problem. Doesn't anyone else????

Also, we know that more than one juror (supposedly) told the court of something this ex-juror did, that caused her to be dismissed. Wonder how that made the sitting jurors feel, with ex-juror now watching them? If it were me, I'd feel awkward, maybe a little guilty, I don't know.

So, IMO only, why is it worth the risk? I wish she'd stay away so that the DT has NOTHING to complain about. It's my hope that yesterday was her first and last day of attending trial, at least until the verdict. JMO

 

[luvmygarden]

Which is why she quickly averts her eyes to Wilmott to determine whether her answer should be negative or affirmative. :what:

I am so happy right out of the box JM got that straight with ALV. He wants answers to his questions She has spent all her time shaking her head yes or no in accordance with JW. Now she will earn her 300.00 per hr. This is what she should have been doing all along. Go JM

 

[VALee]

What does it say? It only goes to the directory page.

Hello everyone! I used to be KY Gal on the In Session board, but decided that would be rather tacky now. So I spelt out Kentucky. I read here for the longest time and finally decided to join. Keep up the good work and Carry ON!

Welcome to the zoo Kentucky Gal, after this trial your In Session name will work better in these parts, but good call to spell out what you mean by KY for now :floorlaugh:

 

[Charterhouse]

Steely Dan, I just wanted to thank you for condensing ALV Snow White for me. I could not stand to watch the whole thing.
You did a wonderful job getting to the crux of her lecture.
Thank you again.

 

[DebinGA]

I'd be prepared to bet that all her diaries were seized in the beginning and photocopies made so you would be able to compare to the originals in any event. However that's not to say she didn't spend three weeks doctoring them knowing full well they would be brought into evidence. That JA even mentions the diaries in her interview with Det Fl makes me think she really wanted them read.

I hope video of her pointedly directing Flores' attention to her journals appears during rebuttal. She tells him they're in "my bedroom safe" iirc. Guess Gramps and Meemaw were snoopers too.

 

[audreyparker]

Here's a link to another long journal entry (8 pages) from 5/22/08; ALV testified about this during her last day of direct with JW.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias1.pdf

Previously shared on this thread, the June entries after the phone call from Dan Freeman:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias2.pdf

I tried following the file naming protocol to see if there were others, but no more at this time.

Wow! It's amazing how it just so happens she mentions all the pertinent points of her testiphoney in the 5/22 journal entry. Phone stolen - check. Mimi - check. "Scandalous text message - check. Recorded phone calls - check. She even says she never figured out how to play back the phone calls for him and goes on and on about how she doesn't want those calls and messages to come to light - yeah right.

And she called him bi-polar - suuuuuurrrreeeee, he's the bi-polar one!

 

[thefragile7393]

These are in my back yard... how much will you guys give me if I dress up as Snow White and sit in the audience?

Part of my tax return!

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[jojomonkey]

These are in my back yard... how much will you guys give me if I dress up as Snow White and sit in the audience?

Snow White with a black eye of course, right?

Anyone remember that picture that Jodi drew of a beaten Snow White - that's the first thing I thought of when Juan brought that up yesterday.

 

[lisasalinger]

I'm sure she doctored those journals before she was arrested. Maybe she even made the whole dang things up. I put nothing past her.

Has the jury seen the journal entries from June 10, 2008 and later? I'm pretty sure they were presented in the Prosecution CIC to further demonstrate her cover up tactics, but I'm not entirely sure. If someone can confirm that would be great. I'm trying to keep straight what the jury knows vs. what we know.

If the jury sees that she fabricated her journal after the murder than they clearly can make the leap that the rest of the journals pre-murder also contain fiction/cover-up.

 

[TigerBalm]

What I'd like to see on HLN's next After Dark segment:

BOLD ACCUSATION

Has Alyce LaViolette, by her own definition, abused, battered and terroristically stalked the person and reputation of the late Travis Alexander and his family?

We need to employ a recognized standard in order to complete our evaluation of the subject.

Let's measure Alyce LaViolette by her own metrics, shall we?

Common Aggression

• Aberrant act -- ALV has done this before and will likely re-offend
• Remorse -- ALV shows no remorse for what she's done to Travis
• Does not cause fear, oppression or control -- ALV wants the jury to fear Travis, she wants to control his reputation
• No injury -- ALV has murdered Travis's reputation and emotionally scarred his family
• Comes from escalating arguments -- ALV's testiphoney escalated in its argumentiveness
• Could happen in any family -- ALV will do this to anyone for money

High Conflict

• Do not solve problems well -- ALV argues with and is non-responsive to authority figures
• Anger is an issue in family -- ALV is easily angered over fairy tales
• May-have remorse -- ALV may come to regret her support of a lying torture-murderess
• May have sporadic physical aggression and/or destruction of property -- No evidence of this yet, unless you count ALV's gut-bump with Nurmi yesterday
• Not emotionally abusive -- ALV is off-the-hook emotionally abusive to TA's family
• No fear -- ALV does not seem to fear even her own bad judgment
• Comes from escalating arguments -- ALV argues with authority figures and escalates same

Abuse

• Sporadic physical aggression -- Again, we have only ALV's belly-bash with Nurmi yesterday
• Name-calling, but not character assassination -- ALV has already assassinated Travis's character
• Verbal abuse, but not psychological -- ALV is unable to psychologically abuse Travis, but has verbally abused him and his reputation
• Development of apprehension -- Travis's family is apprehensive every time ALV opens her mouth
• May be remorseful -- No, ALV still shows no signs of remorse
• Threats of abandonment -- ALV interrupts important legal proceedings only to abandon them for a time
• Aggression takes place without witnesses -- The jury did not witness yesterday's gut-bump

Battering

• Monopolization of perception -- ALV grants JA a total monopoly of perception, Travis is allowed none
• Generally more regular physical abuse, but may occur without physical -- Again, the torso-touché with Nurmi
• Threats to victim's support system -- ALV lies about Travis directly to his family
• Isolation -- ALV still lives in a make-believe, misandrous dungeon of her own making
• Name-calling that attacks character -- ALV in spades
• Threats to kill self or others -- Not that we know of, though she supports and defends JA's actions to kill others
• Jealousy -- ALV appears to be jealous of the strength of the prosecutions case
• Putting down friends and family -- Especially Travis's
• Destruction of Property -- Still need to examine the witness chair
• Self-Absorbed -- No question
• Sexual abuse -- Selective, as ALV only abuses Travis's reputation with sexual references, not Jodi's
• Change in victim's personality -- ALV's testiphoney causes Travis's family to grieve and become righteously indignant
• More generally violent -- ALV is attacking common sense

Terrorism/Stalking

• Monopolization of perception -- ALV grants JA a total monopoly of perception, Travis is allowed none
• Insidious psychological abuse -- ALV is attempting to brainwash and hoodwink jury
• Well-thought out threats to kill -- ALV defends JA's murderous actions
• Torturing pets -- ALV supports and defends Doggy Boy's abuser
• Extreme isolation -- ALV refuses to leave her make-believe, misandrous dungeon of her own making
• Generally more regular physical abuse, but may occur without physical -- My ears can take little more abuse from ALV
• Sexual humiliation and degradation -- ALV uses sexual language to humiliate and degrade only Travis, never the defendant

Measured by her own continuum, Alyce LaViolette has been weighed in the balance and is found wanting.

She is guilty of abusing, battering, and terroristically stalking the person and reputation of the late Travis Alexander and his family.

Vinnie Politan?

Where are you?

:goodpost:


Now on to what I would like to see on the next HLN After Dark

 

[Kattrca]

These are in my back yard... how much will you guys give me if I dress up as Snow White and sit in the audience?

Ironically she will not be speaking this weekend as they were inundated with furious calls. True story you can call, they have replaced her.:what:

 

[Hopeful One]

That's kind of abusive behavior isn't it. Withholding information to keep us in the relationship with them, hmmm, where's that continuum again?

Yes!! Get ALV on the case!