Were TH and/or Kyron really at Skyline on Friday, June 4?

[butterfly1978]

Here is a scenerio..... What if Terri and Kyron got to the school at 8:15 walked around for a few saw some projects and therefore Terri and Kyron were both seen, then she tells Kyron, I forgot something at the house I'll be right back meet me out front at 9:00 so we can go to your Dr. appointment. Kyron walks around sees his friend makes the statement about the electricity project and then heads out the south door and jumps in the car.

In this scenerio, Terri left the school but came back so if people saw her leave than its not her...
So she was still at the school but left and came back.

 

[ClueMeIn]

How far from the school do they live?

 

[DidionFan]

From the 6/18 LE presser (bbm):

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

"I cannot comment on specifics but can say that our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow-up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron’s activities prior to his disappearance "

"Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared."

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

So....are these contributing statements from LE that lead one to wonder if TH was there, regardless of the photos? Just curious...

 

[butterfly1978]

From the 6/18 LE presser (bbm):

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

"I cannot comment on specifics but can say that our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow-up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron’s activities prior to his disappearance "

"Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared."

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

So....are these contributing statements from LE that mislead one to wonder if TH was there, regardless of the photos? Just curious...

I do remember that statement being made, thanks for the reminder. So does this mean that he was not seen near the south entrance?

 

[Wendy101]

In Friday's presser they said she was driving the pick up.

Do you have the link handy for that presser, I've been looking, for what seems like forver for it :banghead:

 

[DidionFan]

I do remember that statement being made, thanks for the reminder. So does this mean that he was not seen near the south entrance?

(your quote bbm)

I am not sure LE is even confirming south entrance anymore - pretty sure that is also under no comment (retracted). Someone here made a great post that, in the early stages, most non-LE confirmed info is now retracted for the safety of the case, as perp(s) could use released information to compromise the case, change alibi/story.

IMO, these early bits of info, now "off record," are still telling though...I just can't think that TH was NOT at the school that morning, however...

PS - re your earlier post, I also agree: I am 1000% sure Kyron was at school that morning - or LE would compromise the case by saying the pictures released/clothing were from 6/4. That said, I do also think the photo was truly taken by TH. And am less than 1000% sure she was there, but, not much less than 100%....She was there, IMO

 

[Emma Peel]

Could this be a game changer?

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/s...boys-disappearance-dpgonc-20100618-mh_8191339

Horman’s cell phone records contradicted the story she was telling investigators -- that she watched Kyron go to his classroom after attending his elementary school science fair.

The records revealed that she may have been on Sauvie Island, about five miles away from the school, according to the Willamette Week.

posted in cell ping thread as well.

 

[DidionFan]

Could this be a game changer?

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/s...boys-disappearance-dpgonc-20100618-mh_8191339



posted in cell ping thread as well.

I have been in the cell phone ping thread trying to understand the cell phone tower situation - Trying to figure out in such a rural area (it is truly rural, real fast) if within the region of the school there are truly only two towers. My understanding from earlier WS maps I can't seem to find is that there are 2, and they are fairly close in terms of milage and residences per capita. There is still thought that a ping from SI could easily happen while still being in the area of Skyline School.

It's not because I want to back an opinion or hope, but just sayin'. Respectfully - This article is Fox (TX), and highly running off of the People Magazine and Willamette Week articles re pings, and it's dated June 18th - nothing further has been stated that said LE was looking at TH's pings....local livestream feed apparently caught LE discussing pings after a PC a week ago, but...this sounds like an article trying to lead to discovery, when it's just more confidently twisting facts into resolution....

 

[Emma Peel]

I have been in the cell phone ping thread trying to understand the cell phone tower situation - Trying to figure out in such a rural area (it is truly rural, real fast) if within the region of the school there are truly only two towers. My understanding from earlier WS maps I can't seem to find is that there are 2, and they are fairly close in terms of milage and residences per capita. There is still thought that a ping from SI could easily happen while still being in the area of Skyline School.

It's not because I want to back an opinion or hope, but just sayin'. Respectfully - This article is Fox (TX), and highly running off of the People Magazine and Willamette Week articles re pings, and it's dated June 18th - nothing further has been stated that said LE was looking at TH's pings....local livestream feed apparently caught LE discussing pings after a PC a week ago, but...this sounds like an article trying to lead to discovery, when it's just more confidently twisting facts into resolution....

We have permission to discuss it now. I posted after clearing with Kimster and Grandmaj.

JVM brought it up tonight. Levi had an entire show based on it tonight.

If, in fact, we were allowed to consider this leaked information when looking at LE's survey, would it have colored the intent of that survey?

Did Terri leave Kyron in the hall at 8:45 as she has told LE or have they discovered a major inconsistency in her story - thus the flyer asking about Terri? Is this what the repeat LDT for Terri is about? Was Desiree's independent reaching out today to media related to a change in attitude with the parental closed ranks?

Too late for me to discuss, but as I worked out permission to open discussion ... here it is for others to chew on.

Tomorrow I'll go back and read what the night shift wrought. :bedtime:

 

[Wendy101]

Could this be a game changer?

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/s...boys-disappearance-dpgonc-20100618-mh_8191339



posted in cell ping thread as well.

So then it can be possible that Terri didn't have her cell phone with her that day then?

LE say she WAS at the school.....


Also snipped from the same article:

Horman first drew public attention when she changed her Facebook page status to “hitting the gym” after Kyron’s disappearance, uncharacteristic of a grief-stricken parent with a missing child, People reported.

IRRC Mr. Horman was also "hitting the gym".... there is a video of both of them leaving it anyway..

 

[DidionFan]

I honestly think this article:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/st...618-mh_8191339

is just a sensationalized version of what is out there already, and spins it to fact and truth. As if the original wasn't damning enough, at least the WW offered original info to ruminate upon. This just takes what has been said, and makes it into sound bite facts, as though more has been solved. Its a regurgitation, but with a spin to make it sound like they know what the resolution is....I am very tentative about this as a posting source in that it is fueling opinion based on a very confident summary of news articles.

Just my opinion.

I think I'm logging off for the night. Hearts to all - and hope.
Prayers for Kyron. May tomorrow bring solace and relief for this family.

 

[Annazed]

Could this be a game changer?
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/s...boys-disappearance-dpgonc-20100618-mh_8191339

That's what I keep wondering; are the police saying that both Terri and Kyron were gone from the school by 8:45am? That would make sense to me, that she would (under a scenario that I am theorizing) stop by the school to take the picture and tell him that he had an appointment and just go, the 8:45 time being only an assertion by her, not a fact verifiable by others.

just my thoughts and questions

 

[Wendy101]

Horman’s cell phone records contradicted the story she was telling investigators -- that she watched Kyron go to his classroom after attending his elementary school science fair.

The records revealed that she may have been on Sauvie Island, about five miles away from the school, according to the Willamette Week.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/s...boys-disappearance-dpgonc-20100618-mh_8191339

Then,

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

So the cell phone ping is pinging at 8:45 in Suavie Island and Zimmerman seen Terri at 8:15....

humm...

 

[scandi]

I am pretty sure Kyron was there June 4th and he was seen at least based on the friend, but I have not heard anyone say they saw Terri.

Hi Butterfly, Has the info saying 2 teachers saw TH and Kyron leaving together been disproven? I haven't read that.

Could it be if they did see this it was after Tanner saw Kyron in the hall and after the bell had rung? Boy, if so they might want back-up for that as it would make all the difference in the case, eh?

 

[DidionFan]

We have permission to discuss it now. I posted after clearing with Kimster and Grandmaj.

JVM brought it up tonight. Levi had an entire show based on it tonight.

If, in fact, we were allowed to consider this leaked information when looking at LE's survey, would it have colored the intent of that survey?

Did Terri leave Kyron in the hall at 8:45 as she has told LE or have they discovered a major inconsistency in her story - thus the flyer asking about Terri? Is this what the repeat LDT for Terri is about? Was Desiree's independent reaching out today to media related to a change in attitude with the parental closed ranks?

Too late for me to discuss, but as I worked out permission to open discussion ... here it is for others to chew on.

Tomorrow I'll go back and read what the night shift wrought. :bedtime:

Thank you for that! I will look at JVM and Levi, as I had not done so....and - A trillion thank you's for your questions :blushing: I still am not a fan of the posted FOX article over anything first hand we've seen, it just took facts and shut the case - but all the same, I tried to look for an "applause" emoticon because you ask such great questions that I want answered as well!

Appreciating everyone here, and hoping for Kyron.

 

[scandi]

Horman’s cell phone records contradicted the story she was telling investigators -- that she watched Kyron go to his classroom after attending his elementary school science fair.

The records revealed that she may have been on Sauvie Island, about five miles away from the school, according to the Willamette Week.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/s...boys-disappearance-dpgonc-20100618-mh_8191339

Then,

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

So the cell phone ping is pinging at 8:45 in Suavie Island and Zimmerman seen Terri at 8:15....

humm...

Hi, I wouldn't think it would have to be as early as to ping at 8:45 but rather from the time it would take her to drive from the school to SI and return back to her home where she was on the computer at 1pm, right?

It might not even matter what time the ping was {within that 4 hour & 15 min time frame} IF she told them she did not go to SI, right? She evidently had no idea they could trace her from a simple ping on an almost desolate island. Bet she almost fainted when she was told that !!! IMO

 

[Wendy101]

Hi Butterfly, Has the info saying 2 teachers saw TH and Kyron leaving together been disproven? I haven't read that.

Could it be if they did see this it was after T saw Kyron in the hall and after the bell had rung? Boy, if so they might want back-up for that as it would make all the difference in the case, eh?

I thought this was retracted by the LE?

 

[scandi]

I thought this was retracted by the LE?

I don't think T statement has been retracted by LE. What I was getting at is it might be TH was at the school after it was said she had left, and that is what LE is looking at, for backup sightings of her there after she said she had already left.

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/oregon.missing.boy.letter/index.html?hpt=Sbin

CNN is also saying that cell phone pings possibly placed her elsewhere at 8:45AM for what it is worth...

 

[amethyst221]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/oregon.missing.boy.letter/index.html?hpt=Sbin

CNN is also saying that cell phone pings possibly placed her elsewhere at 8:45AM for what it is worth...

You have to wonder if this came from that original reporting source, but has been refined or misunderstood to morph into this specific time allegedly being questioned.