What Is the Defense Strategy #2

[mitzi]

IMO, she is not going to get the death penalty. I bet there will be at least one person on the jury who says this is not all her fault, where was Cindy when this lying and stealing started. Everyone knows we have to teach our children and not let them get away with things or they end up doing whatever they want. Cindy bears some responsibility for this. LWOP or less. I think it will be lwop because it is premeditated.

And personally, I feell this is true. There was a total failure of parenting with Cindy and George and they overlooked incredible things to the point where KC felt I can say and do anything and every idiot I meet believes me. Until she had to deal with reality and that was LE. Then the real quesitons got asked but everytime she met up with her parents at the jail interviews, she reverted back to her nonstop lying and Cindy and George and Lee went right along and it just empowered her to continue.

Anyway...

Bold mine.

One thing though...if KC is found guilty, they only need a majority of the jury to set the death penalty, so there can be 5 members of the jury that say LWOP and 7 who say death, and so death it is. Now, HHJP can totally change whatever punishment the jury decides, but I doubt that he would.

 

[katydid23]

Everyone always forgets that the 31 days mean nothing if KC knew Caylee was somewhere safe. If I left my kid with my brother, mom, or trusted friend, and I was 22, I might be partying too for 31 days.

The DT has to start with: if KC didn't do it, how did Caylee get out of her hands and into the hands of another and who was the other??

The 31 days comes after that.

However, if you left your kid with your trusted family member or friend, would you make up an entire fantasy about a non-existent nanny and tell people that is where your child is?
Why make up a total web of outlandish lies and tell everyone, including the people searching for your child, a bunch of rubbish to throw them off track?

If you knew your child was somewhere safe then why the deceit?

And the '31 days' starts on day one. Right there at Blockbuster Tony probably asked where Caylee was staying that night. Her lies began on day ONE.

We all know that Caylee was NOT with a trusted family member on the night of June 16th. All of her friends, family and acquaintances have already been questioned about that entire month. Caylee was not with any of them.

And her numerous phone calls, texts, emails and myspace messages have all been scoured/ There is no one she communicated with that has not been accounted for already.

And there was not ONE call or message to anyone to check on a child.

 

[Intermezzo]

I have a suspicion that on Monday morning, bright and early, we may see a bit of a change of expression on the face of one Missie ICA - because by then she will be sure to have heard our "good news".

I also wonder if CA will be on her very best behavior knowing no decision has yet been given in the request for an exception to excluded from the courtroom until both she and George have testified fully. CA will also know by then that the SA has requested transcripts of their depositions.

Wonder if the penny has dropped for either of them yet....:waitasec: - It's gonna be an interesting day!

bbm
Your suspicion turned out to be true LG!!!!
Yup, we did see a bit of a change of expression on her face today,

 

[Ricki]

I really don't know what the defense is. What I do know that everything leading to this trial is beginning to disgust me and I am afraid when it starts I will be more disgusted . The DT should all be ashamed of themselves. This is such a train wreck. A beautiful baby girl has died and this seems to be all about them. Does the DT want to be famous for creating mass confusion where ever this trial might end up? I do believe there will be mass confusion. Do they really want to be known as the shadiest lawyers around? They have absolutely no morals and no respect. Like ICA (and in my opinion they are thinking about themselves and what this may bring them. Sorry for this rant but I just don't trust this aggravating DT at all and I want Justice for Caylee so bad. Gotta go now and take deep breaths.

 

[Whisperer]

If the State is smart, they will hold off as long as possible regarding any testimony from the Anthonys. That way they can't get in and get on camera. I don't see this as a long trial. Baez will present his entire case during cross-examination.

There is no defense. I imagine they will do everything within their power to bring about a mistrial.

 

[Tulessa]

Everyone always forgets that the 31 days mean nothing if KC knew Caylee was somewhere safe. If I left my kid with my brother, mom, or trusted friend, and I was 22, I might be partying too for 31 days.

The DT has to start with: if KC didn't do it, how did Caylee get out of her hands and into the hands of another and who was the other??

The 31 days comes after that.

With ALL due respect. :blowkiss:

We have forgotten NOTHING!! Why the lies?
Why avoid the family?
WHY oh WHY did the evidence point to a decompositional event taking place in ICA's car?
Why the dogs alerting on the A's property?
Why was a tiny body found just yards away from the A's home?
The 31 days means EVERYTHING in this case. IMO that will be the nail in the coffin.

 

[Whisperer]

I believe your right. I think she will take the stand, Joses' aha aha moment. I read on IS board a very good post by SteelyDan, about Casey taking the stand, admitting it was an accident, even covered the duct tape issue. Has me very concerned. Could get her a lesser sentence, and wouldn't that be a win for Jose. And then there is the jury consultant that has me worried as well. moo

:seeya: Don't forget the State will cross-examine her and put a fork in her when they are through.

Don't be concerned. It is too late for her to pull "It was an accident". That ship has sailed. She had two years to tell that story. She chose not to. She is rolling the dice and hoping for a jackpot. The game she has played her entire life....take it all the way to the limit and play it for all its worth. She is a piece of work, that girl!

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

However, if you left your kid with your trusted family member or friend, would you make up an entire fantasy about a non-existent nanny and tell people that is where your child is?
Why make up a total web of outlandish lies and tell everyone, including the people searching for your child, a bunch of rubbish to throw them off track?

If you knew your child was somewhere safe then why the deceit?

And the '31 days' starts on day one. Right there at Blockbuster Tony probably asked where Caylee was staying that night. Her lies began on day ONE.

We all know that Caylee was NOT with a trusted family member on the night of June 16th. All of her friends, family and acquaintances have already been questioned about that entire month. Caylee was not with any of them.

And her numerous phone calls, texts, emails and myspace messages have all been scoured/ There is no one she communicated with that has not been accounted for already.

And there was not ONE call or message to anyone to check on a child.

Right. She is as guilty as he%%, and I do not need to be convinced, lol.

I think maybe my post was confusing, so I will try again.

The defense has to start on the day GA last saw Caylee and go from there. The first and most important thing the DT has to explain is how did Caylee get out of KC's hands.

If KC had the child with her on the afternoon of the 16th, and some other person murdered Caylee, then how, where and when did that other person physically get custody of the baby?

By saying the most important thing is the 31 days, we are kind of really saying that something bad happened to Caylee, it wasn't KC's fault, however waiting 31 days to report it looks suspicious.

So, JB is fighting to explain the infamous 31 days when he really needs to be explaining how Caylee ended up not being with KC in the first place.

The 31 days is a moot point if she has an explanation for who took the child away from her on day one. Or, on the flip-side, the 31 days is a moot point if KC killed Caylee on day one.

We are acting as though the waiting of the month was the most mysterious part of this whole thing when it is not. Either KC killed her and was happy about it, OR someone else took the baby from her (or was given the baby by KC). Either scenario would fully explain the 31 days.

No one gets down to stating the obvious: The DT has to explain, if they are gong to go with a SODDI defense, how someone else could possibly get the child physically away from KC on June 16th. All other questions will be answered from there.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

With ALL due respect. :blowkiss:

We have forgotten NOTHING!! Why the lies?
Why avoid the family?
WHY oh WHY did the evidence point to a decompositional event taking place in ICA's car?
Why the dogs alerting on the A's property?
Why was a tiny body found just yards away from the A's home?
The 31 days means EVERYTHING in this case. IMO that will be the nail in the coffin.

Hi Tulessa - :seeya:

Oh,no no no no - Somehow I am coming off as being pro-KC. Oh, my gosh, my stomach is ill just thinking about that...

Pleas read my post somewhere immediately above this post to clarify what I was trying to say in my first, and sadly misunderstood, post.

 

[Aedrys]

The DT does have a mountain to climb. One thing I am wondering about is CM comfoting ICA yesterday. I know that he was probably comforting her, or my darker side thinks it might be a cue, but most likely it was comfort. However, if they're going to go with sexual abuse from the GA and LA, then CM shouldn't be comforting her. In fact, she shouldn't be comfortable with an older man comforting her if she was so traumatized from sexual abuse from two family members, one an older man. This tells me, especially if CM comforts her at all during the trial, that they are not going sexual abuse from GA and LA. It would be hypocritical to claim that, but then touch her and comfort her in front of the jury, showing just how not traumatized she is. If that sexual abuse happened, she wouldn't be comfortable with men touching and comforting her, massaging her even, if her father and brother abused her. It's just more evidence that the sexual abuse never happened.

I think they might go with physical or maybe emotional abuse instead. They are going to show how angry George was, and try to show that she was scared of him somehow. It probably won't work either, but it has a better chance of working than the sexual abuse.

 

[Solace]

The DT does have a mountain to climb. One thing I am wondering about is CM comfoting ICA yesterday. I know that he was probably comforting her, or my darker side thinks it might be a cue, but most likely it was comfort. However, if they're going to go with sexual abuse from the GA and LA, then CM shouldn't be comforting her. In fact, she shouldn't be comfortable with an older man comforting her if she was so traumatized from sexual abuse from two family members, one an older man. This tells me, especially if CM comforts her at all during the trial, that they are not going sexual abuse from GA and LA. It would be hypocritical to claim that, but then touch her and comfort her in front of the jury, showing just how not traumatized she is. If that sexual abuse happened, she wouldn't be comfortable with men touching and comforting her, massaging her even, if her father and brother abused her. It's just more evidence that the sexual abuse never happened.

I think they might go with physical or maybe emotional abuse instead. They are going to show how angry George was, and try to show that she was scared of him somehow. It probably won't work either, but it has a better chance of working than the sexual abuse.

Excellent point Aedrys, and I did not think of that. Excellent point.

I remember when George Bush signed the Elizabeth Smart law and when he was finished, he got up and just walked off stage (very somber looking) and I thought it was fantastic that he did not go up and hug her or anything of that nature and obviously he knew that would be inappropriate and very hard for her to deal with.

 

[Solace]

Bold mine.

One thing though...if KC is found guilty, they only need a majority of the jury to set the death penalty, so there can be 5 members of the jury that say LWOP and 7 who say death, and so death it is. Now, HHJP can totally change whatever punishment the jury decides, but I doubt that he would.

Oh, I did not know that. Gets more ominus every day for her. Watched Schaeffer last night and his opinion on KC's crying in court and he thought the reality of the magnitude of the penalty for this crime is setting in and the trial is Just Around the Corner. He also said that whenever she cries, it is always about KC; he said he has never noticed her crying about Caylee, the mother, the father or her brother. It is always about something that has to do with her.

And he is right. Even when she cried at the 911 when her brother said I love you - the tears were real, but it was about her. I have never seen her cry the "cry" when it comes to Caylee. When Ashton talked about it a while back, KC cried but it was obvious that it was not real.

I remember when she high fived her brother when they were at the jail - think they were leaving - and I though you care nothing about this child. Things have changed dramatically.

I think she thought she could continue to lie to the world as she had been doing with her parents for the last few years - just outrageous lies - and could get away with it. Cindy let this happen, IMO.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Right. She is as guilty as he%%, and I do not need to be convinced, lol.

I think maybe my post was confusing, so I will try again.

The defense has to start on the day GA last saw Caylee and go from there. The first and most important thing the DT has to explain is how did Caylee get out of KC's hands.

If KC had the child with her on the afternoon of the 16th, and some other person murdered Caylee, then how, where and when did that other person physically get custody of the baby?

By saying the most important thing is the 31 days, we are kind of really saying that something bad happened to Caylee, it wasn't KC's fault, however waiting 31 days to report it looks suspicious.

So, JB is fighting to explain the infamous 31 days when he really needs to be explaining how Caylee ended up not being with KC in the first place.

The 31 days is a moot point if she has an explanation for who took the child away from her on day one. Or, on the flip-side, the 31 days is a moot point if KC killed Caylee on day one.

We are acting as though the waiting of the month was the most mysterious part of this whole thing when it is not. Either KC killed her and was happy about it, OR someone else took the baby from her (or was given the baby by KC). Either scenario would fully explain the 31 days.

No one gets down to stating the obvious: The DT has to explain, if they are gong to go with a SODDI defense, how someone else could possibly get the child physically away from KC on June 16th. All other questions will be answered from there.

True but the person she said she left Caylee with doesn't exist. She also claims she left her at the stairway in #210 Sawgrass apartments had been empty for 142 days..so, she's got a few hurdles to get past. I don't see how in the first minute of Baez opening statement for his CIC he will tell of the whys of the 31 days and claims it will be put to rest! Very doubtful for it will raise many more questions in the heads of those jurors...She might want to try for a bench trial and just go with His Honor as her jury...I still believe the defense still doesn't have a strategy planned out...seems they will take it as it comes...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Tulessa]

Hi Tulessa - :seeya:

Oh,no no no no - Somehow I am coming off as being pro-KC. Oh, my gosh, my stomach is ill just thinking about that...

Pleas read my post somewhere immediately above this post to clarify what I was trying to say in my first, and sadly misunderstood, post.

Yep. My bad. I misread your statement.:giggle:

Thanks for the clarification.:blowkiss:

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

True but the person she said she left Caylee with doesn't exist. She also claims she left her at the stairway in #210 Sawgrass apartments had been empty for 142 days..so, she's got a few hurdles to get past. I don't see how in the first minute of Baez opening statement for his CIC he will tell of the whys of the 31 days and claims it will be put to rest! Very doubtful for it will raise many more questions in the heads of those jurors...She might want to try for a bench trial and just go with His Honor as her jury...I still believe the defense still doesn't have a strategy planned out...seems they will take it as it comes...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

A bench trial would be GREAT!!! I have no doubts whatsoever His Honor would do the right thing!! Is that really an option at this point?? Then we wouldn't have to worry about a jury and whether or not any of the 12 people would be willing to drink the Koolaide!!

 

[jerseygirl48]

CM reportedly said the big A word today ... ACCIDENT ... on InSession. Hoping someone uploads the video.

It all fits -- they've been telling anyone who would listen that Dr G can't say how Caylee died. It was clearly authorized for LKB to make the "she lied" pronouncement about the nanny. An accident is their only chance IMO ... convince the jury that she was ashamed and too scared to tell mommy and daddy. Had the shrinks been able to testify about ugly coping, it would have been even better .... good thing that got thwarted!

I think JB is hoping for one of those compromise verdicts he spoke about in the long InSession interview. If he can convince just a few that it MIGHT have been an accident, the jury might compromise on a lesser charge and she could end up with 15 years or something. With a 15% reduction (is that what Florida allows??) and time served, she could be out in less than 10 years ... at the ripe old age of 35.

Another interesting tidbit from today. I posted on the first "Defense Strategy" thread that I wouldn't be surprised to see a tearful confession of the "accident" to mommy and daddy just before the trial. I think most people scoffed .. and that's okay! Today there is news that G&C are requesting a visit. Could the DT have put them up to the visit ?????? Hmmmmmmmm!

 

[Ricki]

So, if by chance the DT put forth a accident that snowballed out of control. Who helped with the disposal of the body? Who placed the duct tape? Who put Caylee in the trunk? Who wrapped her in garbage backs and tossed her in the woods and how could you do that to a loved one? What kind of family would even go for something like that scenario except for a very evil one. Will they say the whole family knew and was in on it? I just can't see the DT explaining any of this in any sort of believable way.

 

[MaryAnn]

So, if by chance the DT put forth a accident that snowballed out of control. Who helped with the disposal of the body? Who placed the duct tape? Who put Caylee in the trunk? Who wrapped her in garbage backs and tossed her in the woods and how could you do that to a loved on? What kind of family would even go for something like that scenario except for a very evil one. Will they say the whole family knew and was in on it? I just can't see the DT explaining any of this in any sort of believable way.

Great post. They don't have a defense. Every defense idea comes to a dead end. :great:

 

[LambChop]

31 days after the accident KC did not look, act or behave as if she were upset over the loss of her daughter from an accident. My guess is the jurors will not buy it and might resent the fact that KC thinks that they would. jmo

 

[jerseygirl48]

So, if by chance the DT put forth a accident that snowballed out of control. Who helped with the disposal of the body? Who placed the duct tape? Who put Caylee in the trunk? Who wrapped her in garbage backs and tossed her in the woods and how could you do that to a loved one? What kind of family would even go for something like that scenario except for a very evil one. Will they say the whole family knew and was in on it? I just can't see the DT explaining any of this in any sort of believable way.

I think they'll say she put the tape on, wrapped her in garbage backs, tossed her in the woods to make it look like a kidnapping because she was so afraid of G&C ... and that the "partying like it's 1999" was ugly coping / an effort to block it all out.

I think they are very evil -- all of them ... although GA appears to show occasional pangs of guilt for going along.

I hope more than anything that the jury sees through it -- I'm trying to think like JB (very scary!) and just contributing my best guess of their strategy.

With all the evidence that's been allowed in, they may even have to concede that Caylee was in the trunk -- but you can be sure it will be said that it was because ICA couldn't bear to part with her.