Were Caylee's Remains Moved?

[Searchfortruth]

We know Caylee was in the trunk for 2.6 days / forensics. My only thought about her body being somewhere else before suburban are the dog hits and serious searching by LE in the back yard.

Wherever she was murdered, I do wonder if very temporarily ( and it may have even been nothing more than a matter of hours) Casey had her somewhere like the playhouse before the trunk. Not sure why though, except if she needed to use the car for something first, like move some stuff over to Tony's. Really hard to get into the mind of a sociopath.

I believe Casey attempted to bury Caylee in the back yard on the 18th, on the same day she borrowed the shovel. She probably gave up on that when it turned out to be harder than she anticipated. My thought is that by the 18th, Casey knew she had to get rid of Caylee's remains, probably due to the smell. Her next plan of action was to put Caylee, in the woods, on Suburban (convenient and familiar).

On the 18th of June, cell phone records show that Anthony was near the area where Caylee was found, at around 4 PM.

 

[The World According]

Could Caylee have been someplace else before her body was found near the home. I am starting to think so. I think someone moved her body from where it was and placed it in those woods. But why would they use Trash Bags still from the A's home along with Caylees belongings.


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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- A former Los Angeles Police homicide detective does not believe the woods where Caylee Anthonys’ remains were found are the first place someone left her after she died.

Yes, her little body could have been for moments in the back yard at Casey's home while Casey scrambled for things to put her in, hence, the dog hits in the back yard. Home, car, woods, period. MOO The fact that Caylee was in clothes and items very likely from the Anthony home, and let's call it what it was, Casey's home, is very compelling. There are no coincidences in criminal law. If you don't believe me, Mr. Baez, well just see what the hardworking, taxpaying members of the jury feel about it based on their common sense. We'll just see! The dog did have proper training, that info is coming in front of the jury. I've got "You dropped a bomb on me" cued up, good to go.

If the former homicide detective was Mark, he wrote in his book that he sat with mom and pop and told them point blank, you know Caylee is dead, right. Cindy bowed her head and sobbed quietly and George shook his head yes in acknowledgment. Let me find the exact quote. It is interesting which parts of story a reporter choses to add.

 

[kaRN]

KC acted alone and after keeping the body stashed in the playhouse tried to bury her using the neighbors shovel in the backyard. That however was hard work and KC doesn't do work let alone hard work so the body was moved to the trunk of her car. I'm inclined to believe she was hoping to use the stolen gas from GA's precious gas cans to burn the evidence but leaving Orange county is also not something KC does. While she was trying to figure out where to dump and burn her daughters body, she had the confrontation with GA about the can cans and panicked. She then quickly dumped Caylee at the bottom of the street. I believe she planned to move her somewhere else but got caught up making brownies and stolen chicken for TonE and forgot until CA and Amy showed up to ruin her life.
I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest it would be impossible for KC to do this alone. She has arms and is capable of carrying a 2 year old child be she in tantrum or limp. She is capable of putting oblects in a garbage bag and throwing it away. What other skills did KC need??

It's not like any part of murdering a defensless baby takes special skill or training. Rather the opposite. It takes skill to raise the child, to love and nurture her and put her needs first. Do any of us feel that altruism is even a word KC understands let alone could spell?
KC acted alone. If she had help LE would still be searching for the body and when they found it, it wouldn't have been packaged with items from the A home IMO.

I also expect her helper, unless they are as damaged as KC, would be living with a gnawing guilt and be ready to explode right now. They might even come forward to LE and confess their role in helping to dump the body.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

KC acted alone and after keeping the body stashed in the playhouse tried to bury her using the neighbors shovel in the backyard. That however was hard work and KC doesn't do work let alone hard work so the body was moved to the trunk of her car. I'm inclined to believe she was hoping to use the stolen gas from GA's precious gas cans to burn the evidence but leaving Orange county is also not something KC does. While she was trying to figure out where to dump and burn her daughters body, she had the confrontation with GA about the can cans and panicked. She then quickly dumped Caylee at the bottom of the street. I believe she planned to move her somewhere else but got caught up making brownies and stolen chicken for TonE and forgot until CA and Amy showed up to ruin her life.
I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest it would be impossible for KC to do this alone. She has arms and is capable of carrying a 2 year old child be she in tantrum or limp. She is capable of putting oblects in a garbage bag and throwing it away. What other skills did KC need??

It's not like any part of murdering a defensless baby takes special skill or training. Rather the opposite. It takes skill to raise the child, to love and nurture her and put her needs first. Do any of us feel that altruism is even a word KC understands let alone could spell?
KC acted alone. If she had help LE would still be searching for the body and when they found it, it wouldn't have been packaged with items from the A home IMO.

I also expect her helper, unless they are as damaged as KC, would be living with a gnawing guilt and be ready to explode right now. They might even come forward to LE and confess their role in helping to dump the body.

And what would be the motivation for anyone to help her? She didn't have true, close friends. Even if she did - what would they say if Casey called and needed help disposing of a body for God's sake?? They'd be on the phone to the cops in a second and would have been thrown under the Baez express by now. They're trying SO hard for any tenuous connection to anyone, if Casey had help - a story would be concocted to blame that person 100%.

 

[Aedrys]

And what would be the motivation for anyone to help her? She didn't have true, close friends. Even if she did - what would they say if Casey called and needed help disposing of a body for God's sake?? They'd be on the phone to the cops in a second and would have been thrown under the Baez express by now. They're trying SO hard for any tenuous connection to anyone, if Casey had help - a story would be concocted to blame that person 100%.

ITA. Reminds me of the saying, "A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body." Apparently Casey did not have any true friends. Heck, some of her former friends were upset that Caylee was missing and Casey was not happy about that. No way they'd help her move Caylee's dead body.

 

[The World According]

Yes, her little body could have been for moments in the back yard at Casey's home while Casey scrambled for things to put her in, hence, the dog hits in the back yard. Home, car, woods, period. MOO The fact that Caylee was in clothes and items very likely from the Anthony home, and let's call it what it was, Casey's home, is very compelling. There are no coincidences in criminal law. If you don't believe me, Mr. Baez, well just see what the hardworking, taxpaying members of the jury feel about it based on their common sense. We'll just see! The dog did have proper training, that info is coming in front of the jury. I've got "You dropped a bomb on me" cued up, good to go.

If the former homicide detective was Mark, he wrote in his book that he sat with mom and pop and told them point blank, you know Caylee is dead, right. Cindy bowed her head and sobbed quietly and George shook his head yes in acknowledgment. Let me find the exact quote. It is interesting which parts of story a reporter decides to add.

Here it is: Mark Furhman
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5335575&postcount=230"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Letters to Casey from Cindy and George[/ame]

 

[TrialAddict]

IF she did have help, I believe it was from, Lee

 

[SunnyinMO]

I think Caylee was in the trunk of the car and then taken to the swamp by Casey, and Casey alone. I think the hits by the dogs in the back yard were from clothing and possible other items taken out of the trunk by Cindy, put in the back yard (to try to keep the smell out of her house) and eventually put in trash bags and tossed in one or more dumpsters by George during his trips around the city. I believe he and Cindy started covering up Caylee's death when they got the car home from the tow yard.

I always try to remember to think as a dear friend suggested...keep it simple.

 

[Solace]

I think Caylee was in the trunk of the car and then taken to the swamp by Casey, and Casey alone. I think the hits by the dogs in the back yard were from clothing and possible other items taken out of the trunk by Cindy, put in the back yard (to try to keep the smell out of her house) and eventually put in trash bags and tossed in one or more dumpsters by George during his trips around the city. I believe he and Cindy started covering up Caylee's death when they got the car home from the tow yard.

I always try to remember to think as a dear friend suggested...keep it simple.

I can see where you would think they started covering up when they got the car back; HOWEVER, Cindy tells KC on the phone when she calls them from jail the first time "why are you blaming me, blame yourself for all the lies". She would not have said that if she wanted to cover for her daughter at that time. Also she would never had said in her 911 call the car smells like there has been a dead body in the dam car. This is extremely damning and it is evidence that has been deemed relevant and admissable by Judge Perry.

I don't think George or Cindy distributed the clothes anywhere. Cindy does say she washed KC's pants and the knife found in the car. She also says she sprayed the car with Fabreeze.

I guess we disagree.

 

[Aedrys]

I can see where you would think they started covering up when they got the car back; HOWEVER, Cindy tells KC on the phone when she calls them from jail the first time "why are you blaming me, blame yourself for all the lies". She would not have said that if she wanted to cover for her daughter at that time. Also she would never had said in her 911 call the car smells like there has been a dead body in the dam car. This is extremely damning and it is evidence that has been deemed relevant and admissable by Judge Perry.

I don't think George or Cindy distributed the clothes anywhere. Cindy does say she washed KC's pants and the knife found in the car. She also says she sprayed the car with Fabreeze.

I guess we disagree.

Respectfully, there is HUGE difference in what the A's, especially Cindy, say and what they do. She totally said mean things to Casey and her friends, but in the meantime, was doing everything to cover up for Casey. That is how Cindy is. If Cindy says it, 9 times out of 10, she is lying or covering up for her family so they remain a perfect family in her eyes. And the comment about the damn dead body in the car was one of those extremely rare times of honesty from her. She was really scared in those 911 calls. After that, nothing but rage, insolence, and lying and covering for Casey. And you better believe LE has her saying she washed the pants and knife and Febreezed the car on record to go after her once the trial is over for obstruction of justice. No one has the right to disturb a crime scene, especially the way Cindy did. Thank God she didn't get everything out and make the car perfect before LE got there. I'm betting she wishes everyday that there was a way to get that smell out of the car.

In following this case since the beginning, there is no logic to Cindy's words and actions. It's pointless to try to and put some there. She believes Casey is an extension of herself and because of that, Casey CANNOT be a murderer. She is willing to coverup and lie to make that belief a FACT. Believe me, she totally started thinking coverup before she ever opened her mouth or left the towyard the day she and George got Casey's car. And the instant they got home, she was in full coverup mode.

 

[SunnyinMO]

I can see where you would think they started covering up when they got the car back; HOWEVER, Cindy tells KC on the phone when she calls them from jail the first time "why are you blaming me, blame yourself for all the lies". She would not have said that if she wanted to cover for her daughter at that time. Also she would never had said in her 911 call the car smells like there has been a dead body in the dam car. This is extremely damning and it is evidence that has been deemed relevant and admissable by Judge Perry.

I don't think George or Cindy distributed the clothes anywhere. Cindy does say she washed KC's pants and the knife found in the car. She also says she sprayed the car with Fabreeze.

I guess we disagree.

I don't think we really disagree..I should have added 'subconsciously covering for Casey when they got the car'...sorry about that. I don't think if Cindy had thought before she spoke she would have said anything about the smell of the car....at that point it is my belief she was so angry that she couldn't make Casey tell her where Caylee was, or take her to get her she was so angry she just said what was in her mind and didn't think about the consequences...since neither of us, or anyone, other than Casey and the A's know for sure what happened or why they did what they did, we are simply expressing our best guess on what we know and how we interpret it. And goodness knows, for me, it has changed many times during these past 2 plus years.

 

[Solace]

Respectfully, there is HUGE difference in what the A's, especially Cindy, say and what they do. She totally said mean things to Casey and her friends, but in the meantime, was doing everything to cover up for Casey. That is how Cindy is. If Cindy says it, 9 times out of 10, she is lying or covering up for her family so they remain a perfect family in her eyes. And the comment about the damn dead body in the car was one of those extremely rare times of honesty from her. She was really scared in those 911 calls. After that, nothing but rage, insolence, and lying and covering for Casey. And you better believe LE has her saying she washed the pants and knife and Febreezed the car on record to go after her once the trial is over for obstruction of justice. No one has the right to disturb a crime scene, especially the way Cindy did. Thank God she didn't get everything out and make the car perfect before LE got there. I'm betting she wishes everyday that there was a way to get that smell out of the car.

In following this case since the beginning, there is no logic to Cindy's words and actions. It's pointless to try to and put some there. She believes Casey is an extension of herself and because of that, Casey CANNOT be a murderer. She is willing to coverup and lie to make that belief a FACT. Believe me, she totally started thinking coverup before she ever opened her mouth or left the towyard the day she and George got Casey's car. And the instant they got home, she was in full coverup mode.

I don't see how saying "it smells like there is a dead body in the dam car" and "blame yourself for telling lies" helps her in her defense of her daughter.

I understand your rage with Cindy, because she is such a liar, but at that moment, she was not helping her daughter. And remember she had the car in the afternoon. She had not just gotten it. So she had most of the afternoon to put together a bs excuse for this. She did not. She fell apart on the phone.

 

[Solace]

I don't think we really disagree..I should have added 'subconsciously covering for Casey when they got the car'...sorry about that. I don't think if Cindy had thought before she spoke she would have said anything about the smell of the car....at that point it is my belief she was so angry that she couldn't make Casey tell her where Caylee was, or take her to get her she was so angry she just said what was in her mind and didn't think about the consequences...since neither of us, or anyone, other than Casey and the A's know for sure what happened or why they did what they did, we are simply expressing our best guess on what we know and how we interpret it. And goodness knows, for me, it has changed many times during these past 2 plus years.

Yes, but at that moment, Cindy has just learned that Caylee has been "gone" for 31 days and I believe she realized then that the child is probably dead. My best guess. Thanks Sunny

 

[Horace Finklestein]

IF she did have help, I believe it was from, Lee

Totally agree.

 

[cyberborg]

I think it is tough to tell when/if CA went from holding ICA to account versus cover-up mode, CA may have been running on both tracks at the same time.

From my distant experience of CA she seems passive-aggressive with ICA, conflicted. She both wants to punish and torture ICA at the same time as protect and defend her.

I think the key is that CA wants to be in control of that, she did not want GA or anyone else being responsible as to how ICA was treated or viewed.

CA sees ICA as an extension of herself but also seems to gain great satisfaction out of keeping ICA on her hook (allowing her digressions) to maintain control while punishing her in her own way ... like a Cat playing with a Mouse and wanting to keep the Mouse alive.

ICA is/was defiant so she quietly retaliated and fanned the flames ... it was escalating out of control and Caylee paid the ultimate price.

 

[nyvictoria]

I can see where you would think they started covering up when they got the car back; HOWEVER, Cindy tells KC on the phone when she calls them from jail the first time "why are you blaming me, blame yourself for all the lies". She would not have said that if she wanted to cover for her daughter at that time. Also she would never had said in her 911 call the car smells like there has been a dead body in the dam car. This is extremely damning and it is evidence that has been deemed relevant and admissable by Judge Perry.

I don't think George or Cindy distributed the clothes anywhere. Cindy does say she washed KC's pants and the knife found in the car. She also says she sprayed the car with Fabreeze.

I guess we disagree.

Solace, FWIW I agree with you. I think the "hits" in the backyard came from the gas cans or possibly from Caylee (attempt to stage an accidental drowning?) but not from Cindy or George removing items from the car. Aside from what Cindy admitted, the only other thing they may have done is wipe down the car because it reeked of "pizza" or maybe just looked untidy. IIRC, LE found only one fingerprint belonging to Casey and that leads me to believe someone wiped the car clean. My thinking is it was George (maybe Cindy) and only done because it's a George-thing to do, keep the cars clean. If Cindy, George or Lee attempted any blatant cover-up, we never would have heard about the smelly pants or the knife. That's not to say the defense won't try to cast some suspicion their way. Anyone who ever spent more than 5 minutes within 10 feet of Casey will be a target and that will be a major problem. They will throw out so many wild theories and claim a dozen or so SODDIs and the jury will sit there with their heads spinning.

Caylee's body was taken from the Anthony house, put in Casey's trunk and then dumped the woods, all via Casey's hands.

 

[Macushla]

Haven't read this whole thread so don't know if anyone else who lives locally has commented on digging a hole. KC would not have had even the slightest problem digging a hole in the back yard. the ground in this area is all sandy, loose soil that shovels up quite easily. Heck, my dog can dig a 12 inch deep hole in seconds! So I don't think she gave up on the idea of digging a hole because it got too hard. IF she did get the shovel because she was planning to bury Caylee in the back yard - she had second thoughts OR she was just too lazy to continue digging. I can see her thinking, oh wow, it is way too hot out here to do any more shoveling or something along those lines, because she could have dug a 'big enough' hole with that shovel in about 5 minutes. I do a lot of landscaping in my yard, so I consider myself an 'expert' on digging around in Central Florida

 

[LambChop]

Haven't read this whole thread so don't know if anyone else who lives locally has commented on digging a hole. KC would not have had even the slightest problem digging a hole in the back yard. the ground in this area is all sandy, loose soil that shovels up quite easily. Heck, my dog can dig a 12 inch deep hole in seconds! So I don't think she gave up on the idea of digging a hole because it got too hard. IF she did get the shovel because she was planning to bury Caylee in the back yard - she had second thoughts OR she was just too lazy to continue digging. I can see her thinking, oh wow, it is way too hot out here to do any more shoveling or something along those lines, because she could have dug a 'big enough' hole with that shovel in about 5 minutes. I do a lot of landscaping in my yard, so I consider myself an 'expert' on digging around in Central Florida

I believe the problem was where the hole was dug, there was some footing for the foundation sticking out into the yard. They think she hit that and quit. That's from my memory but I think that was what LE was thinking. jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Haven't read this whole thread so don't know if anyone else who lives locally has commented on digging a hole. KC would not have had even the slightest problem digging a hole in the back yard. the ground in this area is all sandy, loose soil that shovels up quite easily. Heck, my dog can dig a 12 inch deep hole in seconds! So I don't think she gave up on the idea of digging a hole because it got too hard. IF she did get the shovel because she was planning to bury Caylee in the back yard - she had second thoughts OR she was just too lazy to continue digging. I can see her thinking, oh wow, it is way too hot out here to do any more shoveling or something along those lines, because she could have dug a 'big enough' hole with that shovel in about 5 minutes. I do a lot of landscaping in my yard, so I consider myself an 'expert' on digging around in Central Florida

Careful - you may be called as a witness now and get a subpoena like JJ.

 

[mommabear]

IF she did have help, I believe it was from, Lee

I have believed this for a very long time...since the day that Casey had a court appearance while CA & GA were in California talking on Larry King Live about a child in the area that was "surely" little Caylee! Lee was the only person to arrive at court that day, sat in the front row when KC came out...I think that's the day little Caylee was found, I've always believed that he was at the court hearing to let KC KNOW that he had moved the body to the "agreed" spot, so KC could argue later that someone else moved the body while she was in jail....this was their plan from the beginning to "muddy up the investigation"... LA is "smarmy" in my opinion and after his little "CMA speech" at Caylee's memorial...he made me absolutely sick to my stomach with that garbage! I believe he KNEW where to find little Caylee and where to put her since KC was in jail, surely someone else would've had to have committed the crime. JMOO, of course!