What do we really know about dec 24 .06

[Zman]

Good point, Nuisanceposter.

Why back yourself as a perp into a windowless room with no way out should someone happen upon you as you do whatever to the child?

Unless your two and one is a lookout.

I could buy that if the Ramseys had followed the instructions in the ransom note to the letter, but they didn't; they not only called police despite the direct warning in the note not to, they called over five of their friends - as if they knew there was no need to adhere to the instructions in the ransom note. Their daughter was already dead in the basement, therefore the "kidnapper" can't decapitate her if the Ramseys call police + 5. IMO, that was a big tip-off that the Ramseys knew more than they admit to knowing.

This one still makes me chuckle.

What difference does it make what the RN says? Do you think any RN would say "call the police and we will give JBR some candy and soda"?

Your daughter is kidnapped! This is America not Brazil.
You call the police right away.

 

[Becba]

They have good DNA in the chase murder and it's supposedly that of a hispanic or Native American Indian. A metal bat was used to fracture her skull in several places---and she was redressed.

LE had a picture of a metal bat and PR said it must have been BR's but that it was not in an area it usually was. It was propped up in the yard but not where PR said BR used to play with it. Though kids leave toys everywhere. Just interesting there was a metal bat there.

 

[Brefie]

Unless your two and one is a lookout.

Interesting....where does number 2 wait?

What difference does it make what the RN says? Do you think any RN would say "call the police and we will give JBR some candy and soda"?

Your daughter is kidnapped! This is America not Brazil.
You call the police right away.

Again with this? You might mention what the RN threatens, instead of, "She's blonde."

 

[Zman]

Interesting....where does number 2 wait?





Again with this? You might mention what the RN threatens, instead of, "She's blonde."

Don't know....top of stairs? kitchen writing RN?

In reply to the post. It's impossible for PR to follow the RN note to the letter because she did not read the entire RN before calling the ploice.

Let me ask you Brefie.
Whats stranger?
A. PR who has just found out her daughter has been kidnapped begining give a description of her daughter, perhaps out of being nervous.
or
B. A 911 dispatcher under no pressure asking PR who signed the RN?

If you ask me the answer is B.

I would be wondering if SBTC was some kind of code for someone in LE.
Why would she ask that?

 

[Brefie]

Don't know....top of stairs? kitchen writing RN?

I would be wondering if SBTC was some kind of code for someone in LE.
Why would she ask that?

Seems to me, if a look out is in the kitchen writing the RN, hears someone moving upstairs, s/he probably has to run to the basement to tell the other perp. Now they are both trapped in the basement with the very person the parents are going to search for, therefore finding both perps. As far as I know the basement was not a walk out basement.

Same with a top of stairs deal - either way seems pretty hard to get out of the house should they ahve heard someone - amatuer (sp?) stuff for folks who eventually got away with murder.

I am not sure what the last statement means. Are you implying that someone in LE is responsible?

I don't believe for a second that in Patsy's brief scanning of the note, she failed to pick up on any threats against JBR by talking to anyone. It's not like it was a cryptic warning, it was pretty clear. I would also think that a dispatcher should be trained to ask immediately if the note mentions such a warning, don't most of them? I doubt any RDI thinks the police are faultless - if they were, a Ramsey or two would be sitting in jail today.

 

[Zman]

Seems to me, if a look out is in the kitchen writing the RN, hears someone moving upstairs, s/he probably has to run to the basement to tell the other perp. Now they are both trapped in the basement with the very person the parents are going to search for, therefore finding both perps. As far as I know the basement was not a walk out basement.

Same with a top of stairs deal - either way seems pretty hard to get out of the house should they ahve heard someone - amatuer (sp?) stuff for folks who eventually got away with murder.

I am not sure what the last statement means. Are you implying that someone in LE is responsible?

I don't believe for a second that in Patsy's brief scanning of the note, she failed to pick up on any threats against JBR by talking to anyone. It's not like it was a cryptic warning, it was pretty clear. I would also think that a dispatcher should be trained to ask immediately if the note mentions such a warning, don't most of them? I doubt any RDI thinks the police are faultless - if they were, a Ramsey or two would be sitting in jail today.

Again a simple question goes unanswered. Thanks anyway. I know that was a tough one.

If the intruders have already planned to use the basement window as their exit then they are not trapped down in the basement. One could run down the basement tell the other and dart out the window.

Not to mention we are assuming the intruder would be afraid of someone waking up. Maybe they would not be. Maybe they would have just killed them too.

Its a 3 page RN. PR did not say she scanned the note she said she read the first couple lines.

 

[Brefie]

Again a simple question goes unanswered. Thanks anyway. I know that was a tough one.

Again, you are completely obnoxious. Oh well.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

If the intruders have already planned to use the basement window as their exit then they are not trapped down in the basement. One could run down the basement tell the other and dart out the window.

"Dart out the window"? What window? The room JonBenet was found in had no windows. The windows in the train room right next to it measure 18 X 30 inches. It seems rather unlikely to me that an intruder and his accomplice are planning to swiftly and silently exit out these small windows in the room next to the one the child is in if they are discovered by any waking family members.

 

[Linda7NJ]

:laugh: "intruders" ..............snicker..........

 

[Brefie]

:laugh: "intruders" ..............snicker..........

LOL

 

[Rupert]

:laugh: "intruders" ..............snicker..........

Aw c'mon. If the RDI then the mystery is over. Except maybe what caused the stun gun marks?

The intrigue would then be: How can you PROVE the RDI? Any ideas besides opinions?

What a crime for them to put up such a lie in front of all the world and yet they're Christian?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Some of the most religious people I've known have been flagrant sinners. Maybe they're hiding behind a cloak of Christianity. I think almost everything about Patsy is a facade anyway.

 

[Zman]

Again, you are completely obnoxious. Oh well.

I didn't think we were allowed to personally attack other posters?

Again you don't answer the question. Oh Well.

Sticks and stones.................

"Dart out the window"? What window? The room JonBenet was found in had no windows. The windows in the train room right next to it measure 18 X 30 inches. It seems rather unlikely to me that an intruder and his accomplice are planning to swiftly and silently exit out these small windows in the room next to the one the child is in if they are discovered by any waking family members..

Well they would not need that much time if one of them was a lookout. Plus maybe they already tested the window as their possible exit.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

They would need time if one of them was a look out and the other was the molester/killer. The l/o needs to get down silently to the m/k and let him know that someone is coming, then they both need to silently get into the train room and over the little tiny windows and scramble out before they are seen or heard. Suppose the l/o has to interrupt the m/k while he's in the middle of molesting/killing JonBenet. Now they have to worry that she might scream or try to escape, thus alerting any people upstairs that there is something amiss in the basement. And the ransom note...did they intend to abduct her or not? Were they going to take her out the window? And when previously would they have had time to test it? Wasn't this night conveniently the only time the Ramseys forgot to set their house alarm system? And the pineapple...I know, Z man, that you think it was eaten earlier, but that's only because there is no way one or two or more intruders got JonBenet to sit and and eat it an hour before she died.

 

[Zman]

They would need time if one of them was a look out and the other was the molester/killer. The l/o needs to get down silently to the m/k and let him know that someone is coming, then they both need to silently get into the train room and over the little tiny windows and scramble out before they are seen or heard. Suppose the l/o has to interrupt the m/k while he's in the middle of molesting/killing JonBenet. Now they have to worry that she might scream or try to escape, thus alerting any people upstairs that there is something amiss in the basement. And the ransom note...did they intend to abduct her or not? Were they going to take her out the window? And when previously would they have had time to test it? Wasn't this night conveniently the only time the Ramseys forgot to set their house alarm system? And the pineapple...I know, Z man, that you think it was eaten earlier, but that's only because there is no way one or two or more intruders got JonBenet to sit and and eat it an hour before she died.

Actually I don't know what they intended. I really have no set theory on how this was done. Mostly I just don't see anything that suggests to me that PR or JR had anything to do with it.
I do believe that JBR was already dead when she got to the basement.
I still don't think she was sexually molested.
Mostly just humiliated.

 

[Brefie]

I didn't think we were allowed to personally attack other posters?

Well, I would rather be upfront about it, rather than choose your way of thinly veiling insults.......

Again a simple question goes unanswered. Thanks anyway. I know that was a tough one.

 

[narlacat]

Aw c'mon. If the RDI then the mystery is over. Except maybe what caused the stun gun marks?

The intrigue would then be: How can you PROVE the RDI? Any ideas besides opinions?

What a crime for them to put up such a lie in front of all the world and yet they're Christian?

The stun gun theory has in no way been proven.
Lou Smit was so wrong about other stuff, what makes you think he got that right??
Surely you are not suggesting the Ramsey's had nothing to do with the death of daughter JUST because they are christian's?? That's ridiculous.

 

[dingo]

Im wondering how Patsy celebrates Christmas nowa days[or in Christmases past].Does she have a quite Christmas in rememberence of JBR ,are there any memorials placed in any newspapers,flowers placed on the grave,church masses to pray for JBRs soul,any of that sort of thing.With PRs ongoing illness and the events of 1996 this must be a very depressing time of year for her.

 

[Zman]

Well, I would rather be upfront about it, rather than choose your way of thinly veiling insults.......

And I would rather you just answer the question rather than spin your RDI propaganda all the time.

You thought it was thin?

 

[dingo]

My thread seems to have gone south