Case Review #1: Thread #3: LE Press Conferences & Release: June 7 2010

[Donjeta]

Twice as many students stayed home as usual, Shelby said, 45 compared to the typical 20 absentees.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html

Why? I thought everybody knew it was Terri.

Not sure why they'd have known anything so early but I expect that some parents had their children stay at home because the children were upset about Kyron or they didn't want them to be more upset about the search that was still going on in the school's surroundings. Maybe as a protest against lax school security

I doubt anybody feared a repeat attack. If it was a non-family perp the school was probably the safest place for children in the Portland area for that week, with all the police attention there.

[snarky] Maybe there was a normal number of children missing like any other day but the Skyline staff just noticed the majority of them for a change. [/snarky]

 

[BeanE]

While police said there was no indication Monday that Kyron Horman was kidnapped, the FBI called in a profiler who could help identify a possible kidnapper.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95834519.html?

I didn't hear LE say that, and I watched that video three times.

Misinformation. Where's my goat?

ETA: Some more possibly. From this article:

The profiler will also make a profile of Horman based on what he learns from family, friends and teachers. That information could also tell the profiler and agents what type of person would target Horman.

And that's exactly what the profiler says in the video. Could. Another article, I'll bet one of Katu's associates, stated it as fact that that's what the profilers were doing IIRC.

 

[BeanE]

The school site plan including THE EXITS!

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/gs00023978a-ptskylinejpg-3e4807f75305f24b.jpg

Thank you!!!! :blowkiss:

 

[Billylee]

The school site plan including THE EXITS!

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/gs00023978a-ptskylinejpg-3e4807f75305f24b.jpg

Thank you!!!! Seven exits. Now which ones are the monitored and which ones are "secured", which I assume means locked from the OUTSIDE? Somebody out there must know that.

 

[Donjeta]

Why are two exits marked in yellow?

 

[jadejazzkayla]

The school site plan including THE EXITS!

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/gs00023978a-ptskylinejpg-3e4807f75305f24b.jpg

for the directionally challenged can someone give the north south east west info for this nice map showing the exits.

 

[BeanE]

for the directionally challenged can someone give the north south east west info for this nice map showing the exits.

Main Entrance is South.

 

[STEADFAST]

for the directionally challenged can someone give the north south east west info for this nice map showing the exits.

 

[Jade2010]

Thank you!!!! Seven exits. Now which ones are the monitored and which ones are "secured", which I assume means locked from the OUTSIDE? Somebody out there must know that.

Etilema shared this info in another thread:

According to page 8 of this document:

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf

"For security purposes, only the main entrance and East
door will be unlocked during school hours."

So the boys that were out looking at the flower beds either held the door open or it locked them out and they had to go around to another exit? Would they have to go down the stairs? Or is there a pathway close to the school wall?

ETA: Looks like that handbook has been removed from the site

 

[BeanE]

Etilema shared this info in another thread:

According to page 8 of this document:

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf

"For security purposes, only the main entrance and East
door will be unlocked during school hours."

So the boys that were out looking at the flower beds either held the door open or it locked them out and they had to go around to another exit? Would they have to go down the stairs? Or is there a pathway close to the school wall?

ETA: Looks like that handbook has been removed from the site

Well isn't that interesting... Perhaps if someone saved a copy, they would be kind enough to upload it to a file storage site, and link it in.

Maybe we better do that with the other school documents.

I *really* don't like it when people start removing and hiding information. Particularly in a missing child's case.

 

[SurfieTX]

Well isn't that interesting... Perhaps if someone saved a copy, they would be kind enough to upload it to a file storage site, and link it in.

Maybe we better do that with the other school documents.

I *really* don't like it when people start removing and hiding information. Particularly in a missing child's case.

My take on this is that they are re-vamping the handbook with the new security measures, rules for absences, etc.

 

[BeanE]

According to page 8 of this document:

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf

"For security purposes, only the main entrance and East
door will be unlocked during school hours."[/I]

So the boys that were out looking at the flower beds either held the door open or it locked them out and they had to go around to another exit? Would they have to go down the stairs? Or is there a pathway close to the school wall?

On the east side in the picture is where the buses parked that day. The door that does not have the 'E' on it is what I keep referring to as the portico door. This is the door the children arriving on buses went into.

The flower bed kids could go out any door. My understanding is that the locking is that people can't go in, but to comply with fire regulations, all doors can be exited from the inside.

The flower bed kids could go out any door without being caught, if indeed they were unsupervised, except for the main entrance and portico doors, which would have had a monitor who would have seen them. The monitor could, of course, have allowed them to go out.

Coming back in, the flower bed kids (I love saying that), if unsupervised, would have had to walk around to the main entrance or to the portico on the east. When they went back in, whether supervised or not, the monitors at those doors should have seen them.

 

[nursebeeme]

Well isn't that interesting... Perhaps if someone saved a copy, they would be kind enough to upload it to a file storage site, and link it in.

Maybe we better do that with the other school documents.

I *really* don't like it when people start removing and hiding information. Particularly in a missing child's case.

why do you think they are hiding information? What if they are updating it for the new school year???

 

[BeanE]

why do you think they are hiding information? What if they are updating it for the new school year???

They removed it. It is therefore hidden. :waitasec:

I have no idea why they removed and are hiding it. You'd have to ask them.

If they're updating, they could, of course, leave the old doc up until the new one is ready, then post the new one. That's how these things are most often done.

 

[BeanE]

Case Review Reference Links - Additional June 7 News Article & Video

Sighting Prompts Truck Driver To Call Tip Line
POSTED: 5:56 pm PDT June 7, 2010

Article: http://www.kptv.com/news/23824427/detail.html

Video: http://www.kptv.com/video/23824775/index.html

 

[Billylee]

On the east side in the picture is where the buses parked that day. The door that does not have the 'E' on it is what I keep referring to as the portico door. This is the door the children arriving on buses went into.

The flower bed kids could go out any door. My understanding is that the locking is that people can't go in, but to comply with fire regulations, all doors can be exited from the inside.

The flower bed kids could go out any door without being caught, if indeed they were unsupervised, except for the main entrance and portico doors, which would have had a monitor who would have seen them. The monitor could, of course, have allowed them to go out.

Coming back in, the flower bed kids (I love saying that), if unsupervised, would have had to walk around to the main entrance or to the portico on the east. When they went back in, whether supervised or not, the monitors at those doors should have seen them.

Maybe they stuck something in the door they went out of to keep it from closing behind them? It's too bad those other doors/emergency exit doors? don't have some sort of alarm on them.

 

[Billylee]

http://www.kptv.com/news/23816333/detail.html

Investigators Sifting Through Hundreds Of Tips
Portland Second-Grader Missing Since Friday Morning

POSTED: 6:50 am PDT June 7, 2010
UPDATED: 2:59 pm PDT June 10, 2010



Shelby said the school normally requires visitors and guests to sign in and wear a visitor badge, but did not comment if that was the case Friday morning.


Interestingly, not "could not" comment, like LE told him not to, but "did not" comment, like.....UH OH.

 

[gitana1]

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Maybe they stuck something in the door they went out of to keep it from closing behind them? It's too bad those other doors/emergency exit doors? don't have some sort of alarm on them.

I think they should just have alarms on the doors instead of locking them. What happens if there is a fire or earthquake?

 

[BeanE]

I think they should just have alarms on the doors instead of locking them. What happens if there is a fire or earthquake?

My understanding is that, to comply with fire regulations, the doors are locked so that you can exit, just not enter.

 

[gitana1]

My understanding is that, to comply with fire regulations, the doors are locked so that you can exit, just not enter.

Okay, that makes sense!