weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[StephanieHartPI]

So please reconsider my "mule" theory:seeya:

AND she has been into drugs since she was in middle school. Not just a puff of a pot cigarette, she was growing!

In 8th grade Jodi was growing her own marijuana crop on the roof of her house. If she was growing it, she was smoking it and who knows what else.

I am not a drug user (ok, don't show me a diet pill, I can't be trusted) but as far as drugs in general, you don't grow pot to smoke that all yourself do you? I would think you grow to sell. Even selling $25 here and there to friends. Whatever it costs. The small towns she was in would lead me to believe "drugs" the dish washers at work (god love em') I just mean her group of buddies she would have a lot of resources.

We haven't heard much about drugs and alcohol. I can't believe she was a big drug addict etc, Travis was very anti drug anti drinking, so she would never survive living at his house if she had a big problem

 

[scorpio24]

Here's a link to JA's journal entry "written" on May 22. Contains some info related to the missing cell phone and its recordings. I read my hubby the first few lines and he said "Oh, she went back and wrote that after the murder. I don't need to hear anymore."

I wasn't sure if this had been posted. I had not seen it. If this is not the proper place to post this link, please, mods, remove and forgive. Thanks!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias1.pdf

 

[sourgrapes]

Or, as usual, the hints of truth weave into her lies. Travis deleted them?

I think if Travis deleted ANY of the photos, they would be the ones from earlier in the day. The two of him on the bed and all of JA's "bits and pieces". I think he may have taken the camera away from her, after he woke up and saw what she was doing: taking photos of him, lying on the bed with KY bottle carefully displayed in the scene. Evidence (IMO) is the second nude photo where it appears he grabbed the bottle of ky and tossed it; it looks like he woke up and was like, "wth? Are you flipping kidding me? Give me that camera."

He then saw what she was up to, while he was napping: taking her own "self-portraits" and was half-disgusted! He then deleted all the photos, before packing the camera back up in the camera bag and placing it in his office.

Later, JA went into his office and grabbed the camera bag. She took the camera back out of the bag and threw the bag to the side, on her way up the stairs (camera bag in the common area outside of Travis's room).

LE said there were photos they weren't able to recover. I'm thinking these may have been from the earlier "photo-shoot" and some were written over with the new shower photos.

I also think she threw the camera into the wash as an after-thought. I believe she had gloves on when she was shooting the "shower-scene" and was't worried about her prints on the camera, until she cut her finger. Then, she was in a hurry and just threw it on top of the blood-soiled load and poured bleach on top of it all, before starting the wash cycle. She quickly changed in the downstairs bathroom and dumped her own soiled clothes into the trash-bag she had stashed, and ran out through the utility area and out the back (or, out through the garage side door).

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I wonder if JA would loan me money. My daughter totalled her second car and is now asking me for a Mercedes, even if it's older, like a 2004. yeah. Right.

Tell her she gets this now! Well.. it is a Mercedes!

 

[DebinGA]

If we did some kind of thorough background check on her, it might reveal she did not put money down on the house, the boyfriend did (and he may have purchased it no money down) that stands to reason why they lost the house, with no money down, the payment was quite high and then ended up in the middle of the upside down mortgage thing like many did..

Car? no money down again and she lost the Infinity. The bank took it back.

JM asked Jodi several times about whether she attended the Monday night gathering of her singles ward, and she claimed she had to work. I'd love for JM in rebuttal to prove she not only didn't work Monday, but that her phone records indicate she was watching outside/tracking Travis at his Monday ward meeting, i.e. Travis leaves for the meeting [ring*ring], he leaves the meeting [ring*ring', he arrives at the after-meeting gathering place [ring*ring], he shows attention to one girl in particular [ring*ring*ring*ring*ring*ring*ring], he arrives home [ring*ring].

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Of course, claiming that Travis saying "feel the wrath" meant physical violence, rather than words, is proof of his being physically abusive is assuming the very thing which it supposedly proves.

Then again, in Alyceland verbal abuse excuses a good knifing-by-girl, so all bases are covered.

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BBM......Alyceland is a very scary place IMO, and it's quite ridiculous.

 

[Zuri]

AND she has been into drugs since she was in middle school. Not just a puff of a pot cigarette, she was growing!

In 8th grade Jodi was growing her own marijuana crop on the roof of her house. If she was growing it, she was smoking it and who knows what else.

I am not a drug user (ok, don't show me a diet pill, I can't be trusted) but as far as drugs in general, you don't grow pot to smoke that all yourself do you? I would think you grow to sell. Even selling $25 here and there to friends. Whatever it costs. The small towns she was in would lead me to believe "drugs" the dish washers at work (god love em') I just mean her group of buddies she would have a lot of resources.

We haven't heard much about drugs and alcohol. I can't believe she was a big drug addict etc, Travis was very anti drug anti drinking, so she would never survive living at his house if she had a big problem

That is why the "mule" theory makes sense to me and my conspiratorial mind. I think she muled some things for some people that may or may not have been mentioned during this trial. :what:

 

[kayice]

Your note made me think of something. My kids borrow money from me. A lot of times I can't get it back so I let them clean my house in lieu of paying me. That way at least I get something. I wonder if that was the situation with Travis?

I think Travis could clean his own house waaayy better than Jodi, look at his closet! But, being a nice, co-dependent (and he was, like a lot of us)...he probably thought I'll let her work some of the loaned money off. Heck, Jodi probably suggested it, what better way to snoop. (Funny that Jodi didn't allow her folks in her place cause they would snoop. Takes one to know one. I've found that secretive people are some of the worst snoopers, just don't ask them anything.) Travis, being a guy and late to the sex thing....well. "housecleaning"...code. Wonder if Jodi did a little cleaning for MM and DP on her little trip to Mesa? We know she borrowed money from Paul Stern, where did she get the rest of her deposits?
I still think the "Ninjas" taking money from her jeans' pocket....was Jodi stealing money from Travis for the trip home.

 

[G&AMom]

This is like watching the smoking in MadMen. The arc of time has turned and it is no longer considered sophisticated or "in" to be killing yourself and bystanders with a nicotine addiction.

When I was raising children, they climbed all over inside the car. If you tied them up with a safety harness, like I did, you were considered a freak, like an extremist prepper hoping for a disaster.

Likewise, the ship has sailed on a man threatening to punch a woman with a closed fist being seen as funny.

I love Jackie Gleason and have fond memories of "The Honeymooners," but displaying acceptance of domestic violence via humor is unacceptable today.

LOL!! A few years ago I watched the final episode of The Fugitive (with David Janssen) and I was shocked at the amount of smoking that went on. Every single person smoked, including the kids and the pets. And it wasn't all that long ago, either. How times change.

 

[thefragile7393]

I respectfully disagree.


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Dunno.....i re-asked my boss and she said that psychopathy is pretty much a layman's term and is a catchall for many things. Antisocial Personality Disorder is the term many psychiatrists will use for a diagnosis of one who could be considered a psychopath.

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[Nezumi]

Her putting a down payment on a $249,000.00 house on a salary of maybe $1500 per month is nearly impossible. Her work money would pay her car payment maybe, and some living. It's virtually impossible at that age she would put together a years salary and put it down on a home

But remember, during this time period 80/10/10 liar loans (i.e., nothing out if pocket until the first mortgage payment was due) were anyone's for the asking.

 

[LambChop]

Falsity has presented zero evidence, outside her own statement, that she held a reasonable fear Travis was about to use unlawful or deadly force against her in the immediate moment. Since she was in his dwelling, there is no presumption favoring her as there would have been in her own home. She has raised the specter of physical disparity in allusions to his fitness, his past wrestling, and four stories about his violence toward her in 2007 & 2008. All of these "justifications" are without record, even in her writings, except what has come from her own mouth. How facile that mouth at filling a crock! But her team continues to dip into it. For that reason, it will be very important to keep demolishing her output, past and present.

The biggest crock is if Travis really wanted to kill her (according to Jodi) he had a knife and a gun three steps in either direction from where he was standing at the shower. When Jodi was running down the hall it was she who doubled back and went for the gun (she claims). It was Travis' house. If his intent was to kill her and he said so why wouldn't he have gone for the gun, or the knife?

 

[Sleuth5]

The journals are an outlet for her alternate reality, she does no wrong in that universe. Every journal entry we have heard, and even what JM pushed ALV for, there is nothing 'that bad' so said ALV in testimony Thurs. IMO, JA grew into what she became, it started way before TA, he just caught the fully 'blossomed' version.

I will say this, and will take all back-lash anyone wants to give, but JA has something mental going on, she fits several DSM-IV (I have a copy of DSM-IV and some intel in this) categories, I can't begin to narrow down to a diagnosis without a full eval, which it does not appear anyone has done so far, though RS tried but fitted his diagnosis to the DT as he was paid to do and will pay for that for years, he violated ethics on many levels in this case, the patient's treatment and well-being, beyond keeping her out of a murder one charge, was not on his radar.

Given where her mind is and what she did, she is guilty, that is my position. Fire away

Fire away about what, Valee? Just because we can all agree that she doesn't meet the legal definition of insanity doesn't mean she doesnt have an awful lot of flags for personality disorders. Pretty much impossible to ignore the narcissism, borderline, ASPD generally here. I think you're not likely to have too much of a fight on your hands.

:cow:

 

[DebinGA]

Here's a link to JA's journal entry "written" on May 22. Contains some info related to the missing cell phone and its recordings. I read my hubby the first few lines and he said "Oh, she went back and wrote that after the murder. I don't need to hear anymore."

I wasn't sure if this had been posted. I had not seen it. If this is not the proper place to post this link, please, mods, remove and forgive. Thanks!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias1.pdf

Your hubby is right. That reads as false as her "funfun" post-murder call to Travis when she turned her phone back on in NV.

 

[marlap]

I think Travis could clean his own house waaayy better than Jodi, look at his closet! But, being a nice, co-dependent (and he was, like a lot of us)...he probably thought I'll let her work some of the loaned money off. Heck, Jodi probably suggested it, what better way to snoop. (Funny that Jodi didn't allow her folks in her place cause they would snoop. Takes one to know one. I've found that secretive people are some of the worst snoopers, just don't ask them anything.) Travis, being a guy and late to the sex thing....well. "housecleaning"...code. Wonder if Jodi did a little cleaning for MM and DP on her little trip to Mesa? We know she borrowed money from Paul Stern, where did she get the rest of her deposits?
I still think the "Ninjas" taking money from her jeans' pocket....was Jodi stealing money from Travis for the trip home.

Brilliant theory....what better way to snoop indeed!

 

[Zuri]

Tell her she gets this now! Well.. it is a Mercedes!

This is priceless! I find it fascinating that young people like Travis and my daughter really like nice clothes, cars, things. I do too, but unlike my daughter, instant gratification is not an option. This is what I usually get: Mom lease:

 

[verbonica]

ITA!! I was talking to my husband about that. I said that if my neurologist was called to the stand in my trial, he would answer questions with absolutely NO emotions--he would answer each question dispassionately and objectively. He would give his medical opinion regarding my migraines.

The fact that ALV reacted as if she was being personally attacked or challenged on every question JM posed. She was combative and unhelpful--the exact opposite of how she was as a defense witness. She also kept looking to the defense as if for help.

I'm praying that she changes her attitude on Monday. I hope she takes this more seriously and asks her friends in the gallery to refrain from outbursts.

Liebchenmutti,

My brother was a well-respected neurologist and he was called to testify in court a few times. I can't recall the specific cases, but I would imagine that he would have been a prosecution expert witness. Anyway, he was quite insulted and angry at the way he was treated by the hostile opposing attorneys upon cross examination. His well-educated medical/scientific testimony was being dissed by non-medically trained lawyers. I'm sure that he kept his composure fairly well, but I'll bet that his bristling and umbrage were evident. He may have even fired off a zinger or two at them. Doctors have feelings too; and medicine is not always an exact science.

 

[katydid23]

This is strictly my opinion so don't tar and feather me, but I think the statistics are skewed. I know of at least three men I can think of immediately that have been physically abused and never reported it. They seem to think they would be perceived as wimps if they can't take a few punches from a woman.
My brother died of antifreeze poisoning and although we suspected his wife did it, it was never proven how he was poisoned. His wife had a previous husband who had been shot in the back and that case was never solved.

If I know of that many situations never reported or attributed to women vs men it is logical to follow other people know some that aren't reflected in the statistics as well.

I totally agree with you. My BIL's ex-wife was very abusive, emotionally and physically. Whenever I tried to tell my DH and BIL that he was being abused by her, they downplayed it and minimized it. He never hit her back, but she used to slap him, shove him, even tripped him once at the top of the stairs, and he is lucky he didn't break his neck. But he would never really complain because he didn't want to be seen as a loser or a weakling. If HE had done any of those things he would have been in jail.

My son has a good friend who is being abused by his gf, imo. I interacted with them at a wedding reception and once at a Christmas party. She pulls him aside and berates him very abusively and she smacks him and makes fun of him in a mean spirited way in front of people. She has called him a 'loser' twice in front of me, when in fact he is a very motivated young man with a good job and great ethics. I feel sorry for him but he does not want to broach the subject. :cry:

 

[Sleuth5]

Aww Anagrammy, I didn't mean for it to come out as I was making fun of people who have been abused. I found the little snippet of the vid they linked amusing is all. I DO NOT condone it, it was not meant to offend. I will refrain from commenting any longer. My sincere apologies.

I don't see any need for an apology. The Honeymooners is classic comedy and hilarious. Anyone who tries to argue that it is making light of domestic violence is simply reading it out of cultural context. Maybe people did want to giggle about "smacking the wife around" in the 50's, but I don't really think there's much danger in allowing us to watch the show today without worry that we will adopt violent attitudes toward women in response.

:cow:

 

[LambChop]

I think Travis could clean his own house waaayy better than Jodi, look at his closet! But, being a nice, co-dependent (and he was, like a lot of us)...he probably thought I'll let her work some of the loaned money off. Heck, Jodi probably suggested it, what better way to snoop. (Funny that Jodi didn't allow her folks in her place cause they would snoop. Takes one to know one. I've found that secretive people are some of the worst snoopers, just don't ask them anything.) Travis, being a guy and late to the sex thing....well. "housecleaning"...code. Wonder if Jodi did a little cleaning for MM and DP on her little trip to Mesa? We know she borrowed money from Paul Stern, where did she get the rest of her deposits?
I still think the "Ninjas" taking money from her jeans' pocket....was Jodi stealing money from Travis for the trip home.

If you add up all the gas receipts, car rental, food and expenses (salon, Walmart, etc.), she would have had almost no money left in her account for Travis to cash that check.