weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

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  • #661
I wish ALV supporters would come out in the press or social media instead of sitting in the courtroom making a mockery of the Prosecutor.

When I saw the behavior of ALV on the stand and the subsequent laughter and chatter from her supporters in the gallery, it was a flashback to the Manson Family court antics.

I'm not likening these people to the insane Manson crew by any means. It was just the memory I had tucked away somewhere in a dusty 'file' that pop out.

:facepalm:Your post brought back memories of the Manson trial. Yep, I was a very young crime groupie back then too. I can still remember the Manson followers crawling on all fours on the sidewalk on the way to the court house.
 
  • #662
For those of us who are hopelessly addicted to this trial, I'd like to propose this name for our group: Arias Addicts Anonymous. :D
But since AAA is already taken by some insurance company, or something, how about Juan Undeniable Addicts Notwithstanding?
:floorlaugh:
 
  • #663
How could she not know the camera was in there when the camera was in the hall and the few items of clothing that were all that was part of that wash load were in the bedroom? She HAD to know that camera was part of the wash load just in gathering up the things to put in the washer. There were so few items in there with the camera she had to have seen it in the washer before dumping in the bleach and soap and starting the machine.

I don't think she was in a frenzy at all after the murder. She was meticulous and calculating in what she did... trying to clean the floor, washing off Travis's body she dragged back to the shower, washing herself either in the tub or one of the downstairs bathrooms, stripping the bed and washing all the linens, deleting all the photos from the camera one by one, gathering up the clothes he wore that day that could have her DNA on them and the camera that was in a separate place, putting them all in the wash and dumping in bleach with them (the wash load of linens hadn't been washed with bleach), gathering up the murder weapons and all her other stuff to leave the house, etc. And all that time she was playing Beat the Clock to get out of there before the roommate got home.

She put the camera in the washer on purpose... there was no other reason to delete the photos and wash it other than to make it look like an innocent camera that she would have meant to put back into its case but she ran out of time. She probably did end up leaving before that wash cycle with the camera was finished because of running out of time. But the camera was in a different place than the other items that were in that wash load, and there were so few items in that wash load she couldn't have missed seeing or feeling the camera.

There was no other reason to delete the photos one by one than the intent to leave the camera behind, and if she intended to leave it behind than it would need to be cleaned of blood and fingerprints and the memory card destroyed. She had less than half an hour to do everything she did to try to erase herself from the crime scene, clean up her own self and change clothes, and get out of the house before the roommate got home, and to use part of that time to delete all the photos means she didn't intend to bring it with her. His camera being the only thing missing from the house would have pointed the finger at her. Had she had a little more time she would have removed everything from that wash cycle, made up the bed with the clean bed linens and put the pristine camera back in its case.

In hindsight, it would have been smarter to take the camera and a few other items, trash up his room a bit and make it look like a break in, but she wasn't thinking along those lines. She was only trying to erase herself from the scene by getting rid of her fingerprints and DNA from the scene along with the incriminating evidence of her at the scene because of having taken the photos and clean up herself so she could leave and not be noticed as having blood on her or her clothes while driving out of the area. All that she did after killing Travis was meticulous and calculating but she ran out of time before she could get the camara out of the washer and back in its case. Had she had the time to do that it's doubtful that LE would have thought to examine the camera or even notice it at all as something significant.

I agree with you KandyKane. Good post.
 
  • #664
I too have always believed that the reason we hear Travis saying the things he does is that he has been given a framework within which to operate. That is, Jodi made it clear to him what sort of things to say to "turn her on," and he is parroting them. You can tell by the robotic quality of his voice as he constructs "his" fantasies with her. I never believed that nonsense about her simply "going along with him." You're quite right that it had to be the other way around.

Now, I'm not saying the guy was an angel. You never know what people will or won't say when engaging in sexy talk. But there's no way you're going to convince me that this particular guy would have opened up a can of filthy sex talk with some woman unless he knew she wanted to hear what he was saying. The sex tape always stunk to high heaven to me. He did not know she was recording him. She set him up deliberately, and that included all sorts of coaching -- "Ooh, I like it when you talk about tying me up and forcing me," that kind of thing. I'm convinced.
:cow:

I felt the hinky meter rise when she asked him to repeat things, like the 12 year old virgin comment and others. Making sure it was all clear on the tape.
 
  • #665
I know lots of chat abbrs. I even puzzled out some new ones here -- like TH and ITA, but I'm stumped by BBM?! A clue please...

BlackBerry Messaging ? I think lol
ITA is I Totally Agree
TH = idk that one lol
 
  • #666
For those of us who are hopelessly addicted to this trial, I'd like to propose this name for our group: Arias Addicts Anonymous. :D

I'll second that. And if our cars break down, we can get free towing.
 
  • #667
I, for one, am really hoping for the "smoking gun", that "Perry Mason Moment", when Juan whips out the unaccounted for photos, or the info on JA's computer that she thought she had conveniently destroyed. I think I'm going to feel terribly let down if there isn't one.

This is my first trial watch. Is it always like this?

Don't expect a smoking gun. It's disappointing when there isn't one! There is plenty of evidence to send to death row. If there happens to be some unheard of bombshell then that will be nice but don't expect it. :)
 
  • #668
My recollection of the legal process in a self-defense case is that in AZ once self defense is asserted, burden then shifts to Prosecution to prove it WAS NOT self defense. With only JA's testimony and ALV's opinion based on b.s., JM has to completely discredit ALV. JA discredited herself.

I doubt JM will have much difficulty discrediting ALV's conclusions.

What ALV considered "character assassination" and thus Battering - TA calling JA worse than Hitler, evil, sociopath, concerned only about herself, and the worst thing that ever happened to him - will easily be seen by any juror with a room temperature IQ as TA simply describing JA. And apparently quite accurately. One doesn't even need to ask a HLN 'jury' to decide whether JA was the worst thing that ever happened to TA.

Remember, truth is an absolute defense to libel (written) or slander (spoken). Therefore, TA was arguably not guilty of character assassination. And therefore not guilty of the Battering ALV ascribes to him.

If the description fits, you can't acquit. :)

Now JM could ask ALV if JA reading such insults ALV considers "character assassination" could have pushed JA over the edge and caused her to immediately plot TA's murder. What could she say then? If she's honest she'd have to agree, wouldn't she? IF DT would let her answer without objecting to the question. :twocents:
 
  • #669
For those of us who are hopelessly addicted to this trial, I'd like to propose this name for our group: Arias Addicts Anonymous. :D

Hello, my name is TartLemon and I'm an Arias Addict. It started as an occasional glance at the TV or reading an article here or there on the internet.

Now, the moment I wake, I reach for the remote or turn on the internet to Websleuths.

......:banghead::floorlaugh::banghead:
 
  • #670
How could she not know the camera was in there when the camera was in the hall and the few items of clothing that were all that was part of that wash load were in the bedroom? She HAD to know that camera was part of the wash load just in gathering up the things to put in the washer. There were so few items in there with the camera she had to have seen it in the washer before dumping in the bleach and soap and starting the machine.

I don't think she was in a frenzy at all after the murder. She was meticulous and calculating in what she did... trying to clean the floor, washing off Travis's body she dragged back to the shower, washing herself either in the tub or one of the downstairs bathrooms, stripping the bed and washing all the linens, deleting all the photos from the camera one by one, gathering up the clothes he wore that day that could have her DNA on them and the camera that was in a separate place, putting them all in the wash and dumping in bleach with them (the wash load of linens hadn't been washed with bleach), gathering up the murder weapons and all her other stuff to leave the house, etc. And all that time she was playing Beat the Clock to get out of there before the roommate got home.

She put the camera in the washer on purpose... there was no other reason to delete the photos and wash it other than to make it look like an innocent camera that she would have meant to put back into its case but she ran out of time. She probably did end up leaving before that wash cycle with the camera was finished because of running out of time. But the camera was in a different place than the other items that were in that wash load, and there were so few items in that wash load she couldn't have missed seeing or feeling the camera.

There was no other reason to delete the photos one by one than the intent to leave the camera behind, and if she intended to leave it behind than it would need to be cleaned of blood and fingerprints and the memory card destroyed. She had less than half an hour to do everything she did to try to erase herself from the crime scene, clean up her own self and change clothes, and get out of the house before the roommate got home, and to use part of that time to delete all the photos means she didn't intend to bring it with her. His camera being the only thing missing from the house would have pointed the finger at her. Had she had a little more time she would have removed everything from that wash cycle, made up the bed with the clean bed linens and put the pristine camera back in its case.

In hindsight, it would have been smarter to take the camera and a few other items, trash up his room a bit and make it look like a break in, but she wasn't thinking along those lines. She was only trying to erase herself from the scene by getting rid of her fingerprints and DNA from the scene along with the incriminating evidence of her at the scene because of having taken the photos and clean up herself so she could leave and not be noticed as having blood on her or her clothes while driving out of the area. All that she did after killing Travis was meticulous and calculating but she ran out of time before she could get the camara out of the washer and back in its case. Had she had the time to do that it's doubtful that LE would have thought to examine the camera or even notice it at all as something significant.

The camera could be explained that she did/did not know she put in the washer, and unless JA ever says, we won't know what she was thinking. My thoughts on it, it's a Sony, it's lightweight. We know TA's clothes were taken off for him to get in the shower. The camera was in the hallway, thus the pictures and TA was in no position, after the pictures, to do anything with the camera. I think she picked it up from the hallway, set it on his clothes, as she was compiling a stack of things to wash, and the camera got caught in the mix. But irrespective of whether she knew/didn't know the camera was in the washer, karma kept the memory card intact for TA.
 
  • #671
I doubt her lawyers helped her but I'd be willing to bet her mitigation specialist back in the day did. Guess who that was?? ALV!

That's my theory. :twocents:
 
  • #672
BBM=Bold By Me. Used to highlight something and add your comments too. For example, I just did it to your request for a clue...

Gracias VaLee =D
 
  • #673
He also called her a liar and a sociopath, doesn't seem he was far from the mark, and was provoked. What we don't know is what she said to him verbally that did not get texted, IM'd, or chatted. So we still do not have the correct context of what was going on late May. He did not want to talk with her anymore, he resorted to texting and said it was in response to her 'dire conversation,'

I agree. It was very obvious to me that ALV had "cherry-picked" the messages to cast a negative light on Travis and completely skipped what Travis was responding to in his emotional response to Jodi. I think that ALV's deliberate manipulation of the evidence will come back and bite her in the azzzzz.
 
  • #674
I feel it too. There's a tenseness now. More than ever, people are talking about it, aware of it. Everyone is edgy.
Because the roller coaster has just about chugged its way to the top. Edge is where that fun down-hill run starts.
:rollercoaster:
Wheeeeee - eeeee!
 
  • #675
TH = talking heads

As in those people on the HLN shows, that talk and have heads ;)
 
  • #676
For those of us who are hopelessly addicted to this trial, I'd like to propose this name for our group: Arias Addicts Anonymous. :D

However...we will need to trademark our new acronym in order to prevent the inevitable creative permutations thereof -- particularly given some of the proclivities of the object of our obsession. Just sayin'.
 
  • #677
I know lots of chat abbrs. I even puzzled out some new ones here -- like TH and ITA, but I'm stumped by BBM?! A clue please...

Bold by me.:seeya:
 
  • #678
Has anyone of you noticed that Jodi was mirroring ALV's combative mode of responding to Juan's cross examination. It was obvious to me that ALV had spent a lot of time coaching and preparing Jodi for Juan's examination.
 
  • #679
This is what I was talking about... the camera was still on after court ended. I don't know who the ladies were but they seemed to know Alyce. Maybe someone else knows who they are?

http://youtu.be/fQmeOdmvUMA?t=25s

I hope Katie see this...she might know who these women were....
 
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