weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #155

[Miss Chevious]

We had to empty and move our heavy oak bookcases this weekend because we were painting. While they were empty, I thought I'd test JA's story of "stepping" on the edge of the closet shelves to get to the gun. Doesn't hold up (hee hee) in the least. I just used my fingers. As I was trying this I knocked the shelf off three times and my son yelled from the other room "No! Loud!"

Adding pictures so you can see for yourselves.

 

[Alexander family fan]

Can someone please remind me of where to send the donations for the family?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I wasn't rude.

But you're physiologically wrong, it's science, not opinion. But hey, say what you want.

I think anyone who wants to discuss Jodi's anus and labia and how "ugly" or "abnormal" or indicative of recent sex they are, they are ought to be prepared to show pics of their own.


And please, unless you have a quote that shows I was rude and it's just not a weak reaction to someone (gasp) not agreeing with every word you saqy,then please quote those remarks so the moderator (that's not you is it?) can deal with them. Thanks!!!!! )

For the record... After much discussion here about what was and what wasn't and attractiveness ... It was determined my own was STAR quality there also was some discussion about changing avatars and holding a contest. It was shot down... Something about being against TOS.

Mine

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[corundogs]

I'm not sure we will ever know the truth.

The naked pics of him are strange imo. For supposedly sex photos he wasn't in the mood iykwim.

He could have been napping on his made up bed and she simply crept in like she was known to do and laid the KY (her calling card) next to him and then stood back and took the pic. Its not right up at the bed and its at a weird angle. When he looks back in the photo he looks shocked to me as if "WTH...sheesh she's back.' The second one he is not even looking at her.

Then the other snapshot (2) it is like he threw the KY on the other side of him.

Except the photos of HER naked, being taken by SOMEONE, were taken like 50 seconds between the photos of him and her.

I don't remember the exact timing of all of those photos, but I am sure you can find them if you want.

The photos show HER on the same sheets. I believe that Flores also mentions a photo of her straddling him during sex - or something like that.

He may have been uncomfortable with the photos...but I will never believe he wasn't fully involved. I also won't ever believe they didn't have sex that day.

The roommate said that Travis said to him that morning that he only got 45 minutes of sleep the night before. We know he was up around 4am on the computer, right?

It may just be that those who think they couldn't have had sex have never had a "friends with benefits" situation, or a breakup with a man and continued to still have sex after the relationship part is over.

Myself and many here have in fact done just that. Said the most HATEFUL, VILE things to someone and heard the same in return...only to have sex the next night when one is out with friends and comes home to an empty house.

I will never forget the night that I had finally had it with an ex. I did things I can't believe (destroyed property in HIS home, some that belonged to his neice and nephew!). I said things that I didn't know I was capable of.

Yet 4 nights later, he was at my front door wanting sex. Because of my OWN actions, I was beyond done. I wasn't going to allow anyone to put me in a position where I was going to do that again...and never have to this day, and never will.

But he was willing and able! I guess if you have never been in that position, it's hard to understand.

 

[MissJ]

You realize this is a really long post talking about what you find offensive that other people are talking about.
I just wanted to correct you on the dilated bits. The sphincter that controls the muscles in that area was designed to open to release waste from the body, not to open to accommodate things entering the body. So yes she's dilated there and that's why.

Jumping off your post, ladies of the evening who "specialize" in anal sex often have rectal prolapse because their muscles, sphincter is waaay too stretched to ever close. They wear diapers. JMO:twocents:

 

[kaRN]

Fine! and you? lol
7-15 days...I'm sure JW will drag it out somehow.

Glad to hear!! I'm well. It's a beautiful sunny day here and the birds are singing outside and my finches and lovebirds are going crazy inside hoping to get out.

I think that Dr. D was the witness the DT felt safe in attacking and dragging down, not that it worked. I'm not sure they'll be able to do that to the Tedesco or Walmart accountants. The ME will just give JW one of his 'how stupid are you looks', and she'll be intimidated back to her seat.....I hope!! I like your 7 day prediction. Lets hope you're dead on with that!

 

[Numbers]

Have you seen 'Hoarding, buried alive'?
That would about sum it up. <jk>
she had "collections"
wallets, purses, reading glasses (50+ pairs, mostly all still in original package). etc.

When my father passed away, my mother compensated by shopping. After she passed away and after her friends went through her clothes, I took 88 sweaters to Goodwill, not to mention other items. It's a miserable chore, but it will eventually have a conclusion. Hang in there!

 

[gngr~snap]

I think it is a rumor.

I believe Chris Hughes addressed the gun article on twitter.

Think about it....if they found a gun a year ago, and it belonged to Jodi's grandfather, it would be in evidence.

Would it? I don't think it would be in evidence unless the ballistics match.
Someone still could have turned it in thinking it might be the gun she used.
Once it's ruled out isn't that it?

I'm trying to keep an open mind and think about the 2 person theory. If I were told there Was absolutely another person helping - it could only be MM. She's burned every other bridge, and I don't see DB risking it.

I so wish I could have seen DB's face - he had an excrutiating time admitting that JA told him she was going to MESA. There's much more to that story that we don't know. The remote control for the DVD player that was returned 3 hours later. Why would a remote for his DVD player be in her rental car (she had a hard time answering that one)?

THIS video was indicative that there is way more to come on this !!!

http://youtu.be/n9-qVSYgD68

Makes me wonder if they put some pictures onto a disc and viewed them or something.

I would not be surprised if she had someone follow Travis and record him coming and going,
Like some kind of video surveillance.

She said she took "cd's" to his house with pictures and he was trying to download them on his computer.

what if she was trying to plant child on his computer???
during that 4:00 computer time

1- she told ALV TA had on his computer.
2- with all the backtracking they have done I won't be surprised if
that is why the forensic investigator Brown is being called to the stand.

I think DB and MM hepled Jodi make some kind of disc to blackmail Travis with.
I also think that they have proof she tried to set him up.:moo:

 

[luvtenniss]

Our fam went to a mall yesterday. I saw a LoveSac shop!! Did not know they existed! My husband started singing "Love Shack" from the B-52's. I made him stop because of trial flashback!!

 

[chijojo]

Are you allowed to post the link or tell me how to view that page, and that of her brother ( if you know )? I read somewhere, that on her brother's page he said that the reason she made the sex tape was to scare off his Mormon girlfriends if she had to. I don't know if that is something she told him or he surmised but I am just curious.

here is a link to her "art" I say that with a bit of sarcasm. I noticed when looking at the pic of Tanisha, she has a beautiful expression in her eyes. Something JA will never capture.

http://ariasart.com/2013/03/

 

[BritsKate]

It fits with the cycle of abuse. Theoretically, he's vulnerable to her manipulations, and she's theoretically picked up the best ways to get what she wants out of him. He tells her what he thinks of her, and then hypothetically she comes back with the "I've changed, I'm so sorry, let me make it up to you" offer of sex, which he gives in to. It all makes sense to me from the vantage point of having been in several abusive relationships. It's hard to say no because you're so used to giving in. Maybe you were too harsh on them. Maybe you should just be nicer and they'll be nicer. All things that tend to go through an abuse victim's mind regularly.

And then the shame. You don't want to admit to your friends you gave in. Not likely to text and let anyone know she's there, because they've already given you the "stop seeing her!" lectures.

JMO!

Where have you been all my life? :floorlaugh:

I see it much the same as you - only, I think Jodi's manipulations that day may have been more coquettish and less overt. I can easily see her appealing to the generous, forgiving aspect of Travis' personality. After all, he'd forgiven her many sins few others would.

I see her showing up with a sob story of epic proportion and slowly manipulating him into a state of vulnerability throughout the course of the day...which fits a comorbid PD nicely too. Some can be very cunning and resourceful in their scheming.

(I actually compare psychopaths and abusers regularly since the relationship's evolution and subsequent abuses are very similar. There's also a known link between the two. For anyone who has ever been in a relationship of any sort with someone who has untreated PD, you know the level of crazy-making involved. You're constantly doubting your perceptions, actions, and even reality.)

 

[katiedid2]

My way of looking at that is she has said there was a nonverbal physical threat on her life, ie: body slam, chase, lunge like a line backer, in the context of previous physical attacks, one in this very location, the bathroom hallway.
And a verbal threat on her life, ie: f*ckin kill you b****.
She's covered her bases.

Didn't Jodie claim that her DAD hit her, causing her to pass out? Didn't she blame BOBBY JUARZ of doing the same?

Didn't she claim she had a nervous break down when she and DARRYL BREWER had an argument? How many times has she claim body slams by TRAVIS ??You'd think ,if TRAVIS had body slammed her on the tiled floor! she would be in alot of pain and pretty sore after a few days? Which is how long it takes for the pain and soreness to set in.?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Out of respect for Travis' family and friends, of various ages and religious beliefs can you please stop discussing anal sex in such detail?

Shore... Please forward the memo to Nurmi


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[Suzanna in Arizona]

JA claims she parked the car in the center of the driveway like she always did.
IMO) that area looks like there might be no street parking allowed. But I noticed a large green park-like space with a paved area directly across from TA house. Don't know what this space is but I'm wondering if she could have parked there.

We almost bought a house in that area about 2 years ago (before this case got "popular") and we were told by the realtor that parking on the street was only allowed for a couple of hours. Now, this was in the next subdivision over, so I am not sure what the rules were for Travis' immediate street/subdivision or how long a car could remain parked on the street. JMO

 

[Pink Panther]

It's been rumored (or wishful thinking) JM might actually have the DVD player and using in rebuttal and closing.

I want to believe Juan is saving the best for last. Because so far with DeMarte he's coming through like a champ.


I just read an interesting statement that I hadn't thought about. If Jodi actually DID use Travis' gun, she would do ANYTHING to help locate it because it would nearly exonerate her.
But because she is sticking to her fog-induced lie and not willing to cooperate, that pretty much suggests, she used her grandfather's gun.



Why did she call Matt McCartney on June 5th? Why? Why? Why? She was en route to Utah. Why after 'finding her charger' was he the first one she called?

It's unnerving the string of ex's involved that day huh?
Darryl (check)
Matt (check)
Travis (check)
then.....a new future ex, Ryan (check)

Don't forget. Someone else was there when she spent the night at Matt's. We know that but that person hasn't "shown" up yet in this trial.

moo

 

[megmono]

Out of respect for Travis' family and friends, of various ages and religious beliefs can you please stop discussing anal sex in such detail?

um have you watched the trial? because the word anal was said on the stand more than i have ever had conversations about it in real life. i understand where you are coming from but per jodi's 19 days on the stand... it was talked about a lot. a lot a lot.

 

[katydid23]

First of all, sorry for the abuse you've gone through. I just love the way you have so accurately portrayed JODI AS THE ABUSER. I wish Juan would have used an example like that so the jury could clearly see it...that Travis didn't want to go back, but victims often go back. I don't think he ever actually put it that way, but that would have been the best way to show Jodi as the abuser. There will probably be some on the jury who question the sex they had on June 4 just like we are...question WHY did he have sex with her on that day even after the May 26th texts and even after knowing all the crazy stuff about her and her stalking ways. I really wish Juan had put it just like you did.

In his May 26th texts, he kind of leaves the door open. He asks her to answer his accusations by admitting she was lying about that mystery man. So I think she got in the door by apologizing profusely, admitting she lied about everything, offering a check in payment for the past 2 months, and telling him she had a new boyfriend in Utah. I think that combo of info would greatly relieve Travis. I think he would let down his guard if she admitted her wrongdoing and talked enthusiastically about a new potential relationship in another state.

 

[GoAskAllie]

Reminds me of that deplorable idiocy spouted by the non-expert Alyce...Jodi was trying to feel normal. Unbelievable that there are people like that in the world.

How many future convicts can say they went to see a play by Shakespeare just three days before being arrested? Saw this photo for the first time a few weeks ago. Pat on the back to whoever took the picture. It looks like Jodi is already wearing prison stripes. Maybe she saw it as a "sign" and that's why she was hightailing it out of Yreka a few days later.

 

[chijojo]

When my father passed away, my mother compensated by shopping. After she passed away and after her friends went through her clothes, I took 88 sweaters to Goodwill, not to mention other items. It's a miserable chore, but it will eventually have a conclusion. Hang in there!

BBM

Something I've been doing :facepalm: lately, Which is why I am now broke. (quit my job in N.C to come down and take care of her cat while she got better. (if only I had known)

 

[Snoopy1]

BBM

Something I've been doing :facepalm: lately, Which is why I am now broke. (quit my job in N.C to come down and take care of her cat while she got better. (if only I had known)

So sorry about your mom Chijojo! My thoughts and prayers are with you!