weekend break: discuss the latest here #123

[SusieD]

If Travis' family has no issues with #5 being there... why should anyone else?

I think she said what she did to non-confrontationally remove herself from the situation. It's not like she walked out on a platform and stood there waiting to be approached by the media, they followed her to her car.

umm, because we all don't think the same way?

I have no issue per se with her being there but do not think it's inaccurate to describe her presence as self-serving, attention-seeking behavior, which despite what TA's family thinks, I find really really distasteful in this circumstance.

We're all entitled to our own opinions. It's nice TA's family says they aren't bothered. That would be insult to injury. But it doesn't change my perceptions of this woman's actions.

 

[nanny1]

I was SHOCKED when her followers guffawed out LOUD when ALV said, "Mr. Martinez, are you angry at me?" How RUDE and insensitive and disrespectful and immature and all of the other words I can't think of right now.

This isn't a comedy show - it's a MURDER TRIAL!!!!!! If you're going to LAUGH in the courtroom, take your a$$ home.

Sorry but it made me REALLY angry.

I think it was planned for her to say something like that by her and the defense and it all backfired. JW remarks about let me ask you now if you have memory problem and do have feeling for Miss Arias...How ridiculous on the tax payers dime.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

With all the nic names for her, you had me thinking this...when I saw her she had highlights not as wild as I imagined. Funny what we conjure up in our minds! (i'm kind of liking this blue hair though)

 

[Angel Lady]

does anyone have a link to watch JM's cross of ALV?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Good Morning !





:seeya: Looking forward to Monday :great:

 

[Sleuth5]

First page

To avoid removal, I'll ask my question again. Is it even possible that an acquittal could take place when she's confessed to killing him?

Sure, if the jury bought her self-defense story. Not happening in this reality, IMO.

:cow:

 

[Donnareit]

BBM

I can tell you without hesitation that there is no way I would turn myself into the center of attention by showing up at the courtroom. No effing way.

So speak for yourself, but claiming you don't want to speak to the media (via the media) and showing up in the middle ring of the circus is by no means universal behavior.

Legal advisors? GMAB

I might show up if I thought it was a good way to take my power back from someone who was spreading lies about me. From the DT's reaction, that might be the case.

 

[Love Never Fails]

umm, because we all don't think the same way?

I have no issue per se with her being there but do not think it's inaccurate to describe her presence as self-serving, attention-seeking behavior, which despite what TA's family thinks, I find really really distasteful in this circumstance.

We're all entitled to our own opinions. It's nice TA's family says they aren't bothered. That would be insult to injury. But it doesn't change my perceptions of this woman's actions.

Well then why don't we all just string the woman up and hang her in public? My gosh, she served on this jury, she is emotionally invested and all she told that reporter is she would love to tell er story but had to talk to her attorney first. This is still a free country. <modsnip>

 

[SusieD]

What has been bothering me most about ALV's testimony is that it's all JA's word and she is talking about this all as if it is fact. No one but JA and TA were in that house and TA cannot tell his side of the story. Other statements ALV has said can be disproved. All of her testimonial statements should begin with "According to what JA has said". I hope the jury get's that. It's all JA's word and her word isn't worth a hill of beans. Therefore almost all of ALV's testimony isn't worth a hill of beans. It's all just a fairy tale and IMO ALV sounds like she is reading a fairytale as she is telling the jury this junk. JM is on point beginning with "Snow White".

You're right, and Juan gave us a peek of how he's tying all this together when he said something during the snow white questioning that ALV was able to make a determination of abuse based on a "fairy tale."

next he's going to prove she did the exact same thing with Jodi, made a determination of abuse based on a fairy tale.

go Juan!

 

[outofstatelawyer]

Forgive if someone has mentioned this before, but HLN obviously purchased that wedding video from Jodi's friend "Patti". Nancy Grace's interview with Patti didn't reveal a friend who believes Jodi is innocent. In fact, sounds like she only went to visit Jodi in jail once. I guess Patti decided to strike while the iron was hot and make some cash.

 

[thefragile7393]

umm, because we all don't think the same way?

I have no issue per se with her being there but do not think it's inaccurate to describe her presence as self-serving, attention-seeking behavior, which despite what TA's family thinks, I find really really distasteful in this circumstance.

We're all entitled to our own opinions. It's nice TA's family says they aren't bothered. That would be insult to injury. But it doesn't change my perceptions of this woman's actions.

Their opinion is what matters in the grand scheme of things....not mine or anyone else's. I think that is the point some here are trying to make is all.

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[Hopeful One]

I think it was planned for her to say something like that by her and the defense and it all backfired. JW remarks about let me ask you now if you have memory problem and do have feeling for Miss Arias...How ridiculous on the tax payers dime.

I thought the same thing. If she supposedly isn't watching the trial, then how did she know he would come at her so hard unless she was coached. There is no way it's a coincidence that both she and JA had the same reaction to him and tried sassing back.

(sassing back? I feel like I'm talking about a 3-yo. Oh well.)

 

[TXHoney]

Hm...

Aaron took her to see Bishop Layton on June 17, who "didn't judge" her. Does she admit to him that she and Travis were having sex??

 

[kaRN]

InSession was replaying ALV direct, regarding June 4.

What it seems ALV took away from that day...how horrible it must be for the defendant's genital area to be on blast in the worldwideweb.

ALV also stated the defendant wrote things in her journal she never thought anyone would see.

Well let's take a look at a few pages of the defendant's journal entries she never thought anyone would see, starting with June 10, 2008.













http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias2.pdf

All things considered it's strange she was having flashbacks to Disneyland after hearing about TA on 06/10. IMO these entries were written as part of an alibi and are meant to be read by others.

 

[Colt46]

Does anyone know what happened to Sandy Aria's twin sister? Last thing I read, she was sobbing in the courtroom...and never returned. Very strange.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I thought the same thing. If she supposedly isn't watching the trial, then how did she know he would come at her so hard unless she was coached. There is no way it's a coincidence that both she and JA had the same reaction to him and tried sassing back.

(sassing back? I feel like I'm talking about a 3-yo. Oh well.)

My guess and truly, just guessing and thinking out loud. ALV openly has communication with the Defense team about everything on the stand up to her testimony and they all know behind the scenes that she was watching as many witnesses do prior to being called to the stand.

If that was not a given, Mr Nurmi would not protest so vigorously to sequester the Jury yesterday. Paraphrasing he said something like its impossible for them not to see things.

Translate: my defense witnesses were instructed to watch every moment of this so they can further shape their testimony for our client. (i'm kidding.. but??)

Think of the huge temptation you would need to resist in a high profile trial televised no less, and you are being called as a Witness? I think the entire Justice system knows you might sneak a bit of peeking but that you can still testify honestly and truthfully.

 

[scorpio24]

And almost the same comeback when she challenged JM about his attitude. Easy to see Jodi was coached by ALV to stand up to JM. ALV was also refusing to answer JM's questions with a direct answer because she wanted to control the cross. She wanted to answer questions her way and twist her answers accordingly. I'm sure she feels JM is very abusive. lol

Such a GREAT observation! Within 5 minutes, I saw the exact same defiant, snarky attitude with ALV on cross that I saw with JA.

I thought yesterday's testimony from ALV was scary, actually. Calling TA the perpetrator, approaching his sister during a break, sparring with JM rather than just answering "yes" or "no." It all demonstrated an arrogance and egoism I had only seen in JA up to this point. But, worse than that, was the passive aggressive "Are you mad at me, Mr. Martinez?" condescending calm laced with sarcasm that she attempted to sell on the stand. It didn't come across well.

She thinks she is smarter than him and, frankly, she came across as almost narcissistic to me. Anybody who gets up on that stand to tell THIS whale of a tale spun from texts and emails and journals and JA's pathologically lying lips must have some kind of ego, IMO.

Many TH's and some on here didn't appreciate JM's explosive approach. I did. Not only is it his style, it's the only way he can pin down these witnesses on key points. His JOB is to discredit them and their findings. Frankly, we can speculate all day, but I don't think anybody knows exactly WHERE JM is going with the Snow White line of questioning. I like that, mainly because I'm sure the DT doesn't.

One of the key points he made, I thought, was that ALV needed the journals and exhibits in front of her to make her "case." He had to press her to remember key phrases and subject matter. Essentially, he took away her crib notes. And she didn't fare as well. He didn't have to use his patented "Do you have a memory problem?" question. He demonstrated it. (I think JW will pay for that snarky remark in a BIG way.)

I understand that ALV first signed on as the mitigation specialist. She spent 44 hours with JA. I wonder what kind of "coaching" she did on how to "handle" JM.

Somebody should have TOLD her it didn't work out well for JA. I see the same fate for her. :twocents:

 

[josie1986]

I thought the same thing. If she supposedly isn't watching the trial, then how did she know he would come at her so hard unless she was coached. There is no way it's a coincidence that both she and JA had the same reaction to him and tried sassing back.

(sassing back? I feel like I'm talking about a 3-yo. Oh well.)

shes been up against him before,this is what i heard.

it was in the pedo letter hearing and he tore her apart.

also heard that she was scared to testify no doubt because of this,im sure it was from one of her people in the gallery that said she was scared

 

[SusieD]

Well then why don't we all just string the woman up and hang her in public? My gosh, she served on this jury, she is emotionally invested and all she told that reporter is she would love to tell er story but had to talk to her attorney first. This is still a free country. <modsnip>

I have an opinion on her behavior. If you disagree, that's fine, and I'm sorry you can't see the irony in your statement about her talking to her lawyer.

 

[Sleuth5]

GM Everyone!:seeya:

I just finished watching Juan's cross again of ALV.

I found it riveting.

But what I did pick up on the second time around is he is stressing that Jodi was abused as a child (ACCORDING TO HER) yet ALV dismisses that history and only gives weight to Travis' childhood abuses which she thinks makes him an abuser.:furious:

In fact as I watched ALV spar with Juan it was like seeing a clone of JA all over again. The same defiance, arrogance and combativeness.

imo

ITA. The problem with Alyce is that she thinks it's fine to be condescending and dismissive so long as she is dealing with a man (at least from what I've seen here so far!) She is obviously attempting to control the dynamics of the cross examination by being obtuse and patronizing. I think she imagines that the jury sees her as an innocent "victim" of the prosecutor, which is a role I think she adopts whenever she feels a "power differential" with anyone -- but particularly a male.

I, on the other hand, think that the jury doesn't see her that way at all. I think they see someone who has been highly opinionated and clearly unwilling to acknowledge that her conclusions regarding "abuse" could obviously apply to the defendant in the case. Had she had the sense to at least gesture to JA's own abusive behaviors, they might hold her in higher esteem. At this point, I think they can see a pattern with these defense witnesses of evasive, confrontational responses to even the simplest question the prosecutor poses.

Ya know, sometimes a yes or no question is simply that. When you won't even answer something that straightforward, you can't expect people to take you seriously.

:cow: