weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #154

[SyraKelly]

ITA with everything you wrote here.

If there is anyone there who doesn't believe this is murder one after the stalking, the gas cans, the cell phone turned off, the car rental from Redding, the hair dying, the upside down license plate, the theft of the gun w/ the caliber matching the bullet taken from TA's head, the 29 stab wounds, the near decapitation, the shot to the head, the change of weapons, the defendant's hand print in a mixture of her blood and the blood of TA, the hair stuck in blood, the efforts to clean the crime scene, the photos she deleted from the camera that was thrown in the washer, the removal of the weapons from the scene, hooking up with RB after the murder....

Sending a dead man an email, a text, a phone call, sending TA's grandmother 20 irises, lying to the police and a 1000 other things, if after ALL that, a juror doesn't get it? Nothing will help.

If there is actually someone in that group who could be that unintelligent, oblivious and COMPLETELY void of ANY measure of common sense, there is no recourse on earth to obtain justice for anyone. Ever.

:rocker:

 

[raisincharlie]

The ring Travis displays in the photo is a PPL ring. A CTR ring is an LDS thing. Choose the right.
Choose the right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you Arishia ! Appreciate the info.

 

[deedee21]

I've wondered if she has a "special" place where she has hidden any number of things.. not a storage unit.. someplace else.

Its probably in a bag with the gun, knife, bloody socks, clothes, and 4 floor mats she took out of the rental car, at the botyom of a lake.

 

[zoozoo]

I was part of a Twitter convo yesterday with Chris Hughes and others. I was remembering when he testified during an early misconduct trial and was cut off on a comment re something Nurmi had done/said to his wife. has summarized some of the comments from Chris yesterday .. makes for an interesting read and explains a lot. Just look her up on Twitter

Can you give more information about how to locate this twitter conversation please? I looked up on twitter but couldn't find anything related to this case. Thank you!

 

[Boodles]

She had owned a car, though, and the registration could still be in her wallet along with all the other forgotten stuff, like we all do (or at least I do!).

But you reminded me of one of the rather odd things JA said to Det. Flores during his interrogation of her:

Jodi: They got my driver’s license. It has a P.O. Box on it. And they got my registration from my purse, which was the purse I was using at the time, which has my parent’s address on it.

I still can't figure out why she said that part I bolded above. What other purse would she have had with her but the one she was using at the time? Maybe to explain why her registration wasn't in the purse she had when they arrested her? I find it a constant struggle to figure out why she says what she says.

I agree. Don't know if you follow Peter Hyatt and statement analysis. I wish he would have spent more time reviewing the defendant's testimony and interrogation videos.

 

[Nezumi]

That's my belief. She had bigger things to worry about. I don't understand why she bothered doing laundry in the first place. Instead of doing a wash, I would have focused on getting my palm print off the wall and getting clumps of my hair from the floor. Not that I'd murder anyone but ...

I think the one unadulterated truth she's ever told about the murder is that she had no memory of putting the camera in the washer. Literally, she didn't remember doing it because it was tossed in by accident. When she said she didn't know why she would do that, I think that was true. She's probably asked herself a thousand times, "How in h$ll could I have done that?"

I think the camera was entangled in the bedding she pulled off to drag Travis to the bathroom. She picked up the bundle, took it to the washer and started tossing things in indiscriminately. She missed the camera during both washes.

The camera was a part of the wash by accident. I'm sure she wasted precious minutes looking for the camera because she wanted to take it with her. She was already taking the gun, knife, cash from Travis and Lord knows what else.

I don't understand the reasoning why she focused on one thing and not another while getting out of the house except her fog was actually serious panic.

Remember though - Detective Flores confirmed that the memory card from the camera had been wiped clean. The images were recovered and enhanced by the crime lab. Looking back at the interrogation video, I think she was genuinely shocked when Det. Flores told her he had photos of her there...on that day. She really thought she had deleted all the photos so I'm not sure she was all that worried about the camera.

 

[GoAskAllie]

I have thought about this ring since Dr. DeMarte brought it up. I did not follow this case until it came to trial so the ring thing made no sense to me. However, I recalled reading something about a ring. In Detective Flores' report there is a summary of an interview with Enrique (roomate to Travis) who mentioned that Travis' CTR ring and watch were located on a counter in the kitchen. He noticed those items because he indicated he never saw Travis go anywhere without them. This caught my attention because I felt as though that was a bizarre place for a fella to leave his ring and watch unless perhaps they were either cleaning or cooking. I do not know what a CTR ring is, and while HLN wants to say it was an engagement ring, they also show a picture of Travis with an arrow pointing to a ring on his right hand. That ring is certainly not an engagement ring. But I am still puzzling over this ring thing.

Excellent post and I'm so glad you made it because I found the whole "engagement ring" story very confusing. Frankly it didn't add up. However, I let my fingers do the walking to Google, and it turns out that a ring with the letters "CTR" on it is often worn by members of the LDS Church as a reminder of the "Choose the Right" motto, and as a symbol of their religious affiliation. This "ring" story makes a lot more sense. I can see Travis being VERY ANGRY and UPSET if he learned that it was Jodi who stole his CTR ring. He probably tore his hair out looking for his ring and she could have fed the drama. Maybe she took it when she stayed at his place before the move back to Yreka. Who knows.

One of the many unanswered questions of the case for me is why Travis agreed to let her come to his home after everything that was said in the May 26 text exchange. However if Jodi admitted that she took it, apologized and "offered" to return it to him on her way to Utah, then I can see why he'd agree to see her before his trip to Cancun.

 

[G&AMom]

You are soooo right. Once saw a psych for depression who had MANY years' experience.. he suggested that I (and I do NOT mean to offend anyone here) should pray more and get closer to God, offered a book I could buy to read. Never went back...

Oy. I have way too much experience with doctors (for medical issues, not mental health issues) and I have long since reconciled myself to the fact that, although they hate to admit it, there's a lot they don't know. And then you run into ones like this . . . .

 

[leebee52]

Its probably in a bag with the gun, knife, bloody socks, clothes, and 4 floor mats she took out of the rental car, at the botyom of a lake.

I can imagine her having a special "memorial box" that she's hidden somewhere in her lala land world.

 

[yuzu-lemon]

I do not know what a CTR ring is, and while HLN wants to say it was an engagement ring, they also show a picture of Travis with an arrow pointing to a ring on his right hand. That ring is certainly not an engagement ring. But I am still puzzling over this ring thing.

I have been wanting to bring this up. I do NOT believe it was an engagement ring at all. It was the CTR ring. I am an exmormon, and I used to wear one in my faithful days. They come in various metals and styles, but overall they are pretty cheap. Mine was like 17 bucks! CTR is an acronym for "Choose the Right (way)." It's Mormon jargon, and there is a popular LDS hymn called "Choose the Right." Most young LDS wear a CTR ring to remind them to remember to keep their baptismal commandments. They usually ditch the ring once they are married. I always found it strange that Travis would wear it considering he was....(I hope I don't get a lot of backlash)...screwing Jodi. That's the sin next to murder in Mormon doctrine. I figured he wore it to keep up his virginal appearances (again, not knocking him at all!). I guess what I want to say is....CTR rings are inexpensive novelty jewelry for Mormons. The media just wants to sensationalize it by saying it was an engagement ring. :violin:

 

[GoAskAllie]

The ring Travis displays in the photo is a PPL ring. A CTR ring is an LDS thing. Choose the right.
Choose the right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BINGO. I replied to raisincharlie's post with my theory on the relevance of the CTR ring to this case.

 

[SCSam]

Can you give more information about how to locate this twitter conversation please? I looked up on twitter but couldn't find anything related to this case. Thank you!

OK.. let me try again. When I posted before the twitter name disappeared. Not sure if it was a glitch or TOS thing:

@stark(3923)
@cshughes

 

[TexMex]

I agree. Don't know if you follow Peter Hyatt and statement analysis. I wish he would have spent more time reviewing the defendant's testimony and interrogation videos.

I agree...she also asks Flores if they found the "cash that's in my safe"
What else was in her safe? How much cash?

 

[G&AMom]

I agree. Don't know if you follow Peter Hyatt and statement analysis. I wish he would have spent more time reviewing the defendant's testimony and interrogation videos.

I'd never heard of him, but just googled him. I'll have to do some more reading. Looks pretty interesting.

 

[pferrin]

I don't see logically how real things attributed to JA are too prejudicial. It's like saying to a jury, we want you to determine guilt or innocence but we're going to keep you from knowing what you need to know to do so. You jurors cannot know the facts but everyone else on the planet can.

The whole swearing in process in court is a joke to me. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, so help you God? And the same court will not let you tell the whole truth because it is too prejudicial against the defendant.

IMO the courts should be forced to change the wording to add ....as much of the truth as we will allow you to tell.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

JA is extreme but I have to say I have acquaintances that make me feel like they are stalking. People who can't take a hint no matter how big the hint is and just won't leave me alone. People who act completely helpless and think I exist to be their know everything do everything for them.

The co-worker who leeches on to you, hovers around your office, always "bumping" into you at the exact moment you're getting coffee in the kitchen, always ends up sitting next to you during meetings.

Wearing similar clothing, copying your style, wearing the same perfume, reading the same books.

Hard to tell sometimes if it's just some harmless girl crushing, an overly eager less experienced person who just admires you or a stalker gaining force.

 

[raisincharlie]

Excellent post and I'm so glad you made it because I found the whole "engagement ring" story very confusing. Frankly it didn't add up. However, I let my fingers do the walking to Google, and it turns out that a ring with the letters "CTR" on it is often worn by members of the LDS Church as a reminder of the "Choose the Right" motto, and as a symbol of their religious affiliation. This "ring" story makes a lot more sense. I can see Travis being VERY ANGRY and UPSET if he learned that it was Jodi who stole his CTR ring. He probably tore his hair out looking for his ring and she could have fed the drama. Maybe she took it when she stayed at his place before the move back to Yreka. Who knows.

One of the many unanswered questions of the case for me is why Travis agreed to let her come to his home after everything that was said in the May 26 text exchange. However if Jodi admitted that she took it, apologized and "offered" to return it to him on her way to Utah, then I can see why he'd agree to see her before his trip to Cancun.

Thank you for the info on the CTR ring, definitely not the one HLN showed. Who knows is right

As to questions, most of the time (90%) I don't believe Travis knew Jodi was coming that night. Most of the time I also think it was Jodi on his computer at 4 am that morning trying to make it look like it was Travis who was on the computer, patiently waiting for her. I tend to think Travis woke up to find Jodi either in his bed or curled up like a cat in the love seat thing by his bed. I can explain why I think those things, but can't explain why I am not 100% convinced of them.

 

[kscornfed]

Excellent post and I'm so glad you made it because I found the whole "engagement ring" story very confusing. Frankly it didn't add up. However, I let my fingers do the walking to Google, and it turns out that a ring with the letters "CTR" on it is often worn by members of the LDS Church as a reminder of the "Choose the Right" motto, and as a symbol of their religious affiliation. This "ring" story makes a lot more sense. I can see Travis being VERY ANGRY and UPSET if he learned that it was Jodi who stole his CTR ring. He probably tore his hair out looking for his ring and she could have fed the drama. Maybe she took it when she stayed at his place before the move back to Yreka. Who knows.

One of the many unanswered questions of the case for me is why Travis agreed to let her come to his home after everything that was said in the May 26 text exchange. However if Jodi admitted that she took it, apologized and "offered" to return it to him on her way to Utah, then I can see why he'd agree to see her before his trip to Cancun.

i thought that CTR ring and his watch were found in the kitchen??? no? that's not the ring we're talking about, is it?
i thought i remembered a roommate saying they saw the ring and watch in the kitchen and thought it was odd because he always wore them.

 

[forb8182]

If my memory serves me correctly, somewhere (NG I think) one of his roommates mentioned he had given TA his portion of rent .. but mortgage payment was never made nor was money found.

I remember hearing that as well from Beth Karas. It was suspected that she stole all of the cash Travis had available in the house. She makes mention during the interrogation that Travis kept his cash in his pants pocket when she was saying her money was stolen by the ninja's. I found that to odd for her to mention that specifically. She would also have to have plenty of money to continue on with her trip after Mesa. There was also the man interviewed that said he loaned her money for this trip and she did pay him back. For someone who barely worked, she sure had a lot of money on her all the time.

 

[Celeskitty]

Excellent post and I'm so glad you made it because I found the whole "engagement ring" story very confusing. Frankly it didn't add up. However, I let my fingers do the walking to Google, and it turns out that a ring with the letters "CTR" on it is often worn by members of the LDS Church as a reminder of the "Choose the Right" motto, and as a symbol of their religious affiliation. This "ring" story makes a lot more sense. I can see Travis being VERY ANGRY and UPSET if he learned that it was Jodi who stole his CTR ring. He probably tore his hair out looking for his ring and she could have fed the drama. Maybe she took it when she stayed at his place before the move back to Yreka. Who knows.

One of the many unanswered questions of the case for me is why Travis agreed to let her come to his home after everything that was said in the May 26 text exchange. However if Jodi admitted that she took it, apologized and "offered" to return it to him on her way to Utah, then I can see why he'd agree to see her before his trip to Cancun.

There's an interview with his roommate or his friends with police about the engagement ring for Deanna that went missing. They can't say it was an engagement ring but "a ring" because it would be prejudicial. He never actually gave it to her.

Another thing that bothered me her way of getting into the house. I remember that in evidence there is a check she made to him for the BMW she jacked up and it was on top of his desk. In a phone call to Det. Flores, she specifically asked about the check and wanted to know if he had cashed it. I wonder if that's what let his guard down, she was paying him back (odd thing, 100 dollars for two months of payments) and he could use extra money for the trip. Even though the date is dated in May, it was never cashed. If he was supposedly broke (according to the defense), why wouldn't he cash that thing right away?

Again, just throwing some things out there that I find odd. I apologize if this has been brought up before.