weekend break: discuss the latest here #125

[TigerBalm]

Perhaps of interest, the blogspot Falsity composed on May 10 was all about her wanderlust & search for fulfillment. She had a throbbing, pulsing desire to experience all the beauties of nature. And she named them. Later that same day she recorded the notorious sex tape, still pulsing and throbbing. Putting the blog and the tape side by side, she's disconcerting to say the least.

If the prosecution makes the case for her leaving home on June 3, armed with the burglarised 25 automatic and the intent to travel to Travis's home and kill him, a long apron of premeditation is proven. With that established, her self-defense claim falls. You cannot enter the home of a man found slaughtered and assert that you were only fending him off, if all along and for more than a day, you planned to kill him. Especially if the 25 automatic was one of the weapons used to lethally attack him. I'm wondering what evidence of forethought to murder other sleuths find most compelling. For me it is the gun: the staged "burglary" & her theft of the 25. That just bellows out louder than Falsity singing Unholy Night.

Just so nobody is confused, she left on June 2, 2008, not the third.

 

[Sleuth5]

Perhaps of interest, the blogspot Falsity composed on May 10 was all about her wanderlust & search for fulfillment. She had a throbbing, pulsing desire to experience all the beauties of nature. And she named them. Later that same day she recorded the notorious sex tape, still pulsing and throbbing. Putting the blog and the tape side by side, she's disconcerting to say the least.

If the prosecution makes the case for her leaving home on June 3, armed with the burglarised 25 automatic and the intent to travel to Travis's home and kill him, a long apron of premeditation is proven. With that established, her self-defense claim falls. You cannot enter the home of a man found slaughtered and assert that you were only fending him off, if all along and for more than a day, you planned to kill him. Especially if the 25 automatic was one of the weapons used to lethally attack him. I'm wondering what evidence of forethought to murder other sleuths find most compelling. For me it is the gun: the staged "burglary" & her theft of the 25. That just bellows out louder than Falsity singing Unholy Night.

Lyrical as always, Tuba. For my part, the car rental and all things related to the trip itself are the most compelling, though the gun is certainly alluring. Nobody goes to a different town to rent a car -- just too many "coincidentally" premeditated actions involved in that trip. :cow:

 

[pip]

Perhaps of interest, the blogspot Falsity composed on May 10 was all about her wanderlust & search for fulfillment. She had a throbbing, pulsing desire to experience all the beauties of nature. And she named them. Later that same day she recorded the notorious sex tape, still pulsing and throbbing. Putting the blog and the tape side by side, she's disconcerting to say the least.

If the prosecution makes the case for her leaving home on June 3, armed with the burglarised 25 automatic and the intent to travel to Travis's home and kill him, a long apron of premeditation is proven. With that established, her self-defense claim falls. You cannot enter the home of a man found slaughtered and assert that you were only fending him off, if all along and for more than a day, you planned to kill him. Especially if the 25 automatic was one of the weapons used to lethally attack him. I'm wondering what evidence of forethought to murder other sleuths find most compelling. For me it is the gun: the staged "burglary" & her theft of the 25. That just bellows out louder than Falsity singing Unholy Night.

At the point she comes up with the 2 Ninja's did it story, she was well aware they had all the evidence at the scene and per autopsy they needed. I believe she told the true sequence of events that took place (but of course by 2 Ninjas, not her).. It would make the most sense to try to match up the sequence to the evidence she believes they already have to determine that. So she says..a loud pop (gunshot), he is on his hands and knees holding his right head, and of course she is not sure if the stabbing has started yet, she flees. She does not want to be there for the bloody knife massacre that ensues after the shooting. She would definitely try to match the sequence she that assumes they have figured out already in order to make her witnessing of the ninja story more credible.

 

[bobloblaw]

Is this for real? Love the spelling.:floorlaugh:

 

[SunnyinMO]

I think the person that wrote that is on Jodi's side. When I read it earlier today there were only 2 post. Just a feeling even though it was written well.

?????? are you saying I am on Jodi's side?????

 

[Sleuth5]

By the way, Tigerbalm, looks like you were vindicated with the Dr. Phil thing, few posts up the feed there's a message saying that Arias' dad says he was contacted by his producer and refused an interview.

 

[Anbud]

With all the smoke and mirrors that the DT is spewing, I just had a crystal clear question pop into my head to settle it all (as if I had any question, which I don't and never did)....I think the men on the jury as well as the women might wonder about this too...
If there is a NAKED man chasing you and wants to kill you....why not just kick him hard in his exposed nether regions.... that would have stopped any further pursuit. The men on the jury might know how it feels to get even accidently smacked there, and the women I'm sure might think of that as a first line of defense to at least slow the attacker down....
All she had to do was let him have it ...there.....
She is such an evil liar..... It is so simple, no matter what maelstrom the DT creates.

you're so right . thats the first thing girls are told, if a male attacks you try and kick him between the legs ,it will hurt them so bad they will let you go .

 

[The Farm]

?????? are you saying I am on Jodi's side?????

NO Sunny, the person that wrote what you are referring to.

 

[Lorelilly]

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In fairness, we have no evidence that the DT has engaged in helping the defendant "spin her tale." I, for one, am completely convinced that this nonsensical defense is purely the product of the defendant. She simply passed her "defense strategy" on to this team of public defenders, who are now doing the very best they can to work with a purely farcical strategy. Unless I see solid evidence to the contrary, I am unwilling to brand the DT as unethical. Nor can I imagine them to be truly so stupid as to believe that the "self-defense" fantasy coupled with abused and battered women's syndrome was a good idea. I remain convinced this is the product of Arias' fevered imagination, as witnessed by the what I believe to be fraudulent and self-serving "journal" entries which she completed long before this defense team came into the picture. She's stuck with her silly plan, and now she's stuck Nurmi and Wilmott with it as well.

Now, as to the question of whether or not they are using every bit of their legal skill to make that nonsense work, I say yes, they are doing that every day. It's their job. I don't have any difficulty recognizing that that is not going to make them many friends, particularly here in a victim-friendly forum. But it doesn't make them unethical. And as sleuthers, we have an obligation to demand proof before we suggest that they are crossing that line.

Always just my opinion.

:cow:

I agree 100%. Defense Attorney's by nature are disliked. They represent the dregs of our society. We have to admit our justice system works, most of the time. The defense attorney's are hogtied by their own client. I can bet she's filled them so full of lies they don't know up from down. The fact they are putting JA and his family through hell again I hate. But its the nature of the beast. . Although Nurmi frustrates me to no end and Willmott makes me want to pull my hair out, I'm thankful no matter who it is, in the end, we all get our day in court.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Was out searching on the web for info on Victoria Washington and came across this link featuring David Lohr...Nice court document included, and the video as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/10/jodi-arias-death-penalty_n_1269216.html

Thanks for this interesting article. I agree, David Lohr is an excellent reporter, and in case anyone doesn't know, he is responsible for pushing the Riverside Court to clear Travis' name from the prior 'conviction' record.

Someone inquired when or if more videos and other information would be made public; the answer was that it depends on who is willing to navigate the red tape and go through the trouble to get it and publish it. David is one who takes the time and trouble.

 

[YESorNO]

Check out this video on YouTube:
Discussing the case hes hilarious
http://youtu.be/4sTqKkSV76k

Jury question

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/vNXmjiQHl4w

Katie, did you check out his other videos? He made me pee my pants- he's too funny and sooooooooooo true.:floorlaugh:

 

[Tuba]

Martinez is suspicious about the return trip to Pacific Grove to drop off the remote control. It is a considerable distance and took considerable time. When you are trying to get on the road to your destinations? Really not sensible when she could have mailed it or brought it after she got back into CA. He thinks something else was accomplished or attempted in that detour. Her account has never seemed factual, not in the least.

 

[SunnyinMO]

I understand that everyone should have a lawyer, but I just don't understand how a person can defend another person if they think they are guilty. It seems so wrong to me and makes me sad and mad. Please tell me what's to defend if they are guilty??????:banghead:

I have asked myself and some attorney's that a bazillion times. A friend sent me this one time and I kept it...referring to it often.

Fourth Amendment--freedom from 'unreasonable' search and seizure. No search without a warrant issued based on probable cause. Evidence illegally gathered is not admissible in the trial.

Fifth Amendment--no trial without a legitimate indictment by a grand jury. No double jeopardy (can't be tried twice for the same offense). A person can't be required to testify against himself. And no punishment without due process.

Sixth Amendment--Everyone accused of a crime is entitled to a speedy, public trial (i.e. can't be held indefinitely awaiting trial, and trials are open to the public, not secret). The trial must be in his own city or neighborhood where he is known. A defendant is entitled to know the charges against him, to confront and cross-examine his accuser and the witnesses against him. He's entitled to a lawyer to help him defend himself. He may -compel- witnesses to testify on his behalf. And his guilt is to be decided by a jury of his peers.

Seventh Amendment--In a civil trial, any matter exceeding $20 must be decided by a jury. ($20 must have been a lot of money in those days!)

Eighth Amendment--No excessive bail. No cruel and unusual punishment. (But Supreme Courts have said punishment that is either cruel OR unusual, that's okay. 8^) ).

These are the BASIC rights guaranteed to every person in the US by federal law. You may have more rights granted and protected by individual states.

 

[The Farm]

I understand that everyone should have a lawyer, but I just don't understand how a person can defend another person if they think they are guilty. It seems so wrong to me and makes me sad and mad. Please tell me what's to defend if they are guilty??????:banghead:

Because it is their constitutional right.

 

[SwampMama]

To me this is such a clear cut case. Jodi killed Travis and it was overkill, a slaughter nd there is NOTHING that would excuse or justify it. I'm tried of the BS about he "cheated" on her or called her names or refused to give her credit for editing something he wrote.

We have all had relationships where we were done wrong, cheated on, disrespected, or even much worse and we managed to quit the relationship and put a stop to it. No guns or knives where necessary.

I will be so glad when she locked away and her "fame" and all of the thousands of hours of attention on her are long gone. What an incredible waste of time, money and effort is being wasted on a case where it isn't even a question of who did it, no chance of it being an accident.

 

[SunnyinMO]

NO Sunny, the person that wrote what you are referring to.

Whew, wiping my brow. :facepalm:

 

[ksmith75]

A few things that I noticed when reading the past couple of threads that are incorrect.

1. Jodi NEVER lived with Travis at all, she may have stayed over on occasion but she never LIVED there. Jodi is the only one stating that she did and well, she lies.

2. Jodi left every single one of her boyfriends that we know about other than Travis. Jodi got tired of Bobby and moved on, Jodi got tired of the one in Costa Rica or had to move back home and moved on, Jodi got tired of Matt and moved on, Jodi got tired of Daryl and moved on, Travis got tired of Jodi and moved on. Jodi lost control of Travis and decided that she was going to take that control back, so she did by killing him, IMO.

3. Jodi either has an uncanny way of making her exs do things for her after she dumps them and moves on. She either does this by way of "favors" or by having something on them. We know she was no stranger to blackmail since we have heard the "sex tape" she made of herself and Travis. I firmly believe that Daryl covered for/helped Jodi due to her having a certain piece of blackmail on him (the penis pic that was attributed to Travis.......compare nailbeds and fingers with Daryl). I also firmly believe that Matt covered for/helped Jodi due to her having some blackmail on him as well that we do not yet know about.

4. Matt was NOT in Mesa, AZ the day that Travis was killed, did not help in away to kill Travis and did not in any way help to clean up the crime scene. Jodi would have never gone with the self defense claim if she had Matt to use a scapegoat. Matt would never admit that he would lie for Jodi to the States investigators if he had been there and/or involved. Matt is simply another pawn that Jodi was trying to use in order for her to get away with murder.

5. If one looks at the progression of the shower photos one can tell that the shower door was in fact closed for the majority of them. One can also tell when Travis was aware that Jodi was there taking his photos.

Now, having said all of that and I know no one has asked me, but here is my opinion of what happened that day:

Jodi arrives at Travis home at 3 am on 6/4/08 while he is asleep in his bed. She sneaks into his house and snoops, not only in the house but on his computer as well. She has made plans to meet with Ryan B in Utah between 12 and 1 pm on 6/4/08. Jodi's plan was to shoot Travis while he slept and then move on to Utah making herself only a few mins late for her expected arrival time. For whatever reason Jodi decided to not shoot Travis while he slept, perhaps the roomate being home suprised her and she didnt want to get caught. Instead Jodi waits til the roomate leaves the house and then re-enters the home. She used the check of car payments as her ruse. At some point she leaves and Travis goes to take a shower. Jodi sneaks back in and takes the photos without his knowledge. He then sees her and slumps to the floor of the shower in despair and disgust because he just cant seem to get rid of this psycho. The last photo of Travis in the showe, the one that shows his body but not his head, is when she reaches in to plunge the knife in his chest. She also takes the accidental photo of the shower ceiling while stabbing him while he is in the shower. She thinks that will kill him quickly but it doesnt. He pushes past her and goes to the sink to get a towel left there to try and stop the bleeding. When that doesnt work he crawls to the bedroom to try and get help. During the sink and the crawling times is when Jodi stabs him in the back and the back of the head. She reaches him at the end of the hallway and slashes his throat. She turns him around to bring him back to the bathroom and kicks the camera taking the second accidental photo. She stops at the linen closet door across from the shower and shoots him in the head. As she is moving him from there to the shower she kicks the camera again taking the third accidental photo. She shoves him into the shower cleaning him and herself off. She cleans up what she can making sure to leave no blood anywhere else. She turns off the shower, closes the shower door, gathers all of the things she needs to get rid of and leaves the bedroom, closing and locking the bedroom door. She leaves the house and goes about her life as if nothing had happened.

Now, I realize that I did not mention the bed/naked photos. That's because I do not believe they happened on that day. I believe that if they did happen on that day it was not consentual and that Travis did not know at the time that Jodi was there or that was taking those two photos of him. I also do not believe that he took those photos of Jodi that day. I also do not believe that they had any kind of sex that day at all.

All of the above is MOO and what my memory is about the case.

I totally agree with your reasoning! :twocents:

 

[jellybeanz]

To object during closing has some narrow guidelines.. mostly the attorney starts to spout off about things not in evidence

Here is Juan objecting right at the end of a defence attorney's closing

:floorlaugh: 'Objection. It's pandering to say God bless you'

http://youtu.be/jaFGq6bVtyg?t=6m

 

[Mare10]

The "gloves" keeping going around in my mind. JA first stated to DF while she was describing the Ninja's that they were wearing "gloves". On another interview while DF was asking her to please tell the truth, while she is telling DF that she would have had to shoot TA as not to kill him in a humane way, she also says &#8216;But I would have to wear gloves. For whatever reason, this is a sticking point for me. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[Sleuth5]

NO Sunny, the person that wrote what you are referring to.

Why not be specific? To which post are we referring?