weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[TartLemon]

So I'm wondering why tons of people haven't come out in support of LaViolette - people she has helped, who have worked with her, she has taught, etc.

I wish ALV supporters would come out in the press or social media instead of sitting in the courtroom making a mockery of the Prosecutor.

When I saw the behavior of ALV on the stand and the subsequent laughter and chatter from her supporters in the gallery, it was a flashback to the Manson Family court antics.

I'm not likening these people to the insane Manson crew by any means. It was just the memory I had tucked away somewhere in a dusty 'file' that pop out.

 

[KMouse]

Maybe so, but the prosecution has to prove that. Don't put it on ALV. I'm sure if that's the case, they can prove it. But, the Jury has to see what they have relating to that, not just us.

Abuse defenses rarely work, IMO, even when they are undoubtedly real, because people, in general, do not understand abuse, yet. This may be just a mitigating ploy by the defense, an effort to garner sympathy for JA.

And, an effort to explain why she might have had so much fear for her life to result in overkill.

I'm not saying it's working. And, I'm not saying that Travis wasn't the one abused, either. But, whichever way it goes, it has to be proven to the Jury. And, trying to denigrate ALV's work over a 40 year period is not the way to do it.

IMO

BBM

I do not agree with the bolded statement. I think that people, in general understand abuse. Perhaps not the way that ALV has tried to explain it and plugging information into her continuum. During a trial the experts are hired to explain these issues to the jury in laypersons terms. ALV's problem is that she just isn't believable and she is actually laughable.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Hey peeps, been off for a few days.

However, I was thinking perhaps Jodi put the camera in the washer in the hopes it would be discovered so Travis could be tarnished?

good thought but it also has her naked on it, and places her at the scene of a brutal murder?

Unless you mean, she thought the deleted photos can't be recovered? But then still naked of her and him? she is at the scene and caught?

 

[HaveNoLife]

She was still insisting she wasn't at the house June4. Not 100% but think she was asking wasn't it possible the nudes of her could've come from an earlier time & gotten somehow switched to his camera's card when ......something.

It made think she was confusing camera cards with thumb drives. Speaking of, I hope LE got a look at her flash drives as well
(At the time it reminded me of CA's confusing simm card malarky)

In Interrogation video JA made reference to her old camera in storage unit, saying it had pics of TA. I think it was next day's Interrogation when she started asking about that camera again referencing recent wedding pics and pics of her sister that her mom wanted to send to sister. Wonder just what was on that camera and if she wanted LE to see it for some reason.

 

[Donnareit]

Oh, Sydni, you have me laughing in sympathy. I have diagnosed myself with Trial Watchers Obsession Not Otherwise Specified. I know I have developed a mental problem over this trial because I have become secretive about my trial watching. Not one live person knows the extent of my problem- I am hiding it. If they knew that this trial is how I spend literally every spare moment...if they knew that I am skipping dental appointments and telling people I am sick on court days...

Worse yet, I am starting to feel like the WS posters here "understand" me better than my trial-indifferent relatives and friends. They understand why my own pretty pleasant life seems so unimportant compared to justice for Travis Alexander, someone I never met.

I realize I have made this trial personal by subconsciously bundling up all the injustices I dealt with in my divorces, my father's murder, my son's death, the malpractice at the hospital during that one birth, the midwife who didn't scrub, and possibly the unfair nun in eighth grade, etc... and wrapped that whole package up, tied in a bow labeled Nicole Simpson and Caylee Anthony.

I am doing some things to help myself be more balanced as this trial drags on and on with one impossible delay after another. I make myself get out and walk in beautiful nature to connect with all that is right with the world. The beautiful impossibly blue sky, the radiance of the green grass, spring blossoms coming out. I stop by the school and watch the beautiful children playing and how innocent and happy they are because they are living in the moment. They are PRESENT in that Buddhist way of experiencing the moment and when I remember to live in my own present, I feel happy.

Finally, I remind myself that there is great injustice and suffering going on in the world and that this is an unfortunate fact of life. Most of it I can do nothing about. But I can smile at strangers, post on websleuths, and chat it up with the lonely people in my apartment building.

When I come home, I feel better -- and run right to my laptop. Unlike drug addiction, this trial will end and when it does, I'll get my teeth cleaned, go back to the book I'm supposed to be writing and stop feeling like I have little in common with people who don't watch trials.....

:gthanks:
You said it perfectly.

 

[VALee]

Yes, since January I have been highly addicted as well. To the point where if i'm not here -WS, I feel lost.

I have gone for a couple of hikes, watching Spring blossom but still live and breathe this trial and justice for Travis.

However, since Juror #5 has been let go, I feel the dynamics of this trial have changed and the rhythm has changed to a different.

I can't explain it yet, just a weird vibe i'm getting.

Anyone else feel this way?

I understand the weird vibe, it's because we know justice is not perfect, nor is it easy, and I think it's natural to have waxing and waning feelings of confidence in this case, and it is largely because we do not know at what line this jury will consider reasonable doubt and beyond reasonable doubt.

All that said, JM is the best at this game. Had he shown all his plays too early, the DT would have had plenty of time to come up with 'alternate realities.' All we have been given so far is gas can returns and purchases. Best to let the DT put everything they have out there, annihilate what you can on cross, then lower the booms in rebuttal. Remember, we have at least, Tesoro, Walmart, a real PhD, and a forensic computer guru coming up very soon.

Not to mention what else happens to ALV in the upcoming days.

In this case, we have a confession, we have TA killed 3x over (gun shot, knife to throat, knife to heart), the use of 2 weapons, a staged crime scene, disposal of evidence, planning, lies on the stand, lies to LE, lies to everyone, and a pathetic fog plea. IMO, nothing to worry about on this one. This case is in great hands with JM.

 

[RR0004]

i've turned into a real cynic. I think mom was acting in the police interrogation and both mom and dad were planting seeds for an insanity defense.

You're not alone. Although, I did think we saw real emotion to some degree in the police videotape. Mom was expecting this day. There were words of denial peppered throughout the interview...such as, if she did what you say she did (paraphrasing), then....how could she do this, that, and the other. I'm still not believing the "I went over to see her the night before because I couldn't sleep" line. I think she was very much aware that Jodi was involved in Travis' death and that something was about to go down.

 

[popsicle]

<respectfully snipped>

So that's the reason that I can't sleep lately, my :butthead: is sore from sitting (hemorrhoids acting up :blushing, struggle to get basic chores done, didn't get my allergy shot this week like I should have, don't mind that it's still cold outside even though it's April, etc. I couldn't quite put my finger on what the ailment could be, but now I know

BBM

LOL Me too.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

For those of us who are hopelessly addicted to this trial, I'd like to propose this name for our group: Arias Addicts Anonymous.

 

[verbonica]

I know lots of chat abbrs. I even puzzled out some new ones here -- like TH and ITA, but I'm stumped by BBM?! A clue please...

 

[VALee]

Oh, Sydni, you have me laughing in sympathy. I have diagnosed myself with Trial Watchers Obsession Not Otherwise Specified. I know I have developed a mental problem over this trial because I have become secretive about my trial watching. Not one live person knows the extent of my problem- I am hiding it. If they knew that this trial is how I spend literally every spare moment...if they knew that I am skipping dental appointments and telling people I am sick on court days...

Worse yet, I am starting to feel like the WS posters here "understand" me better than my trial-indifferent relatives and friends. They understand why my own pretty pleasant life seems so unimportant compared to justice for Travis Alexander, someone I never met.

I realize I have made this trial personal by subconsciously bundling up all the injustices I dealt with in my divorces, my father's murder, my son's death, the malpractice at the hospital during that one birth, the midwife who didn't scrub, and possibly the unfair nun in eighth grade, etc... and wrapped that whole package up, tied in a bow labeled Nicole Simpson and Caylee Anthony.

I am doing some things to help myself be more balanced as this trial drags on and on with one impossible delay after another. I make myself get out and walk in beautiful nature to connect with all that is right with the world. The beautiful impossibly blue sky, the radiance of the green grass, spring blossoms coming out. I stop by the school and watch the beautiful children playing and how innocent and happy they are because they are living in the moment. They are PRESENT in that Buddhist way of experiencing the moment and when I remember to live in my own present, I feel happy.

Finally, I remind myself that there is great injustice and suffering going on in the world and that this is an unfortunate fact of life. Most of it I can do nothing about. But I can smile at strangers, post on websleuths, and chat it up with the lonely people in my apartment building.

When I come home, I feel better -- and run right to my laptop. Unlike drug addiction, this trial will end and when it does, I'll get my teeth cleaned, go back to the book I'm supposed to be writing and stop feeling like I have little in common with people who don't watch trials.....

I love you anagrammy :rocker:

 

[katydid23]

I think she revealed the sex tape to him and that's what prompted the string of messages from Travis. It was her last card, and IMO, she showed it to make him aware that SHE had control. I don't doubt that she was major-league pi$$ed off about not going to Cancun. I'm sure she was raging. She planned retribution...plain and simple, IMO. Then when Travis doesn't do what she wants, he pays the ultimate price.

I agree. I wonder if she threatened to play it for Mimi, and PPL bosses and maybe his Bishop. It had to be something really devastating for him to say the things he did about being so hurt and so betrayed by her. JMO

 

[rose222]

Yes, since January I have been highly addicted as well. To the point where if i'm not here -WS, I feel lost.

I have gone for a couple of hikes, watching Spring blossom but still live and breathe this trial and justice for Travis.

However, since Juror #5 has been let go, I feel the dynamics of this trial have changed and the rhythm has changed to a different beat.

I can't explain it yet, just a weird vibe i'm getting.

Anyone else feel this way?

I'm getting a vibe but a GOOD one! I don't think the juror did anything wrong but since that whole drama I have this incredible feeling that we're very close to justice. Hope I'm right!

 

[VALee]

I know lots of chat abbrs. I even puzzled out some new ones here -- like TH and ITA, but I'm stumped by BBM?! A clue please...

BBM=Bold By Me. Used to highlight something and add your comments too. For example, I just did it to your request for a clue...

 

[KandyKane]

Washers take time to fill up, she was fleeing the scene. Even if she stuck around waiing for the washer to fill up and the cycle to start to make sure she didn't hear a camera clunking ariund inside /), the idea is that it was tangled up in clothing. It wouldn't necessarily make any noise until it shook free or the spin cycle started. The woman could have put the laundry in, turned on the water, hit start, and bolted. I'm not sure why we're assuming she must have stuck around and not been in a complete frenzy trying to get everything sorted and get out before the room mates came home.

How could she not know the camera was in there when the camera was in the hall and the few items of clothing that were all that was part of that wash load were in the bedroom? She HAD to know that camera was part of the wash load just in gathering up the things to put in the washer. There were so few items in there with the camera she had to have seen it in the washer before dumping in the bleach and soap and starting the machine.

I don't think she was in a frenzy at all after the murder. She was meticulous and calculating in what she did... trying to clean the floor, washing off Travis's body she dragged back to the shower, washing herself either in the tub or one of the downstairs bathrooms, stripping the bed and washing all the linens, deleting all the photos from the camera one by one, gathering up the clothes he wore that day that could have her DNA on them and the camera that was in a separate place, putting them all in the wash and dumping in bleach with them (the wash load of linens hadn't been washed with bleach), gathering up the murder weapons and all her other stuff to leave the house, etc. And all that time she was playing Beat the Clock to get out of there before the roommate got home.

She put the camera in the washer on purpose... there was no other reason to delete the photos and wash it other than to make it look like an innocent camera that she would have meant to put back into its case but she ran out of time. She probably did end up leaving before that wash cycle with the camera was finished because of running out of time. But the camera was in a different place than the other items that were in that wash load, and there were so few items in that wash load she couldn't have missed seeing or feeling the camera.

There was no other reason to delete the photos one by one than the intent to leave the camera behind, and if she intended to leave it behind than it would need to be cleaned of blood and fingerprints and the memory card destroyed. She had less than half an hour to do everything she did to try to erase herself from the crime scene, clean up her own self and change clothes, and get out of the house before the roommate got home, and to use part of that time to delete all the photos means she didn't intend to bring it with her. His camera being the only thing missing from the house would have pointed the finger at her. Had she had a little more time she would have removed everything from that wash cycle, made up the bed with the clean bed linens and put the pristine camera back in its case.

In hindsight, it would have been smarter to take the camera and a few other items, trash up his room a bit and make it look like a break in, but she wasn't thinking along those lines. She was only trying to erase herself from the scene by getting rid of her fingerprints and DNA from the scene along with the incriminating evidence of her at the scene because of having taken the photos and clean up herself so she could leave and not be noticed as having blood on her or her clothes while driving out of the area. All that she did after killing Travis was meticulous and calculating but she ran out of time before she could get the camara out of the washer and back in its case. Had she had the time to do that it's doubtful that LE would have thought to examine the camera or even notice it at all as something significant.

 

[RR0004]

BBM

I do not agree with the bolded statement. I think that people, in general understand abuse. Perhaps not the way that ALV has tried to explain it and plugging information into her continuum. During a trial the experts are hired to explain these issues to the jury in laypersons terms. ALV's problem is that she just isn't believable and she is actually laughable.

...and you have to admit, that after hours and hours and hours (lol) of her testimony there was virtually no one listening to her.

PS- IMPO, I would imagine by the end the jury was left listless. The defense should have gauged her testimony better.

 

[VALee]

I agree. I wonder if she threatened to play it for Mimi, and PPL bosses and maybe his Bishop. It had to be something really devastating for him to say the things he did about being so hurt and so betrayed by her. JMO

He also called her a liar and a sociopath, doesn't seem he was far from the mark, and was provoked. What we don't know is what she said to him verbally that did not get texted, IM'd, or chatted. So we still do not have the correct context of what was going on late May. He did not want to talk with her anymore, he resorted to texting and said it was in response to her 'dire conversation,'

 

[RR0004]

I know lots of chat abbrs. I even puzzled out some new ones here -- like TH and ITA, but I'm stumped by BBM?! A clue please...

BBM- bolded by me.

 

[TXHoney]

I, for one, am really hoping for the "smoking gun", that "Perry Mason Moment", when Juan whips out the unaccounted for photos, or the info on JA's computer that she thought she had conveniently destroyed. I think I'm going to feel terribly let down if there isn't one.

This is my first trial watch. Is it always like this?

 

[gauntlet]

i've turned into a real cynic. I think mom was acting in the police interrogation and both mom and dad were planting seeds for an insanity defense.

I agree they both mentioned the mental health thing. She asked if JA flipped out and he mentioned JA seeing Travis on the couch with someone else. Obviously JAD didn't know JA wasn't with Travis then but I thnk they were also thinking about the crime of passion line. Also, they both mentioned the marijuana thing though we don't know all the details of what proceeded that.

Her dad was more believeable and had open body language. Her mum is more guarded, also sitting back with arms crossed a lot the time and I believe she knew more than she was letting on re JA's escape plans. JA talked to her mom much more than her dad so it doesn't make sense to me that JA's dad knew JA had quit her job and her mom didn't and that her dad knew JA was going away for three days but her mom didn't.