weekend break: discuss the latest here #123

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I was SHOCKED when her followers guffawed out LOUD when ALV said, "Mr. Martinez, are you angry at me?" How RUDE and insensitive and disrespectful and immature and all of the other words I can't think of right now.

This isn't a comedy show - it's a MURDER TRIAL!!!!!! If you're going to LAUGH in the courtroom, take your a$$ home.

Sorry but it made me REALLY angry.

Honestly I cant believe that the judge didnt take a firmer stand. She should have banged her gavel and said that ANY OUTBURST in the gallery will result in immediate expulsion and that person(s) will no longer allowed back in...then she should have turned to the mitagating attorney and say she should know the appropriate courtroom decorum and her laughter will not be tolerated. After that she should have turned to the witness and told her to not ask any questions of the attorney that she is to ONLY listen to the question posed and answer that question -- anything else in the future and she will be held in contempt. IMO She really needs to take control of HER courtroom!
 
This was another of my highlights yesterday
[video=youtube;FU3zlhqVZqE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3zlhqVZqE[/video]

JW tries to object with relevance at 59:30, she gets overruled, Nurmi gives her advice on what to say next, then she says at 59:49 Relevance, foundation, speculation (throwing them all out there), that gets overruled so then at 100:10 she just asks to approach because the Judge can't or won't say no to that. It's :floorlaugh::banghead::what:
 
Does she write on #0397 that she is happy she 'ceased' the opportunity? Not 'seized'?

I read several. Can someone point me in the direction of all of them? TIA! :seeya:
 
She writes that she spoke with DF and he tells her she will need to take a trip out there and nothing more. She writes that she doesn't know what's going on. The then writes that she prays that there is a mistake and calls his phone. Hmmmm, if she doesn't know what's going on then please tell me what she is praying is a mistake?? This was IMO written after the fact!

BBM Super good point. I thought exactly the same thing. She's inadvertently telegraphing her intent -- which it so create an alibi via this fictiious "journal" narrative. She got ahead of herself and didn't realize how obvious that kind of discontinuity would be once people starting poring over these things.

:cow:
 
She got used to JW's "questions" which were stated as the answer, followed by the "right?" (the actual question part)

It was like a weird form of Jeopardy

So when asked an actual question, without being provided the answer, that's a stumper for ALV.

Which is why she quickly averts her eyes to Wilmott to determine whether her answer should be negative or affirmative. :what:
 
Exactly, the point - which she did for six straight days while she repeatedly assassinated the character of TA. I love the fact that the jury left for the week-end with the jaw-dropping words of ALV..."Travis was not the victim" - in the short amount of time left to JM, he knocked the ball out of the ballpark.

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BBM

Yes, she is exposed, and easily so.

She stated it quite clearly, explicitly, and, to my great surprise, enthusiastically and most eagerly.

Take a look again at the crime scene and especially those autopsy photos.

ALV really wants the jury to believe that TA had it coming -- every stab, every puncture, every slice, every laceration, every contusion, the gunshot wound, the gaping slashed throat and even every single defensive gash to his hands and arms.

ALV and JA need for the jury to believe, as they do, that Travis Alexander deserved ALL of this.

While JA is probably just barely human, her efforts on behalf of the lying torture murderess indicate that ALV is not very far from JA on the infamous aggression and abuse continuum, especially verbally.

Character assassination is what Alyce LaViolette has accused Travis Alexander of doing privately to JA. However, his alleged 'victim' is still alive.

Character assassination is what Alyce LaViolette has done, and very publicly, to Travis Alexander. Her victim is now dead.

Actual assassination is what Jodi Arias did to Travis Alexander. She horrifically slaughtered and butchered her victim and left him to rot. He is now dead and buried.

No, Alyce. Shame on you.

Not buying your lying...
 
Have the full interrogation tapes of the killer's parents been released - not just the snippets we've seen, but the full ones?
 
All things considered it's strange she was having flashbacks to Disneyland after hearing about TA on 06/10. IMO these entries were written as part of an alibi and are meant to be read by others.

I think of Jodi's diaries - that were most likely written while she has been incarcerated - as her manifesto. :moo:
 
Hello all, I am new to the Arias threads but an old-timer on Websleuths. Also have been following the trial from the beginning.

I am sure these questions have been asked and answered somewhere, so I apologize if I am being redundant. There are so many threads though, and I’m unsure where to look to even begin to find them.

Several questions/comments regarding the current witness (ALV):
All she has done, in my opinion, is describe Jodi Arias as a batterer, not a victim. Her ENTIRE TESTIMONY is based on what Jodi herself told her, so that blows anything she says right out the window for me. I believe she is a credible witness and is basing her opinion on what Jodi told her but…just like the other psychologist, how can you form a diagnosis based on a whole big fake story?
I can acquiesce that Travis and Jodi may have had a mutually dysfunctional relationship, but Jodi clearly was no victim! Why would JM go into this whole Snow White thing (I actually thought maybe I had fallen asleep on the couch and was dreaming)? I understand his point is to parallel one ‘mythical fairy tale’ with another (Jodi’s) but why all the questions about the dwarves, etc.? As I mentioned, I believe ALV is a credible witness and I have no doubt she never intended to actually prove Snow White was battered; it was just, as she said, a catchy title. You’re doing a seminar, you want people to come and pay to see it, so you need to draw them in with something. Why is he focusing on the whole Snow White angle and not simply taking ALVs own words and applying them to Jodi?

Re/Juror #5:
Why would she come back to court!? She stated that ‘the trial is more important than my removal as a juror’ (or something to that effect), but then she makes a spectacle of herself by coming to court! I understand that it’s completely within her right to do so, but if she didn’t want to make it all about ‘her’ why not watch the trial on TV like the rest of us? To me, that was a very selfish act on her part (wanted to stay connected to the trial, I guess) and is risking yet another motion for mistrial.

Re/Jodi’s parents:
Why didn’t the prosecution call them to the stand and have them explain all of their statements in the police interviews? They both clearly think their own daughter was unstable in some way.

Again, sorry if all of this has been addressed before!

I think you actually made the point Juan is going to, that ALV determined snow white was battered based on a fairy tale and the same is true for how she determined JA was battered, fairy tale.

I was watching the cross last evening and was cracking up at the dwarf part, wondering how many times the court reporter has ever typed the word "dwarf" before. I think JM was emphasizing the fairly tale aspect.

my comments on juror 5 are similar to yours.

Re the parents - I not a lawyer but the only thing I've seen in the interviews that would pertain to the trial is the statement about Jodi offering up that she had the receipts to prove she was never in AZ. (Anyone who watches enough Discovery ID knows that offering to show receipts before anyone asks for them is the road straight to "guilty")

She admitted to the murder so her parents thinking she did it doesn't really count at this point. I guess her parents could discuss that she was bat-shirt crazy, but I think everyone knows that. So while the tapes are interesting, I don't know what evidentiary value they have, except for the one thing that would go to premeditation. But a lawyer might have a better answer.
 
I'm surprised some don't see the clear irony in how Juror 5 puts out a statement saying to respect her privacy, yet does something very un-private like appear in the gallery a day or two after getting booted from the jury, knowing full well there will be camera's there to snap her picture. This is like Tiger Woods/Lindsey Vonn announcing their relationship on facebook, yet then saying 'respect our privacy'.
 
Honestly I cant believe that the judge didnt take a firmer stand. She should have banged her gavel and said that ANY OUTBURST in the gallery will result in immediate expulsion and that person(s) will no longer allowed back in...then she should have turned to the mitagating attorney and say she should know the appropriate courtroom decorum and her laughter will not be tolerated. After that she should have turned to the witness and told her to not ask any questions of the attorney that she is to ONLY listen to the question posed and answer that question -- anything else in the future and she will be held in contempt. IMO She really needs to take control of HER courtroom!
If JM ever tells the Judge the witness isn't answering the question, she jumps in but she seems to wait for a prompt from him.
 
I think the fact that we are even here talking about juror 5 right now instead of the case is a clear enough indicator that it's a distraction.

Plus, what on earth would she know that we don't? Not a thing. We have had access to far more information she has and are way more familiar with the case (not me personally, but some of our more experienced WSers, and of course our court observers). Miss 5 needs to go home.
 
I don't understand Tricolour. She first put out a statement and then attended court the next day. She knew it would cause a ruckus and it did. The cameras were on her far too much. I wanted to know what else was happening in the court. If she is after the money, she will probably want to interview sooner than later. Once deliberations start, the media will be after the jurors who were alternates, and certainly after judgement day, the media will be after the 12.

If she is going to speak sooner than later, I hope she stays away from the court now. I understand why she attended one day as a message to the DT but assuming she does an interview, she is going to get more and more questions from the media each time she comes.

Boy oh boy I'm glad you posted this before I did. I felt the exact same way but was afraid to post and get flogged by all the juror #5 fans.

That was my first thought when I saw her: "so much for not wanting the focus on her" - shortlived sentiments.

Listen, I have no problem with her showing up and giving Jodi the proverbial middle finger, but I DO have a real pet peeve with people whose actions contradict what they preached.

She sure did get a lot of love and attention from her short lived professed "down-low" letter, but evidently that didnt cut it for her.

I lost some respect for her yesterday. Had she not put out that statement I would have said U Go Girl - come on in and take a seat. But I have no love for attention addicts.
 
InSession was replaying ALV direct, regarding June 4.

What it seems ALV took away from that day...how horrible it must be for the defendant's genital area to be on blast in the worldwideweb.

ALV also stated the defendant wrote things in her journal she never thought anyone would see.

Well let's take a look at a few pages of the defendant's journal entries she never thought anyone would see, starting with June 10, 2008.













http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias2.pdf

Man oh man oh man oh man!!!! Please, God, have JM make ALV read those aloud from the stand next week!
 
Apparently she teaches courses in "how to swim with sharks" in a courtroom. I have to assume she feels that she's got this cross under complete control since she teaches about how to be an expert witness. Not sure she's ever come across a JM in her years of "expertise" on this matter. It's going to get interesting for sure.

MOO

Please note that there were no actual sharks in the room -- she just used that title because it was 'catchy'. JK :floorlaugh:
 
Ok I finally finished watching on you tube what happened when Juan FINALLY got out of his seat and all I can say is WOW!!!!

Work is getting in my way today!!!!!!!

bbm

yep it was stimulating. jw kept jumping up objecting and getting over ruled. i yelled sit down girl, sit DOWN. yes a train and it's rolling right over your witness. lol

p.s. to ta's family i hope you have a restful weekend.
 
But legally she CAN say anything about the trial if she cares to do it. There are no laws/rules preventing a dismissed juror from speaking out publicly. In fact I have seen other dismissed jurors speak to the media about the case and their feelings soon after being dismissed. They also told which way they were leaning in the case.

The Judge has no jurisdiction over a dismissed juror. They are as free to speak out as any other free citizen would be.

Even if she decides to defend herself I don't think she will talk about the case per se but how she felt she has done no wrong and shouldn't have been dismissed but respects the court's decision.

I think she will do that because she feels it is the right thing not to discuss the actual case and it has nothing to do with her not being free to speak about the case. It is a choice she has made imo. It shows she is a woman on integrity and character.

IMO

I agree. And Travis' own sister doesn't find anything wrong. I don't see anything wrong legally or morally. Simply crying mistrial cannot make it happen. It is based on Law!
 
Sorry for the earlier rant about the judge.

I feel in the last years that the tail is wagging the dog in our courtrooms.

Judges are so afraid that their verdicts are going to be overturned they go overboard in appeasing everyone in site.

I feel that was part of the CA trial and I see it going on here.

I just feel it is disrespectful to the court and the judicial process.
IMO
 
I agree with everything you said except the last bit I bolded. When testifying it is very important to ensure that you truly say what you mean. In day to day conversation it isn't as important and people fill in the blanks themselves or understand what you mean to say. But if you aren't perfectly clear in testimony, especially with Juan, it WILL come back to bite you. So while Juan WANTS a yes or no answer, sometimes a question cannot be Properly answered with a yes or no. For example, the "did you use this continuum to identify domestic violence in this case, yes or no." I understand why she did bot want to give in and wanted to give a proper answer to that.

At points she was totally rude and WAS just sparring for the sake of being difficult, but at times Juan does make it difficult to give an accurate answer.

I agree with the slippery slope that might ensue from answering a closed question that requires elaboration, but it would be easier to accept if you aren't trying to argue every yes or no question. That's simply obfuscation,no matter how you rationalize it. When Juan asks, "Isn't that one of your main tools," that is an obviously simple yes or no question. It does not commit you to saying "it is my main tool," but that is exactly how she tried to justify her unwillingness to answer. There's only one of two ways to see that. She either isn't listening to the question carefully, or she is intentionally being obtuse to avoid answering. The latter is most likely given her later responses.

Recall that at a certain point she mentions that she does "not know what he is trying to say," and other statements in a similar vein. This statement is not consistent with active listening. What she is obviously doing is attempting to stay ahead of the prosecutor and prepare her answers -- or her obstruction to those answers -- appropriately. Given the painful results, it is clear she does not think fast enough to be able to play that game with this particular person. In any event, that is not what she is there for. She should simply answer the questions to the best of her ability as the so-called "expert" she purports to be.

A professional would recognize that there may be alternatives to his or her conclusions. The fact that she is unwilling to acknowledge even the slightest possibility of her fallibility is telling and does not speak well for her.

Finally, even if a simple yes or no answer would be insufficient owing to a need for further elaboration, she could simply state that as she answered. We saw that several times with Dr. Samuels. He tried similar tactics with JM, but realized at some point that it was easier for him to simply say, "I would say yes, but I would need to elaborate." JM can either allow that or not depending. If it's of earth-shattering importance, it will be up to the defense to handle it on redirect.

I understand what you're saying about JM attempting to engineer people into a tight box with some of the questioning -- but he doesn't do it with every question. The problem, in my view, is that when witnesses like these are trying to guess his strategy rather than simply answering, they become constantly obfuscative and combative. If they would choose their battles more wisely -- such as in the instances you've highlighted here, where a closed answer would be inadequate -- the jury would view them much more favorably in my estimation.

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