weekend break: discuss the latest here #125

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A few things that I noticed when reading the past couple of threads that are incorrect.

1. Jodi NEVER lived with Travis at all, she may have stayed over on occasion but she never LIVED there. Jodi is the only one stating that she did and well, she lies.

2. Jodi left every single one of her boyfriends that we know about other than Travis. Jodi got tired of Bobby and moved on, Jodi got tired of the one in Costa Rica or had to move back home and moved on, Jodi got tired of Matt and moved on, Jodi got tired of Daryl and moved on, Travis got tired of Jodi and moved on. Jodi lost control of Travis and decided that she was going to take that control back, so she did by killing him, IMO.

3. Jodi either has an uncanny way of making her exs do things for her after she dumps them and moves on. She either does this by way of "favors" or by having something on them. We know she was no stranger to blackmail since we have heard the "sex tape" she made of herself and Travis. I firmly believe that Daryl covered for/helped Jodi due to her having a certain piece of blackmail on him (the penis pic that was attributed to Travis.......compare nailbeds and fingers with Daryl). I also firmly believe that Matt covered for/helped Jodi due to her having some blackmail on him as well that we do not yet know about.

4. Matt was NOT in Mesa, AZ the day that Travis was killed, did not help in away to kill Travis and did not in any way help to clean up the crime scene. Jodi would have never gone with the self defense claim if she had Matt to use a scapegoat. Matt would never admit that he would lie for Jodi to the States investigators if he had been there and/or involved. Matt is simply another pawn that Jodi was trying to use in order for her to get away with murder.

5. If one looks at the progression of the shower photos one can tell that the shower door was in fact closed for the majority of them. One can also tell when Travis was aware that Jodi was there taking his photos.

Now, having said all of that and I know no one has asked me, but here is my opinion of what happened that day:

Jodi arrives at Travis home at 3 am on 6/4/08 while he is asleep in his bed. She sneaks into his house and snoops, not only in the house but on his computer as well. She has made plans to meet with Ryan B in Utah between 12 and 1 pm on 6/4/08. Jodi's plan was to shoot Travis while he slept and then move on to Utah making herself only a few mins late for her expected arrival time. For whatever reason Jodi decided to not shoot Travis while he slept, perhaps the roomate being home suprised her and she didnt want to get caught. Instead Jodi waits til the roomate leaves the house and then re-enters the home. She used the check of car payments as her ruse. At some point she leaves and Travis goes to take a shower. Jodi sneaks back in and takes the photos without his knowledge. He then sees her and slumps to the floor of the shower in despair and disgust because he just cant seem to get rid of this psycho. The last photo of Travis in the showe, the one that shows his body but not his head, is when she reaches in to plunge the knife in his chest. She also takes the accidental photo of the shower ceiling while stabbing him while he is in the shower. She thinks that will kill him quickly but it doesnt. He pushes past her and goes to the sink to get a towel left there to try and stop the bleeding. When that doesnt work he crawls to the bedroom to try and get help. During the sink and the crawling times is when Jodi stabs him in the back and the back of the head. She reaches him at the end of the hallway and slashes his throat. She turns him around to bring him back to the bathroom and kicks the camera taking the second accidental photo. She stops at the linen closet door across from the shower and shoots him in the head. As she is moving him from there to the shower she kicks the camera again taking the third accidental photo. She shoves him into the shower cleaning him and herself off. She cleans up what she can making sure to leave no blood anywhere else. She turns off the shower, closes the shower door, gathers all of the things she needs to get rid of and leaves the bedroom, closing and locking the bedroom door. She leaves the house and goes about her life as if nothing had happened.

Now, I realize that I did not mention the bed/naked photos. That's because I do not believe they happened on that day. I believe that if they did happen on that day it was not consentual and that Travis did not know at the time that Jodi was there or that was taking those two photos of him. I also do not believe that he took those photos of Jodi that day. I also do not believe that they had any kind of sex that day at all.

All of the above is MOO and what my memory is about the case.
 
TexMex what is that in your avatar? I don't want to get in trouble but I have to know,,,,lol
 
Imagine if it took your Dr. 44 hours of solid contact with you to assess something?? Her methods are sorely lacking if that's the case. 'It's the standard rate Mr. Martinez' :banghead:

It didn't take me 44 hours to realize this defendant is GUILTY beyond ANY reasonable doubt.

All that was needed were 1) photographs - of Travis in the shower, what the camera inadvertently took and the crime scene afterward. 2) the blood/DNA evidence JA left behind, 3) grandparents' .25 gun stolen and 4) her attempts to cover up her trip with her receipts and absence of any in AZ.

MOO
 
I agree with you 100%.....JMO but JW is worse than KN in my book. Both perpetuate the stigma of 'defense attorneys'. They both IMO play as dirty as possible, I know more than a few DA's who really believe in the law...they believe every one deserves the best defense possible. But they also have scruples and morals and would not hesitate to not take a case, or quit, if they felt the person was lying. Or if they can see being in a position, by taking a case, that their personal moral standards would be compromised by doing so. I will reference Mark Nejame. He represented the Anthony's because he felt they needed representation considering all the media attention they brought upon themselves. But the moment he was put in a position of his morals being compromised he quit. He went on to represent Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch pro bono because he believe in Tim and Equusearch and what they stood for. Both JW and KN seem to be willing to trash anyone and anything to win the case. I wonder how they sleep at night. I wonder IF they have children, what they are showing their children about morals and truth. I hope Travis' memory and what they have tried to do to him haunt them for the rest of their lives.

I understand that everyone should have a lawyer, but I just don't understand how a person can defend another person if they think they are guilty. It seems so wrong to me and makes me sad and mad. Please tell me what's to defend if they are guilty??????:banghead:
 
With all the smoke and mirrors that the DT is spewing, I just had a crystal clear question pop into my head to settle it all (as if I had any question, which I don't and never did)....I think the men on the jury as well as the women might wonder about this too...
If there is a NAKED man chasing you and wants to kill you....why not just kick him hard in his exposed nether regions.... that would have stopped any further pursuit. The men on the jury might know how it feels to get even accidently smacked there, and the women I'm sure might think of that as a first line of defense to at least slow the attacker down....
All she had to do was let him have it ...there.....
She is such an evil liar..... It is so simple, no matter what maelstrom the DT creates.
 
Call block and de-friending on FB and Myspace would have worked to. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around looking for my abusers gun as opposed to running far away and fast from the evil abusive naked man who owned a gun.

I agree. But we haven't seen the text messages between the texts TA sent her the day she moved back to Yreka telling him not to contact him again and his flirty texts to her less than 2 weeks later, when he texts her to say he's in a club and realizes she's one of the prettiest women on the planet, and another where he asks her to send him a naughty photo, have we? They must have smoothed things over since he felt like texting her. Perhaps a forerunner of his welcoming her into his home on June 4 despite his 16-page rant (and more) May 25-26.

Regardless of what texts and/or phone calls came in between, nobody was forcing him to text her, and in fact he planned to visit her in Yreka before going to Cancun. That's in his own voice. He brings it up, she doesn't. He says, "I'm really looking forward to our little forest" "adventure," she helpfully supplies. "So you're coming here before Cancun?" (as if she didn't know). "YEAHH!," he says with rising inflection. "That's, that's my plan."

He must have liked her enough that he voluntarily kept her in his life despite everything that transpired previously. Didn't Lisa say she and TA broke up twice but got back together a third time?

TA's former roommate Dustiin Sumner told CNN he and TA used to share a bedroom wall, and he never heard TA and JA argue or fight. He recalls when Jodi stopped over with a U-Haul before moving back to California, and that Travis gave her his old BMW, and didn't even seen very upset when she ruined it by putting it in gear. TA was probably too nice a guy for his own good.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1303/11/ddhln.01.html
 
BBM

How many people who do not even live in the same city with the abuser would continue to return to them for this to occur time and time again as she claims?

Once would be enough for most. They would not seek out the abuser.

Her story is unbelievable.

MOO
Of course it's unbelievable! Battered women are usually in a domestic situation- married to the aggressor, living together, have children, etc.- and can't find a way to leave the man in their lives. They feel stuck with no way out. Jodi was already a thousand miles away 'out' but continued to stalk Travis. In no way is this Domestic Violence. It was a rage killing because Jodi knew she would never have him. Plain and simple.
 
Just wanted to add, a good stun to the frontal lobe could produce the same effects on his mobility. Loss of muscle control is one of the most common frontal lobe TBI symptoms, affecting both voluntary and involuntary muscle movements. This may cause the affected person to have great difficulty performing ordinary tasks such as walking, holding a spoon, or maintaining balance.

One of the most disturbing things she said in her ninja story that really has me scratching my head is: "Travis was screaming, not like a girl, but he was screaming" What a very odd thing to say, and what meaning does it have? Why did she feel the need to say that? Was it because he was disoriented and she recalls he sounded like a girl screaming? Just the opposite of "he WASN'T screaming like a girl"? Little truths mixed in and twisted by her?

That's just one of those attempts to make her lie seem real, imo. It may be true or not - we'll never know.
 
I see what you guys mean by legs not being crossed. Only 1 leg is crossed over his left thigh. Bear in mind, those shower stalls are not exactly wide.

Nevertheless, he is crouched down in a position that I don't believe is voluntary. moo


BBM
I don't know why people keep saying/thinking that, his legs were NOT crossed.

You can clearly see his right foot w/heel is flat against the shower floor.
 
Perhaps of interest, the blogspot Falsity composed on May 10 was all about her wanderlust & search for fulfillment. She had a throbbing, pulsing desire to experience all the beauties of nature. And she named them. Later that same day she recorded the notorious sex tape, still pulsing and throbbing. Putting the blog and the tape side by side, she's disconcerting to say the least.

If the prosecution makes the case for her leaving home on June 3, armed with the burglarised 25 automatic and the intent to travel to Travis's home and kill him, a long apron of premeditation is proven. With that established, her self-defense claim falls. You cannot enter the home of a man found slaughtered and assert that you were only fending him off, if all along and for more than a day, you planned to kill him. Especially if the 25 automatic was one of the weapons used to lethally attack him. I'm wondering what evidence of forethought to murder other sleuths find most compelling. For me it is the gun: the staged "burglary" & her theft of the 25. That just bellows out louder than Falsity singing Unholy Night.
 
Really, 44 hours is like one work week. You really do not get an in depth idea of someone.

My guess is that's all she needed since she knew what her report would say even before speaking with Jodi. The face to face was a formality.

BBM and ITA!

Honestly, when you are interviewing a pathological liar, you could interview her for 44,000 hours and you would not get to the truth.

I also read at kristinarandle.com's website, on the analysis of AL's testimony, in the comments someone said that 44 hours is A LOT of time to spend, an unnecessary amount of time to interview the defendant. And if you think about it, 44 hours equals a year and a half of 1 hour, once a week sessions. I'm sure therapists feel after 18 mos of once a week sessions, they KNOW their client fairly well....
 
A few things that I noticed when reading the past couple of threads that are incorrect.

1. Jodi NEVER lived with Travis at all, she may have stayed over on occasion but she never LIVED there. Jodi is the only one stating that she did and well, she lies.

2. Jodi left every single one of her boyfriends that we know about other than Travis. Jodi got tired of Bobby and moved on, Jodi got tired of the one in Costa Rica or had to move back home and moved on, Jodi got tired of Matt and moved on, Jodi got tired of Daryl and moved on, Travis got tired of Jodi and moved on. Jodi lost control of Travis and decided that she was going to take that control back, so she did by killing him, IMO.

3. Jodi either has an uncanny way of making her exs do things for her after she dumps them and moves on. She either does this by way of "favors" or by having something on them. We know she was no stranger to blackmail since we have heard the "sex tape" she made of herself and Travis. I firmly believe that Daryl covered for/helped Jodi due to her having a certain piece of blackmail on him (the penis pic that was attributed to Travis.......compare nailbeds and fingers with Daryl). I also firmly believe that Matt covered for/helped Jodi due to her having some blackmail on him as well that we do not yet know about.

4. Matt was NOT in Mesa, AZ the day that Travis was killed, did not help in away to kill Travis and did not in any way help to clean up the crime scene. Jodi would have never gone with the self defense claim if she had Matt to use a scapegoat. Matt would never admit that he would lie for Jodi to the States investigators if he had been there and/or involved. Matt is simply another pawn that Jodi was trying to use in order for her to get away with murder.

5. If one looks at the progression of the shower photos one can tell that the shower door was in fact closed for the majority of them. One can also tell when Travis was aware that Jodi was there taking his photos.

Now, having said all of that and I know no one has asked me, but here is my opinion of what happened that day:

Jodi arrives at Travis home at 3 am on 6/4/08 while he is asleep in his bed. She sneaks into his house and snoops, not only in the house but on his computer as well. She has made plans to meet with Ryan B in Utah between 12 and 1 pm on 6/4/08. Jodi's plan was to shoot Travis while he slept and then move on to Utah making herself only a few mins late for her expected arrival time. For whatever reason Jodi decided to not shoot Travis while he slept, perhaps the roomate being home suprised her and she didnt want to get caught. Instead Jodi waits til the roomate leaves the house and then re-enters the home. She used the check of car payments as her ruse. At some point she leaves and Travis goes to take a shower. Jodi sneaks back in and takes the photos without his knowledge. He then sees her and slumps to the floor of the shower in despair and disgust because he just cant seem to get rid of this psycho. The last photo of Travis in the showe, the one that shows his body but not his head, is when she reaches in to plunge the knife in his chest. She also takes the accidental photo of the shower ceiling while stabbing him while he is in the shower. She thinks that will kill him quickly but it doesnt. He pushes past her and goes to the sink to get a towel left there to try and stop the bleeding. When that doesnt work he crawls to the bedroom to try and get help. During the sink and the crawling times is when Jodi stabs him in the back and the back of the head. She reaches him at the end of the hallway and slashes his throat. She turns him around to bring him back to the bathroom and kicks the camera taking the second accidental photo. She stops at the linen closet door across from the shower and shoots him in the head. As she is moving him from there to the shower she kicks the camera again taking the third accidental photo. She shoves him into the shower cleaning him and herself off. She cleans up what she can making sure to leave no blood anywhere else. She turns off the shower, closes the shower door, gathers all of the things she needs to get rid of and leaves the bedroom, closing and locking the bedroom door. She leaves the house and goes about her life as if nothing had happened.

Now, I realize that I did not mention the bed/naked photos. That's because I do not believe they happened on that day. I believe that if they did happen on that day it was not consentual and that Travis did not know at the time that Jodi was there or that was taking those two photos of him. I also do not believe that he took those photos of Jodi that day. I also do not believe that they had any kind of sex that day at all.

All of the above is MOO and what my memory is about the case.

Great post! I like your sequence of events, though I think that she forced him at weapon-point (either knife or gun) to the floor of the shower stall.

I'm on the fence on the sex that day. I just don't know. But I do think he did not know she was taking pictures of him until the last few when it is clear that he does, arguing for a surprise in the bathroom.

:cow:
 
I see what you guys mean by legs not being crossed. Only 1 leg is crossed over his left thigh. Bear in mind, those shower stalls are not exactly wide.

Nevertheless, he is crouched down in a position that I don't believe is voluntary. moo

I'm not sure what you are talking about, you can't even see his left leg in the last photo taken before the ceiling photo.
 
TexMex what is that in your avatar? I don't want to get in trouble but I have to know,,,,lol


It's a chicken fried steak from a place called LuLus in SanAntonio.
We usually go there every February while in town for the Stock Show.

They also have cinnamon rolls that weigh 3# each

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If anyone has the link to the journals and wants to throw it up here really quick I can start a topical thread.:seeya:

I have been looking all over for them. I would love a topical thread:great::fence::rocker:
 
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