What do you think could be done to break this case?

[cluciano63]

These two will never take responsibility willingly. Nor are they are not motivated to do so, given that the punishment for drug charges are so harsh. The consequences of telling the truth about Haleigh needs to be less than the consequences of not telling. The lover/family member has to become the threat, not the partner in crime.

very true...and as i have said before, they do not seem to have any fear of being discovered which does not bode well for LE finding Haleigh without their help...I don't think they (MC, etc) are in the loop about crimes without bodies being prosecuted all the time...they are convinced that if she is not found, they won't be charged. It reminds me of when i was a child and thought that if i closed my eyes, no one could see me...

 

[Kimster]

Talking about who likes who leads to this problem: ***Important notice to posters in Haleigh's forum*** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Knock it off!

Posts that state that "LE considers RC a suspect because....." are fine. Stop using words about who likes who because eventually that leads to bashing.

 

[Dion]

Just as it's been helpful seeing the interaction of M and R with family members on video/recordings, I think it would be useful to get more of their "friends" that they used to hang out with, interviewed on shows such as Levi's.

As with the interview with CJ, it paints a picture that we would otherwise not have, such as when he said how M used him to pick her up and when he was waiting for her to use the bathroom, she escaped by jumping out the window to rendezvous with Ron. That's weird behaviour, even for her!

I realize these friends are not lily white themselves. If they hang around with M & R they are probably into all sorts of things as well, however, they are the ones who could maybe provide patterns of behaviour or recall past incidents that may be helpful in providing information. They might not even know they have anything of interest to tell, but a snippet here and there, adds up.

For example, I'm wondering if M ever sold her body for drugs. Was the MH ever used to deal drugs? Did anyone ever see R mistreat or neglect Haleigh? That type of thing.

Where normally people would keep quiet, so as not to incriminate themselves, and would not want to subject themselves to a grilling by a NG-type person, a low key call-in show might offer a more comfortable environment.

Now that these folks are behind bars, it might encourage more of their peers to come forward and tell what they know, however innocuous it might seem.

 

[Mysterylover]

I think that Haleigh OD'd on THEIR drugs and both have been covering every since.
I think they all know whats going on, including TN and GGS, so therefore I think that they are going to have to squeeze them REALLY hard to get someone to break, because each is covering for the other one.

butterfly, good points!

grandma's over around 7:00, 'supposely' bringing cloths when M. is washing cloths.
It's my opinion they came over for other reasons that evening.

Yet the grandma's didn't baby sit, when they knew M. had made plans to babysit elsewhere.

Those 20 phone calls R. made to M,

the scratched van,
the missing blanket

3 different dogs hitting on the dumpster ....

pistol found in a ditch
boat house burned down

I can't believe this was all 'coincidence'.

So it leads me to suspect atleast 4 knows what happened to this child.

 

[Dion]

butterfly, good points!

grandma's over around 7:00, 'supposely' bringing cloths when M. is washing cloths.
It's my opinion they came over for other reasons that evening.

Yet the grandma's didn't baby sit, when they knew M. had made plans to babysit elsewhere.

Those 20 phone calls R. made to M,

the scratched van,
the missing blanket

3 different dogs hitting on the dumpster ....

pistol found in a ditch
boat house burned down

I can't believe this was all 'coincidence'.

So it leads me to suspect atleast 4 knows what happened to this child.

So possibly a body could have been placed in the dumpster wrapped in a blanket, and then later retrieved by van?

This would explain the scent, but I can't see this happening, as it would require 2 trips to the dumpster and if a body had to be hidden for a period of time (ie to get it out of the house, while plans were made, it would be easier to hide (and retrieve) in brush somewhere where there would be less likelihood of being seen. If hidden in brush, then it could explain the scratches to the van.

Could the blanket or something else (clothes or an object of some kind) have been thrown in the dumpster and then as an afterthought retrieved".

From what I've seen of Florida terrain, there could be so many places to conceal a body, and if transportation was available, then chances are it would not be anywhere near the crime scene.

ps. I don't like referring to Haleigh as "a body" but this is all speculation.

 

[dodie20]

I think LE needs to get in their heads & strip these two of their celebrity and entitlement status. Make them realize how heinous and horrible killing a child is. Let them know that the fun and games are over and that most people are grossed out, creeped out, & bewildered by them. Also, inform them of some of the more farfetched theories that are out there-everything from feeding Haleigh to alligators to having her cremated. In other words, bring them down to reality & strip away their cool factor. Because they do think they're cool & they think people see them as admirable for not snitching.

 

[Beatrice]

Celexa? I would have left her in the depths of despair.

Misty won't talk because she is directly involved. IMO
She's in a no-win situation.
Drug charges or homocide/kidnapping charges.............

 

[Daisy47]

IMO, they are going to have to turn Misty against Ron. I think I might play up the phone calls to the girlfriend and it's going to take more than what they have right now. The new girlfriend is offering him money, Ron wants pictures of her and her children, etc. IMO, Misty is still a teenage girl in love with this gun toting bad boy. She's also the jealous type, as evidenced by her post to Amber about getting her man. This new girlfriend (AD) also sounds like she is the type that likes bad boys, so would be a true rival to Misty in every sense of the word.

I think LE might already be trying this tactic if they've played her tapes of Ron saying he was only involved with the drug trafficking to get Misty to talk, blah, blah. Ah, but Misty knows this was pre-arranged with Ron, that he would be saying this to LE and the public.

IMO, Misty has to feel scorned, because truly, hell hath no fury...

I completely agree with your train of thought here, Sue. Like you said though, they’re gonna’ need a lot more than what we heard on the phone call with AD before Misty breaks.
I fell in "love" at the age of 12 (yes TWELVE yrs old :loser with a "bad boy," my next door neighbor. My parents were very strict and I was considered a "goodie two shoes" by my peers @ the time we moved next door. It was to his advantage that we'd moved from out of state and I didn't know anyone. Before I had a chance to meet people and make other friends (school was out at the time), I was completely and utterly devoted to him. I did whatever, whenever and wherever he asked. To h3ll with my loving parents and my younger sisters (to whom I needed to be a good role model), to h3ll with my values, to h3ll with everyone and everything but HIM. My poor parents....I'll never forgive myself for what I put them through during those years. New neighbor boy was already BAD TO THE BONE (his older brothers are to thank for that) at just 13 yrs old. To say his father was politically connected would be an understatement.....he was the chief of police in the major city that we lived on the outskirts of. He got his boys out of everything, and trust me, they did some BAD bad bad things...

Ok, I had to cut myself off up there (and dang it was hard to do - lol)! Sorry 'bout that. I could go on and on and on about the similarities (of which I am not at all proud) from that time of my life and the players in this case, but I promise I'll try not to! It's just that ever since we began sleuthing what happened to sweet HaLeigh, memories and feelings from my childhood, (12 yo to 20 yo to be exact) to which I have given almost no thought in 30 years, have resurfaced again as I desperately try to understand the players in this case. Falling for the aforementioned "bad boy" led me to become a part of a crowd very much like RC and Co. Our drugs of choice being the only real difference. I don't think we had hydrocodone or oxycodone or meth in those days. Valiums, THC, and qualudes (sp?) were my thing. Okay, again I digressed, so FINALLY….my original point SoSueMe (luv the name) is this. I believe RC will easily persuade MC that the carp he's talkin' to this girl on the phone is somehow to benefit her (Misty). i.e.: “Misty baby, u know I gots to be playin’ that ho like this so I can score some dough for you baby, so you’re not starvin’ up in here. It’s all for you. Dam* baby, u ever think about how hard this is on ME? You should be thankin me for havin ta spend MY time on phone rappin with this chick, and here you is gettin all pizzed and chit. No more talk about her, ya hear me baby? Don't even let dat ho enter ur mind no more. Dam baby, I been gettin sick to my dam stomach every day baby, just missin you so bad. Can't ya feel it baby? Ya gots ta feel it…u gots to know that me and you, we got sumpin’ special, baby. Ain’t nobody ever gonna separate us, no matter how hard they try. We in this together forever, there’s no one else for me, baby, and you know can’t nobody take care of you the way I do, baby. etc etc etc.” I've no doubt that he could convince MC the moon is made of cheese if he tried! She's young, in love, and most importantly, needs/wants to believe everything RC tells her. He's a control freak and a con man (IMO), making young girls the perfect targets for his cunning ways. IMHO, your suggestion quoted above IS what will ultimately lead us to know what happened to sweet and lively HaLeigh. But it's going to take MC becoming absolutely furious with Ron (and willing to lose him forever) before she will "break." Hopefully, LE will come up with something on RC that gets her to that boiling point, and SOON.raying:

ETA: Geez.....such RAMBLING! I'm embarrassed now. :blushing:

 

[dodie20]

& from your own life experiences, I bet you can relate to these people. I know I can. Being young, dumb, invincible, can't see further ahead than tomorrow...I also understand people, even adults, covering up & not snitching. just scared of the ramifications-even small ones, like having a family member mad @ them. Problems have a way of looking larger than they are, & then all of the lies build up & make it hard to turn back. Somebody in this case needs to realize this & say, 'enough is enough', & get back to the simple truth. Because whatever happened, I do think it's simple, but has become so convuluted because of the fighting, the cover-up, & most of all, the lies.

 

[Beatrice]

What do you think could be done to break this case?

Tell Misty & Tommy that Ron and others have been released.

 

[dodie20]

What do you think could be done to break this case?

Tell Misty & Tommy that Ron and others have been released.

or they could tell Misty & Tommy that Ron's drug tapes are 'messed up' or broken & that he passed a new lie detector with flying colors & is probably gonna be released. & then turn around & tell Ron the same thing about Misty.

 

[dodie20]

& speaking of lie detectors, the only sources I remember claiming that Ron had passed, are Nancy Grace & Ron, himself-but he also claimed that Misty passed. Did Grace have this confirmed, (besides by his mother), because she seems confidant. I don't know much about those things, but I would guess that certain drugs or a lot of drugs could alter the resilts. Now that they are all supposedly drug free, I'd like to see them retested. Tommy claims he wants to take one, & has even offered to pay, but his wife can barely scrape enough money together for gas, so I'm not believing him. big talk.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think the only people who haven't been accused of having something to do with Haleigh's disappearance is Misty's mom and dad. Everyone else in both families have been accused up to this date. I doubt if all of them are involved in her disappearance but people are just pointing fingers at everyone and anyone.

It could be that no one in jail had anything to do with Haleigh's missing. We don't know. Misty might know something that she doesn't know that she knows if she was really messed up that night. Maybe she is telling the truth and she doesn't know anything. Ron was at work and LE have cleared him but some people still are determined he was involved. I would think LE knows more then we do about this case.

I don't think anyone is going to talk. Lying to them won't work because it will come out on tapes when they talk to relatives and the relatives listen to Nancy. I don't think even Misty sounds so desperate to get out of jail now. They all seem to be adjusting ok. Sounds like Misty's mom and dad both have court dates here soon and might also end up in jail.

 

[dodie20]

Cops lie all of the time & it DOES work. All they have to say is 'your buddy just told us everything, & he said you did it'. That's usually enough to get the ball rolling. As for visitation... they don't get it every day, so LE could just plant their stories in the days before. & they could say the phone was out of order. Also, they could use another inmate to start a rumor-just put a little bug in his ear. word would get back.

 

[Baxter]

& speaking of lie detectors, the only sources I remember claiming that Ron had passed, are Nancy Grace & Ron, himself-but he also claimed that Misty passed. Did Grace have this confirmed, (besides by his mother), because she seems confidant. I don't know much about those things, but I would guess that certain drugs or a lot of drugs could alter the resilts. Now that they are all supposedly drug free, I'd like to see them retested. Tommy claims he wants to take one, & has even offered to pay, but his wife can barely scrape enough money together for gas, so I'm not believing him. big talk.

No, Nancy just took Ronald's word for it. LE would not confirm any results, NG is no exception. You have to remember, she has a soft spot for RC and he can do no wrong.

 

[cluciano63]

No, Nancy just took Ronald's word for it. LE would not confirm any results, NG is no exception. You have to remember, she has a soft spot for RC and he can do no wrong.

as much as i dislike NG, i do think she just strings RC along in to order to be able to get him on the show...she needs to keep him thinking she believes him...but i could be wrong...

 

[Natal]

Didn't the Bush administration determine that waterboarding is an acceptable interogation technique? Perhaps they could try that since nothing else appears to be generating the desired results.

 

[Natal]

as much as i dislike NG, i do think she just strings RC along in to order to be able to get him on the show...she needs to keep him thinking she believes him...but i could be wrong...

No, on one of her shows after he was arrested she pretty much confessed that she had a soft spot for him even though he got busted. I don't think she is being objective in this case, she is pro-Ron and anti-Misty. But, I do think that her faith in him has been shaken a little as a result of the drug bust.

 

[kaRN]

I'm wondering if it might be possible to create legislation, that could be used to send Misty and Ron away for life without a body or significant evidence of foul play.
They haven't been named as POI and they'll both be safely tucked away in jail while the bill passes.
Show them a draft of the proposed legislation now though and hold that over them as a threat.
I think population might be in order too. They want it so bad, give it to em. Later when they're begging for protection, make talking a requirement.

 

[yosande]

I think what should be done is to go back to the beginning, and look at the info that comes out right before a new flood of disinformation comes out. I think the focus in another direction that only brings confusion into the case should be listed across from what came out right before. That infomation perhaps only mentioned once and then hidden under the mountain of mud could lead to what really happened to HaLeigh, and who the responsible peeps who knew what happened and covered it up, and also the one/s directly involved.
But that would take a lot of work.
I'm willing to give it a go, and have been spending some time in the parking lot.
moo