What do you think of the bag of bones and toys?

[maconrich]

I went with I'm not sure what to think and can expand that to include pretty much everything that's happened since TES started searching again Saturday.

Out of all this the things I'm somewhat sure of include:
the bag wasn't planted
with the attitude and limited attention span of LE yesterday it's probably as safe to believe it was connected to Caylee as not
That Tim Miller has a good heart and is a good man. But he's not the solution to all problems and his comments to the media would have been better left unsaid.
That there are some rude comments in this thread and no KoldKase you weren't the one making them.
That I'm not going to tell Shaz what he/she should appreciate, although I *personally* do appreciate LP staying behind - as well as the wonderful divers who are taking their time and using their resources, effort and energy to swim with the gators trying to find Caylee.
That a "real search team" in my opinion means people who are actively searching instead of sitting on their duffs or giving searchers a hard time. And I don't much care if they strut or not while they look for Caylee - because fact is they're out there looking. LE isn't, the FBI isn't, Miller isn't and I could keep going because there are a lot more isn'ts out there.
That Turbo is powered for sure and downright awesome.
And I'm sure that the fighting needs to stop and people need to take a step back and remember what's really important here.

My thoughts and prayers continue for those who are searching for Caylee...

 

[kgeaux]

Well, I'm not sure what to BELIEVE, but what I **Think** is that all the items retrieved from and with the bag should at least be checked to determine if there is any evidence of decomp on them. What occurs to me is that these toys sound like the kind of thing that might accumulate in a car that frequently has a young child as a passenger -- Happy Meal toys, little stuff to keep a child occupied. Many children aged 2 - 3 are fine with small toys that technically are for older age groups because of their size. My son didn't put things in his mouth, for example, so I was able to allow him to play with small toys at an early age.

And if the bones are Bones and were not rocks, then even chicken bones might have been in Casey's car.

If in fact there was a shamrock charm, that would make me feel even more sure that the items at least should be checked closely and thoroughly to rule them in or out. A shamrock charm, and if the cross on the tree in fact does have beads that match beads Casey is known to have owned, are enough reason to me to check the area well.

As far as sonar, I don't know anything about it except what I've seen on deep-sea search programs, but I suspect that their sensitivity lies more along the lines of basic shapes, outlines and sizes and less along the lines of fine details such as those that bones and toys would produce. If I'm right, then TM's sidescan sonar search likely was looking for something the size and shape of a suitcase, duffel bag, plastic storage container, etc. A thin plastic garbage bag buried under silt and containing small objects wouldn't show up looking like anything much, seems to me.

Not to worry about the shamrock. It wasn't a charm, it wasn't a shamrock.

The fact that police knew in advance that Caylee was not there, told Leonard that and were so quick to rule out the finds as credible evidence tells me that LE knows something about where Caylee is.....and it isn't in the river.

Casey Anthony doesn't have a whole lot of admirers, and if LE thought there was another piece of evidence to add to their pile, they'd have gratefully accepted it. They WANT this woman convicted. If they say it's not credible, I believe them.

I know what I saw the diver holding up for the cameras was NOT a bag of toys that would have been appropriate in any way for a 2 1/2 year old child.

 

[Amster]

I think LE is convinced that Caylee is under piles of garbage at the dump.

I think the divers and LP really did think they found Caylee....someone covered up what they thought were her remains with a white blanket.....

 

[catnron]

If TEs searched the river with ultra vision ( not sure the right word) and he saw tires & etc, why did he not see the bag with the toys in it? Bag was either planted there or the vision thing does not show up bags. Isn't a bag what they are searching for also?

 

[passionflower]

According to the diver there was concrete or something heavy on the blackbag?
and he tried not to break it bringing it up? Is part of it still there? Did I hear him right?
He was able to bring up 2 red bricks (with bones...toes and fingers? or stones in them),bag of toys? sonar might only show the bricks?

 

[Pink Panther]

If they don't turn out to be relevant, then they are one of many hundreds of typical finds that occur during a similar type of search. I don't understand why there is the expectation that anything that LP pulls up automatically has to be relevant or planted???

 

[insatiable]

Would TM's sonar show bones? If so, why did they not see the animal bones? I say animal bones because that is now what is being reported that was found yesterday....first rocks, then sticks, now animal bones? So would sonar show them? And would who ever was looking at the sonar be able to tell if they were animal or human?
Even if they weren't animal bones in the bag....there must be some animal bones in that river that the sonar would have picked up if it can indeed see bones. And if sonar cant pick up bones why use this sonar at all?????

 

[Forensic fan]

I know what I saw the diver holding up for the cameras was NOT a bag of toys that would have been appropriate in any way for a 2 1/2 year old child.

That would be true if the child's mother was normal. She probably wouldn't care if Caylee choked to death on a toy. Maybe she did.

 

[concentric]

Would TM's sonar show bones? If so, why did they not see the animal bones? I say animal bones because that is now what is being reported that was found yesterday....first rocks, then sticks, now animal bones? So would sonar show them? And would who ever was looking at the sonar be able to tell if they were animal or human?
Even if they weren't animal bones in the bag....there must be some animal bones in that river that the sonar would have picked up if it can indeed see bones. And if sonar cant pick up bones why use this sonar at all?????

For real. I asked much the same thing, maybe on another thread.
Also, I think they were chicken bones and meal toys. Maybe an adult got chicken and the kids or whoever got kids' meals. Didn't want the toys. Whatever.

Homeless person, dumpster diving, threw the bag in the river?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Again, why would a person go to the trouble of weighing down a bag and tossing it into the river instead of putting it into a trash can which are placed all over that park? Makes no sense.

It also makes no sense that Nieves said in the presser, "NO bones were found." and today they were animal bone fragments. Go figure!

 

[Clock's Tickin]

the sonar shows solid objects in the water-does it show solid objects buried in the silt? Or would something small and partially under the silt just show as a lump o sumpthin?? TM said he could grid out every tire and wheelbarrow in that river, but those are large solid objects that would surely protrude above the mudline.....

 

[insatiable]

For real. I asked much the same thing, maybe on another thread.
Also, I think they were chicken bones and meal toys. Maybe an adult got chicken and the kids or whoever got kids' meals. Didn't want the toys. Whatever.

Homeless person, dumpster diving, threw the bag in the river?

Someone throwing trash in the river is believable....even though it would be a sucky thing for them to do since there are probably waste baskets all around that park.
I can't buy into the chicken bone/kid meal toy thing though. First because I can't believe the diver or anyone else who saw the bones (if that's what they are) would mistake a chicken bone for a bone of a 3 year old girl. The size is way off. And I don't think what was in that bag was kids meal toys....there were beads in that bag. Most places that give out meal toys give out ones that don't have small things like beads that small children could choke on.
It's driving me nuts trying to figure out why LE would take something like rocks, sticks, animal bones as found property. It is driving me equally as nuts that TM blew off that river after doing sonar that didn't show animal bones if thats what was found....and if it did show animal bones how did he know thats what they were by looking at the sonar? He said he knows where tires and wheel barrels are because of the sonar but can it show bones in silt?

 

[insatiable]

Murt is now saying there was a metal, cheap tin or steel shamrock/leaf type thing the size of a thumbnail AND what was thought to be gumby but turned out to be a yellow teenage mutant ninja toy that was broken in the face and wearing a diaper???. He says he did see a shamrock. OCSD took the evidence.


I'm so confused....everyone has a different story. I haven't heard two people who saw these things identify them as the same thing.

 

[concentric]

If they don't turn out to be relevant, then they are one of many hundreds of typical finds that occur during a similar type of search. I don't understand why there is the expectation that anything that LP pulls up automatically has to be relevant or planted???

:clap:

 

[concentric]

Someone throwing trash in the river is believable....even though it would be a sucky thing for them to do since there are probably waste baskets all around that park.
I can't buy into the chicken bone/kid meal toy thing though. First because I can't believe the diver or anyone else who saw the bones (if that's what they are) would mistake a chicken bone for a bone of a 3 year old girl. The size is way off. And I don't think what was in that bag was kids meal toys....there were beads in that bag. Most places that give out meal toys give out ones that don't have small things like beads that small children could choke on.
It's driving me nuts trying to figure out why LE would take something like rocks, sticks, animal bones as found property. It is driving me equally as nuts that TM blew off that river after doing sonar that didn't show animal bones if thats what was found....and if it did show animal bones how did he know thats what they were by looking at the sonar? He said he knows where tires and wheel barrels are because of the sonar but can it show bones in silt?

Some child could have left that stuff in the park and the park attendant threw it in the receptacle. Someone who was looking for food could have picked up the entire bag, with bricks (because, maybe, they used bricks to weigh down the bags for garbage), took the entire thing, scavanged what was relevant and then threw it into the river. What is so difficult to believe about that scenario?

 

[concentric]

While I admire the work the teams are doing searching for Caylee, c'mon, every little thing found does not have to have relevance to this case. Some people throw trash wherever and whenever they feel like it; they do not care, either. Those people don't have a conscience about what they do.

 

[shelbar53]

Is it safe to assume that the bag of toys and "bones" can be discounted? LE things they have nothing to do with the case.

 

[LI_Mom]

We're looking for a baby who was dumped by her own mother & arguing over why someone would throw garbage into a lake????


The diver said they dug into the lake bottom to lift out & then sift through to see if anything was in that area. Inch by inch, they did this by the sense of touch only.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Is it safe to assume that the bag of toys and "bones" can be discounted? LE things they have nothing to do with the case.

Not in my opinion. Too many conflicting reports. Something strange is going on.

 

[txmama]

I don't know what to think about that bag. My gut instinct is that it isn't her. However, I think that if it WAS her, LE isn't going to release any information about it until they are 100% sure. They might have already found her and are keeping it quiet while waiting for test results. We just don't know and we won't know until LE is ready to let us know.