How many people were at Skyline the morning of June 4?

[Deleted member 718]

**** by me to indicate the area I have a question about.

By saying that they don't have child care on site "these days" (the late opening), does it mean that on days when normal school hours are in effect that they do have child care on site? Does anyone know?

If so, was the child care there on the day of the science fair?

I don't have a child in elementary school so I don't understand the "child care...on these days" reference. Could someone please help?

Childcare: Before and afterschool care provided on site for a fee.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186

 

[Morag]

Although there were not too many more people in the school than on a normal day---on a normal day, there would not have been 275 children, all wandering the halls at the same time, which would be very noisy and perhaps rowdy- unless they were all walking in straight lines in perfect silence. (OT, but remember the Madeleine books?"...twelve little girls in two straight lines.")

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Just to be clear, I believe this policy is referring to late starts because of unexpected weather.

No mention of inclement weather. The "late start" is for staff planning meetings.

Excerpt from Skyline homepage memo:

This Wednesday is our first two hour late opening of this school year. When we have a two hour late opening school starts at 10:45. Students may arrive at school at 10:35 on these days.

These late opening days provide the staff an opportunity to get together as a group and develop and refine strategies to enhance instruction at Skyline. The staff and I go about this process through the use of a model that focuses on looking at student performance data to help set goals, reflect on effectiveness of instructional practice, and help plan next instructional steps. We will be sharing the goals and strategies we develop as a staff. Our aim in sharing these goals will be to highlight ways you can support these goals at home.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/

 

[Emeralgem]

No mention of inclement weather. The "late start" is for staff planning meetings.

Excerpt from Skyline homepage memo:

This Wednesday is our first two hour late opening of this school year. When we have a two hour late opening school starts at 10:45. Students may arrive at school at 10:35 on these days.

These late opening days provide the staff an opportunity to get together as a group and develop and refine strategies to enhance instruction at Skyline. The staff and I go about this process through the use of a model that focuses on looking at student performance data to help set goals, reflect on effectiveness of instructional practice, and help plan next instructional steps. We will be sharing the goals and strategies we develop as a staff. Our aim in sharing these goals will be to highlight ways you can support these goals at home.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/

In our county school distict we have In-Service days for teachers to discuss goals and strategies..Usually no school for students..
Late starts in our school district are usually due to inclement weather..

 

[loves2bmom]

No mention of inclement weather. The "late start" is for staff planning meetings.

Excerpt from Skyline homepage memo:

This Wednesday is our first two hour late opening of this school year. When we have a two hour late opening school starts at 10:45. Students may arrive at school at 10:35 on these days.

These late opening days provide the staff an opportunity to get together as a group and develop and refine strategies to enhance instruction at Skyline. The staff and I go about this process through the use of a model that focuses on looking at student performance data to help set goals, reflect on effectiveness of instructional practice, and help plan next instructional steps. We will be sharing the goals and strategies we develop as a staff. Our aim in sharing these goals will be to highlight ways you can support these goals at home.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/

Okay, that's a new one on me. Never heard of a late start for staff meetings. Have to go and ask around to my other PPS friends to see if this happens at their school or only unique to Skyline. Early dismissal (for meetings) is more common in my school. Wonder what the bus schedule is for those days?

 

[Lavender]

Here is an additional source stating that the environment was "hectic":

"Schreiber said she and her son, (omitted for TOS), 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping (omitted for TOS) fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

 

[BeanE]

Here is an additional source stating that the environment was "hectic":

"Schreiber said she and her son, (omitted for TOS), 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping (omitted for TOS) fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

I'm thinking a normal day would have about 300 people, primarily students, and cars and buses coming and going in the parking lot dropping off students, some parents going into the school to tell their child's teacher something perhaps.

A normal morning at the school would be hectic, until most of the students are dropped off and settled in class.

On June 4, about 50 more people. Most people again primarily children, and most of the extra people primarily adults.

Deviation from the schedule and routine, excitement of the fair and having parents visit, freedom to roam rather than get to class, probably all did have the children excited and more hyper than usual. That would up the hectic factor.

People, including the extra adults, roaming the halls, versus students going with a purpose to class to their seats and begin studies, would up the hectic factor.

Congestion in the small parking lot with extra cars to park, versus average day drop-off-and-go, would certainly have upped the hectic factor out there.

My sense is not many more people than a normal day, and several factors contributing to a more hectic atmosphere than usual.

I'm not sure if it would rise to the level of what I would term chaos, but people use words in different ways, based on difference in understanding of their meaning and application. Also their tolerance for busy environments - some people perceive chaos in even small crowds, and become anxious.

On the other hand, with Skyline's lack of attention to policies and procedures, that may be an indication that the school lacked organization in other areas as well, and a normal morning may well have risen to, or near, a level of chaos. I just don't know. But if so, the morning of June 4 may well have been what even I would term chaos.

At a minimum, I see factors would have definitely increased the level of how hectic that morning was. It's a matter of how much, and I just don't know.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

"Congestion in the small parking lot with extra cars to park, versus average day drop-off-and-go, would certainly have upped the hectic factor out there."

Respectfully snipped from BeanE's post. I'm still not clear on whether or not it was raining that morning, but folks coming and going with open umbrellas would have added to the "chaos" and difficulty in recognizing people even if you knew them. jmo

 

[gwenabob]

"Congestion in the small parking lot with extra cars to park, versus average day drop-off-and-go, would certainly have upped the hectic factor out there."

Respectfully snipped from BeanE's post. I'm still not clear on whether or not it was raining that morning, but folks coming and going with open umbrellas would have added to the "chaos" and difficulty in recognizing people even if you knew them. jmo

Respectfully, we're Oregonians. We have webbed feet. We don't do umbrellas. Thank you.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Respectfully, we're Oregonians. We have webbed feet. We don't do umbrellas. Thank you.

In that case, this website is a bit misleading

http://www.movingtoportland.net/portland_weather.htm

 

[loves2bmom]

Respectfully, we're Oregonians. We have webbed feet. We don't do umbrellas. Thank you.

Plus, it was only a slight mist. Gwen is right, we don't usually do umbrellas but we do alot of "hoodies" :floorlaugh:

 

[loves2bmom]

In that case, this website is a bit misleading

http://www.movingtoportland.net/portland_weather.htm

Bette, have you seen the Youtube video of the weather that day I posted a few times in other threads? It was a damp, misty, cool day. Intermitten windshield wipers kind of thing...

P.S. The website you posted doesn't mention umbrellas. It seems like a pretty accurate description of what it's like to me! Just sayin..

 

[Morag]

Plus, it was only a slight mist. Gwen is right, we don't usually do umbrellas but we do alot of "hoodies" :floorlaugh:

And when a person has his/her hood up, it's difficult to identify them from behind, or above.

 

[loves2bmom]

And when a person has his/her hood up, it's difficult to identify them from behind, or above.

Yep, very good point.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Bette, have you seen the Youtube video of the weather that day I posted a few times in other threads? It was a damp, misty, cool day. Intermitten windshield wipers kind of thing...

P.S. The website you posted doesn't mention umbrellas. It seems like a pretty accurate description of what it's like to me! Just sayin..

I was making reference to the "umbrella" over Portland in the photo

I saw the video, and it didn't look like a heavy rain that morning. Here in southeastern Michigan, if it's raining, most folks who are out and about would have an umbrella (I keep one in my car), pull a jacket over their heads, hold a newspaper over themselves, etc. - anything to not get wet When folks are more accustomed to rainy days, it's probably not a big deal. Michiganians do better with cold, ice, and snow

 

[debs]

Okay, Bette......I didn't wanna have to go there, but you ladies in MI are well known for your "nearer to God" hairdo's.....In the western US, we kinda just know to take it down a notch

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Okay, Bette......I didn't wanna have to go there, but you ladies in MI are well known for your "nearer to God" hairdo's.....In the western US, we kinda just know to take it down a notch

Point well taken Yep, no one wants to have a "flat" hair day Where the he!! is my AquaNet?

 

[Billylee]

Plus, it was only a slight mist. Gwen is right, we don't usually do umbrellas but we do alot of "hoodies" :floorlaugh:

Ditto that, I only pull out the umbrella for my mother-in-law so her "do" doesn't go down. We don't usually use umbrellas unless it's really coming down in buckets, and yes most all my jackets have hoods.

 

[gwenabob]

I feel fortunate that my wavy hair actually looks better when it is damp out. So I don't mind getting a little wet.

If we pulled out our umbrellas every time a little rain fell, we'd have to grow an extra arm to hold it. We just live with it and don't worry about hair dos. And only buy jackets that are water-proof!

 

[debs]

I kind figure that until the buses arrived at 8:35, the flow of parents/children was kind of minimal. Once all the kids arrived for school, though, and in that 10 minutes until class began at 8:45 (regular bell schedule, but having folks in to look at the science fair projects prior to school) could have been this side of crazy town. Kids love ANYTHING that allows them to buck the norm, like having to stay outside until the bell rings. That day they could go anywhere, and no doubt tried to cover as much ground as they could in those 10 minutes.