What are the consistencies in the Routier's stories?

[deanws]

Darlie didn't have the life most of us have either. At least not that early in life.

I think I said Darlie didn't have much time to be promiscuous. If she dated Darin from 15 to marriage, she obviously was not. I think your initial claim was that she slept around. I really don't want to go back to age 14 to try to dig something up on her. There is no evidence that she was ever promiscuous so let's just let it go. Okay?

I thought we had already worked out that issue Goody. :hand:

 

[beesy]

Because that is generally where the depressed theory goes

Not for me. I have never ever thought Darlie just snapped. I am not letting that woman off that easy

I am not so sure that is true. Do you not believe that some people who commit murder are not screwed up? Good people do rotten things all the time. Just look what people do to each other in a divorce. It is amazing how they change when pitted against each other. You always hear inlaws say, "And she/he used to be so nice." LOL! O, and let's not forget those people who pray over their business deals. They will cut your throat in a NY second and come out the other side looking very ladylike/gentlemanly, popping right back into their nice mode

But how can you be a "good" person if you kill someone? Is that included in your description of a nice guy? I think what people do during divorces or business deals is not the same as murder, unless they murder of course. People can be very mean and nasty, and still be a "good" person. I think you cross the line when you kill. In my book, ya ain't so good anymore.

I think Darlie was depressed but I don't think she suffered from chronic depression which is what some of your posts (or maybe Pam's) describe. Eventually chronic depression might have been in the charts for her, but I think she was years away from that being a reality. I think the diet pills contributed, not to her depression but to her nervousness, edginess which was a constant irritant. Money issues did, however, contribute to her depression and her irratability. In many ways it is all entwined, but I don't think one photo of her looking sad tells us anything at all about her psyche

I don't know the definition of chronically depressed. I know there is a type of depression, darn I can't think of the name, but it simmers and is always lurking in the background making a person unable to deal with things others could. You just said you think she was depressed, that's all I've been saying. And it's not just that picture either. The picture just floored me. It is such a contrast. She doesn't even look like the same person. I have been saying exactly what you just said. What started the depression? I don't know. Was it the pregnancy? That is when Basia first noticed Darlie acting odd, taking to her bed and not showering, etc. I've always thought the diet pills helped move things along too. Darlie probably felt nothing was going right for her anymore. The things that were the most annoying to her? Those boys.

 

[Goody]

Also, diet pills have been known to cause depression. It is not one thing, but MANY things that point to the fact that she was depressed. I know we both see that. Also, sleep disturbances are another sign of depression. A loss of energy and a change in your habits are all classic signs. I looked at this check list and she seems to fit the bill. Of course I am not a doctor...but my son is well on his way of being one! :dance: AND a SHRINK at that! LOL:woohoo:

Depressed mood
Persistent feelings of hopelessness, guilt or worthlessness
Fatigue or lack of energy
Slowed behavior (the feeling of "dragging oneself around")
Reduction or loss of pleasure in life
Decreased motivation
Negative or pessimistic thinking
Loss of interest in friends, activities, hobbies or work
Change in eating habits; weight gain or loss
Sleep problems, including waking up early
Frequent crying
Difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions
Irritability
Being anxious or worried a lot
Thoughts of death or suicide
Suicide attempt

Like I said, there is some evidence she was depressed but nothing to indicate that she was suffering from chronic depression. She had not lost interest in friends and family. She dressed sloppily on some days and some days she didn't. Sounds normal to me. No one is perfectly made up everyday even if they don't suffer from depression.

Besides I am not saying she was not depressed. I think she was, too. I just don't think you can look at photos and tell if she was or not. Esp hers. Just because she has a bunch of photos showing a smiling Darlie and one that shows what might be a sad Darlie hardly means it is proof of a serious depression.

So tell me, if she was depressed as you say, did she snap out frustration or disallusionment? It is hard to envision a plot to kill if someone doesn't have the energy to get out of bed in the morning.

 

[Goody]

No one said that she killed the boys because she didn't have a girl. Goody...you jump to some strange conclusions. I said that it was another factor in her overall depressive state of mind.

O,it has been suggested many times around here.

 

[Goody]

I think it was planned too. Darlie had alot of time to stew while Darin was driving Dana home that night. What you said about heat rising ws pretty funny :furious: . I think she probably had it in her head for several months, or more, that her life would be better without the boys. I don't think she planned it for that long, but I think it was there simmering away. She was too accepting of their deaths too quickly.
What made it happen that night? I don't know, but I don't think she just start hacking away. And I think she always planned to kill both boys. I do not think Damon was killed because he had to be.

The attack on Damon was not nearly as enthusiastic as the one on Devon, so maybe she was tired when she attacked Damon or she had calmed down if anger was an issue in the Devon attack.

 

[deanws]

Like I said, there is some evidence she was depressed but nothing to indicate that she was suffering from chronic depression. She had not lost interest in friends and family. She dressed sloppily on some days and some days she didn't. Sounds normal to me. No one is perfectly made up everyday even if they don't suffer from depression.

Besides I am not saying she was not depressed. I think she was, too. I just don't think you can look at photos and tell if she was or not. Esp hers. Just because she has a bunch of photos showing a smiling Darlie and one that shows what might be a sad Darlie hardly means it is proof of a serious depression.

So tell me, if she was depressed as you say, did she snap out frustration or disallusionment? It is hard to envision a plot to kill if someone doesn't have the energy to get out of bed in the morning.

No, I think there is evidence that she planned it. I think it had been going through her mind from time to time. I think she wanted to be the center of attention. I think she thought there would be book deals, movie deals, and a "0h...poor Darlie....awwww". Also, the chance to have that little girl and not be so tied down with two lively little boys.

 

[deanws]

O,it has been suggested many times around here.

No...we said it was a stick in a huge pile of twigs.

 

[Goody]

Do yall remember when she told everyone that she and Darin were going to Europe to get surgery and try to conceive the girl she had been wanting? Now that sounds like she was just going to start over with a clean slate. WTH!?!? That statement always bugged me!

That was a claim made by someone in a book. It has never been proven that she said it. No one has come forward to support the one person's claim that it was said. So maybe that is true and maybe it isn't. If she said it though it does make you wonder.

 

[deanws]

O/T for a sec. Did either of yall read Jim's book Blind Sight?

Did yall see this question?

 

[Goody]

No, I think there is evidence that she planned it. I think it had been going through her mind from time to time. I think she wanted to be the center of attention. I think she thought there would be book deals, movie deals, and a "0h...poor Darlie....awwww". Also, the chance to have that little girl and not be so tied down with two lively little boys.

With her luck, she'd have a tomboy who was rowdier than the boys. LOL! All girls don't come with buttons and bows.

A lot of what you say is true though. And who knows? Maybe it was a bigger deal to her than I have thought. I can be a little more open on that.

 

[beesy]

I could be wrong but I don't think that happened. I think whatever went down was much more sinister than that and that is why nobody will turn state's evidence against the other

Killing your sons because your life would be easier is not sinister? Then what is?

I also don't think there is any evidence that she didn't want Drake. Yes, she was disappointed but once she adjusted to it, she loved him...as much as Darlie can love she loved him. Otherwise, he would have been kidnapped and found later in a nearby creek or something.

Right and there's the problem. I don't think Darlie really loved/loves anybody.

I still can't really put it all together. There are so many conflicting points that it is difficult to light on any one theory and feel confident about it. For awhile I was convinced that the depression played a major role in it, but there are too many loose ends that don't connect to that theory. And don't ask me what they are because my head is foggy tonight. Something about Darin just bugs the crap out of me and I can't seem to find a suitable slot to put him in. Same way with the depression thingy for Darlie. Something about it just doesn't fit right. I mean, it fits but it doesn't fit. Either way though we aren't going to get any clues on it from her photos. That was my initial critcism

I only pointed out the picture because it was so different than the rest. I did not decide from it that she was depressed. Give me a little bit more credit than that Goody. It makes no sense to "diagnose" somebody from a picture and that's not what I did. I think it, along with Basia's remarks about Darlie not doing anything, do tell us something. If I hadn't read about Darlie looking unkempt and locking herself in her room, I would have never noticed that picture. The picture made me begin to think that maybe there was a change in Darlie that year. The picture gave me pause, nothing more.

 

[deanws]

That was a claim made by someone in a book. It has never been proven that she said it. No one has come forward to support the one person's claim that it was said. So maybe that is true and maybe it isn't. If she said it though it does make you wonder.

Whatever. I believe it. She said it to her friends and she said it to her sister.

 

[Goody]

Whatever. I believe it. She said it to her friends and she said it to her sister.

Okay. You know more than I do. When did she say this and to whom? Can we get verification? You gotta share your sources now.

There I deleted the manipulation. I thought I was being nice but I guess that is not allowed anymore. Fine. :slap:

 

[deanws]

Okay. You know more than I do. When did she say this and to whom? Can we get verification? You gotta share your sources now. :blowkiss:

Now didn't you jump all over beesy for saying sarcastic crap like this the other day? I believe you called her manipulative and condescending.

 

[beesy]

O/T for a sec. Did either of yall read Jim's book Blind Sight?

Jim from here? And no I don't remember them saying they were going to Europe to try to make a girl. My friend wanted 2 more children, but her husband didn't want anymore girls. So she timed her cycle, took her temp, all of that stuff and gave him his boy. But, he fooled her, he still didn't want anymore, but this time his excuse was that they have both sexes now. And yes, I think he's a jerk.

 

[beesy]

Darlie didn't have the life most of us have either. At least not that early in life.

I think I said Darlie didn't have much time to be promiscuous. If she dated Darin from 15 to marriage, she obviously was not. I think your initial claim was that she slept around. I really don't want to go back to age 14 to try to dig something up on her. There is no evidence that she was ever promiscuous so let's just let it go. Okay?

Yes, it was, but I said I misunderstood. I have let that go. When I posted about the boyfriend, I was just saying that Darin was not her first beau

 

[deanws]

What is condescending about this post?

The "okay...you know more than I do". I am not going to post with you if you keep acting like that. I will just ignore you. I don't play games like that. I told you my source. I told you who she said it to. It is common knowledge that she had said she and Darin were going to Europe to repair her scar and to try for that girl that she had been wanting. 90% of what we know about the "behind the scenes" stuff came from interviews when the authors wrote the books. I read three books. Unless the authors met and decided on the gossip together...it must be true because they all said some of the same stuff. I don't care whether YOU believe it or not. I said I believed it. I think I made that pretty clear in my post. Pick on someone else Goody. I am not taking it from you.

 

[beesy]

Okay. You know more than I do. When did she say this and to whom? Can we get verification? You gotta share your sources now.

There I deleted the manipulation. I thought I was being nice but I guess that is not allowed anymore. Fine. :slap:

Hey! Wait a minute! Did you call me a manipulator again? You didn't delete the first one from last night. So you said it again? And why is that nice?

 

[deanws]

Jim from here? And no I don't remember them saying they were going to Europe to try to make a girl. My friend wanted 2 more children, but her husband didn't want anymore girls. So she timed her cycle, took her temp, all of that stuff and gave him his boy. But, he fooled her, he still didn't want anymore, but this time his excuse was that they have both sexes now. And yes, I think he's a jerk. [url="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_4_133.gif"]http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_4_133.gif[/url]

It is in the books. Twice from different books. Yes...Jim from here. I read Blind Sight and it was wonderful. His other book is due out pretty soon. I could let you borrow it if you would like. It is a fictional suspense novel. I could hardly put it down once I started reading it. O/T...the headaches are back. I think I am going to call Houston next week and try to get in earlier to do that work up. I am getting a little nervous. I don't want another stroke.:doh:

 

[deanws]

Hey! Wait a minute! Did you call me a manipulator again? You didn't delete the first one from last night. So you said it again? And why is that nice?

No...go back and read the page before. She didn't call you one again.